Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #15

[ayrshireguy]

Poor Nicola’s case is so odd, nearly every interaction with anyone involved seems a bit odd. JMO
Maybe it’s like a region behavioural thing, like accents, that I just don’t get.
Is all so odd.
Feels like you can make excuses for all the oddness but there’s just loads of it. I don’t know what’s going on!

Every day there is another layer of confusion added to this case.

 

[JennieM]

is that from Emma White? ( Long time friend of Dan Walker C5?)

Unnamed friend in Daily Mail link.

 

[cottonweaver]

Unnamed friend in Daily Mail link.

ah! makes sense

 

[infinit]

UK newspapers do not report on anyone’s medical issues as per the IPSO rules. Similar rules have been in place since 1992. The only exceptions are with the permission of the subject or if they are selling their medical story, as celebs often do to raise awareness or give the interview fee to charity.
UK newspapers do not photograph children without parental permission, whether the kids of a prince or plumber, which is why children faces get pixelated from, say, Facebook posts. The IPSO rules are worth a read. The reporting of Nicola has been of her struggles with alcohol, not necking bottles, and reported sensitively. The police press conference made the drink/menopause able to be reported.

Great point, I hadn't realised that. It's my understanding the IPSO only covers newspapers and magazines? I wonder if it was someone outside the scope.

 

[cottonweaver]

Even if they did consult the family at a later stage that day and got their approval, this is a family in utter turmoil.

The family cannot be expected to make the correct decisions in terms of investigation process / publicity / outcomes.

So perhaps it was in the family's wishes that this information was released but Nicola's family is putting their blind faith and following advice.

Sure
I was focused on why the U turn in that post & Smith's statement, more than the family.

 

[JennieM]

ah! makes sense

Also unnamed in Mirror original article.

A friend of the family, who has asked to remain anonymous, told the Mirror of their anger and says this doesn't help the investigation.

Nicola Bulley's pal says cops shared alcohol struggles to 'shift focus' off them

Missing mum-of-two Nicola Bulley, 45, was last seen on January 27 while walking her springer spaniel Willow in the village of St Michael's on the Wyre in Lancashire

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[onthecounter]

I get that but what the bloke says runs counter to everything LP have said about this time period. And how long did this chap and/or Penny stay by the bench. Did one of them stay until Paul turned up?

Thanks. I’m going to look at the discrepancies now. Definitely worthy of analysis, presumably NB was very close by at this point due to the timeframe.

 

[JennieM]

Dame Vera Baird, the former victims' commissioner for England and Wales, told BBC Radio 4's Today Lancashire Police had been subject to "heavy, and in my view, totally justified criticism".

"If it was relevant, it needed to be in a public domain at the start, and it wasn't," she said.

Police to face questions over Nicola Bulley disclosures

The information commissioner will ask the Lancashire force why it disclosed personal information.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Agatha3]

Great point, I hadn't realised that. It's my understanding the IPSO only covers newspapers and magazines? I wonder if it was someone outside the scope.

Well the newspapers could have been making inquiries which reached police and family, but that does not mean they would publish. They will be gathering all sorts and may know of something that might be coming up in the public domain.

 

[pineapple23]

I wondered if he gave them permission to film him after I saw them block him twice when he tried to walk past. They wouldn't let him walk past the first time and then blocked him again as he tried to leave.

At first I thought it was prearranged but he seemed reluctant and said he had given a statement to police. Maybe they expected to meet him if they knew his routine.

 

[Firstsnow4]

As I said before, unfortunately with this disclosure they have overexposed her massively. If the events of 10 Jan did cause her walking away from her family, I have no idea how she will find the strength to return to her family with her most private and inner information made public. If you are troubled and you walk away, how will any of this help? I would want the earth to open up and swallow me. How do they really expect her to return and lead a normal life? It's been made impossible for her. If she is alive, I wish her strength, and the most important thing is to find the power to come back for her two girls. One step at a time.

I 100% agree!

 

[ayrshireguy]

At first I thought it was prearranged but he seemed reluctant and said he had given a statement to police. Maybe they expected to meet him if they knew his routine.

Sky News has done this before IIRC. They try to catch people out.

 

[Sherl]

If this is something she did regularly she could have just gone through the motion, like dropping children to school or joining that call. Or, she could have viewed it as one last parenting act? If her mental health was suffering not every action will be completely rational.

Yes I see and agree the mind of someone suicidal isn't something we can necessarily rationalise.
If we discover she did purposely walk into that river then the repercussions on how we view and treat menopause will be massive.

Will be interesting to see the police's reasoning for releasing the information.

 

[cottonweaver]

Mark Williams Thomas the ex detective claims to have contacted the police saying he had information about the previous police attendance at NB's home and that it was this that prompted them to go public about her vulnerability. Sorry if already posted.

Investigator says cops in Nicola Bulley probe committed 'failings'

In a scathing attack Mark Williams-Thomas rounded on Lancashire Police's handling of the probe into the mystery of what happened to the young mother while out walking her dog three weeks ago.

www.dailymail.co.uk

and there's me wondering if I was jumping to conclusions yesterday!

