Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #17

[Woodburnbay]

nice one, but PF statements are clear as mud!! often contradicting himself.
He may have helped the family but certainly not helped the LE communication problems and made it even worse

PF did the work as a marketing stunt and now it has backfired on him he probably won't get any more search work.

 

[Woodburnbay]

With such a big case like this you're going to get ex cops and ex detectives alongside people who are respected in various fields linked with something like this, giving their opinion. I don't understand why everyone is up in arms about it.
You will get interviewers who are interested in an interviewees take on things.
This isnt isolated with just this case, it happens them all.

Opportunist marketing and lazy journalism

 

[ayrshireguy]

With such a big case like this you're going to get ex cops and ex detectives alongside people who are respected in various fields linked with something like this, giving their opinion. I don't understand why everyone is up in arms about it.
You will get interviewers who are interested in an interviewees take on things.
This isnt isolated with just this case, it happens them all.

It's good to have people who have worked on similar cases giving people an understanding as to what is going on and explaining things when there is a lack of information released to the public. When you get the ex-police coming on and bashing an ongoing investigation that is when I switch off.

 

[vchk]

What I found odd at the time was he was giving his own independent press briefings. I am not sure if there was police press liaison with him or not but really they should have put a stop to it straight away (maybe they tried?)

He more than anyone drove the media frenzy because he was so available to the rolling news coverage, incredibly even acting as a defacto spokesman for the family at one point.

He stated she was not in the river and however he now tries to walk that back, people intepreted the comment in an obvious way - that was critical in the media losing patience with the investigation - suddenly we had an army of talking heads claiming the investigation was botched.

sigh

we have to blame the media for going to PF for commentary rather than obtaining the updates from reliable source/Police.
They were so desperate - so much they even contacted NB's family once the body has been found. Disgusting

 

[ayrshireguy]

What I found odd at the time was he was giving his own independent press briefings. I am not sure if there was police press liaison with him or not but really they should have put a stop to it straight away (maybe they tried?)

He more than anyone drove the media frenzy because he was so available to the rolling news coverage, incredibly even acting as a defacto spokesman for the family at one point.

He stated she was not in the river and however he now tries to walk that back, people intepreted the comment in an obvious way - that was critical in the media losing patience with the investigation - suddenly we had an army of talking heads claiming the investigation was botched.

sigh

He is now saying he is surprised that Nicola didn't travel further down river after saying that a body won't travel far.

 

[JennieM]

The carnival of hysteria over Nicola Bulley shows us the very worst of modern human nature​

Zoe Williams

Bulley’s family faced a cruel sleuthing free-for-all on social media. But it is a breakdown of trust between public and police that got us here

...

For Lancashire constabulary, however, being proven right will inspire no retrospective confidence in them – this entire sad period has spoken of a complete breakdown in trust between the public and the authorities, in this case the police.

Until relatively recently, everyone would have understood that during an active missing person investigation, official details would be scant, perhaps even deliberately misleading. If the police suspected no third party involvement, they still wouldn’t necessarily stick to a single hypothesis, still less announce it. If they did suspect a third party, they might not want to release details or theories that they could use later to establish culpability or force a confession. They would be mindful of the feelings of the family, and that would engender its own restraint and discretion. We would have had the social maturity to understand that, and curiosity would have been muted by empathy.

In the Bulley case, the opposite happened. Everything the police said with confidence led to a riot of speculation about all the other things they may not have considered. Everything the police left unsaid opened a vacuum, into which armchair detectives and keyboard warriors piled with conspiracies, speculation and fantasy.

The carnival of hysteria over Nicola Bulley shows us the very worst of modern human nature | Zoe Williams

Bulley’s family faced a cruel sleuthing free-for-all. But a breakdown of trust between public and police got us here, says Guardian columnist Zoe Williams

www.theguardian.com

 

[ayrshireguy]