'Williams Thomas said Lancashire Police only revealed details of Nicola's vulnerability after he told them he had information about police having being called to her home just weeks before she went missing'

So he got hold of the Jan 10th arrest details - from somebody ( A leak from LP? or perhaps from the sort of person who was planning to go to the media with a story - family statement yesterday about ' threatening to sell stories)

U turn within the 6 hours. if that's the reason they U turned, stupid of LP top brass to succumb to media pressure.

 

[Interested_But_Confused]

Do we know where the gentleman who was interviewed this morning entered onto the path? Was it from Blackpool Ln/Garstang Rd or from the caravan park/Allotment Ln?

The reason I ask is because at approx. 9.30am the caravan park owner AND the gentleman were walking on the towpath towards the gate and bench, and obviously neither of them saw NB walking along the path. If the gentleman had entered the path on Blackpool Ln it would make it that much more difficult for NB to have left that way without being seen.

 

[cottonweaver]

new links to commentary . ( WEP are a registered party in UK)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1626488702745583616

Lawyer gives his opinion but concedes that a court would consider was the release proportionate or justified for policing operations , ( it would be for court to judge whether it was unlawful or whether it was a misuse of private info)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1626481955331051520

former politician and presenter Ed Balls interviews Nusrit Mehtab ( also discussing the point I was posting about, why did Sally Riley say that at press conference on Feb 3rd? could state of mind/health have been minimised at early stage?) Also in contrast to what Mehtab says, LP did not label menopause itself as a ' specific vulnerability' afaik

https://twitter.com/x/status/1626486278752555008

https://twitter.com/GMB/status/1626487339848552448?s=20

presenter ( sorry don't know her name) asks a sensible question imo, about the disproportionate level of attention vs number of people who are still missing and go missing every day

Interesting that Sky's Kay Burley is actually in St Michael's this morning

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1626495480917000193?s=20

bumping, just for the legal opinion included & extra new ' links'

 

[MsBetsy]

It was a set up interview - there is no way they'd just happen to bump into one of the witnesses and in fact the male reporter actually states that they'd had a conversation previously.

Anyway the BBM bits are now raising my confusion levels.

9:33 witness Penny rang the blokes wife??? Why was his wife trying to ring him? What things were happening?? They looked at the phone wallpaper and knew who it belonged too? Did they both stay there until Paul arrived? Or just him? Or neither? Who contacted the school?

Maybe he's just very unreliable which is why LP haven't mentioned him at all.

I doubt the witness is unreliable or police would not have included his information in determining the time frame.

 

[pineapple23]

Local (to me) news. So they are still searching Cumbrian volunteer groups called in for Nicola Bulley search - cumbriacrack.com

 

[Cluella DeVille]

UK newspapers do not report on anyone’s medical issues as per the IPSO rules. Similar rules have been in place since 1992. The only exceptions are with the permission of the subject or if they are selling their medical story, as celebs often do to raise awareness or give the interview fee to charity.
UK newspapers do not photograph children without parental permission, whether the kids of a prince or plumber, which is why children faces get pixelated from, say, Facebook posts. The IPSO rules are worth a read. The reporting of Nicola has been of her struggles with alcohol, not necking bottles, and reported sensitively. The police press conference made the drink/menopause able to be reported.

I was responding to the thread of the conversation that it is not understood how the family / police making these statements has prevented or deterred anyone from selling stories....which was the underlying threat that led to the announcement in the first place, but correct me if I'm wrong?
Whoever these people are who would be willing or wanting to sell their stories, and goodness only knows what the content of those might be (which was my 'necking bottles' comment...not what I think of her personally but because that's how outrageously fabricated these things can get), it's the potential of what they could escalate into. Because people's stories then get embellished by the press, how many times do we hear people say 'that is not what I said at all' once their account gets published? In the previous WS #Thread 14 a member told of the photo in the next morning's paper being of NB basically partying holding a big glass of wine to the camera. That's not sensitive, that's enhancing and basically giving credit to the idea that she is a drinker. One might find the odd picture of me with a drink in hand but it's probably the only one I'll have had in a whole year. So a newspaper selecting that particular photo following an announcement by LE intimating NB has alcohol issues is a totally inappropriate one for my money

 

[abovethestorm]

BBM

This gentleman isn't the white fluffy dog man at 9:10 he is the man mentioned by the 9:33 witness as coming through the gate after her.

What is now very confusing is he states he recognised Willow and NB's phone - this is at 9:33 so why did nothing get reported until 10:50? [EDIT ignore this the quoted transcript is incorrect.]

Whilst I don't think these reporters behaved ethically (for goodness sake, they didn't even tell the chap he was on a LIVE broadcast, let alone ask his permission to broadcast him live to the watching world!), I do think his words shed some light, for which I'm personally grateful - I am glad to hear that Willow was NOT left alone, tied to a bench, at the very least, and we now know the reason for the very specific '09.33' timing. It sounds now like people were actively on-scene and trying to figure out who Willow belonged to right from the get-go, rather than how it previously sounded (IMO) i.e. that Willow was left at the bench and both 'the gent' and the original witness both went off and nobody was contacted to try and identify Willow's owners until after the OW's appointment, which caused a lot of incredulity amongst those of us following Nicola's story.

It does ADD to the confused accounts, though, as the original witness said that this very man ("the gent") "sees a phone on the floor". He's now telling reporters that he saw actually the phone *on the bench*. Yet again, as clear as mud...sigh...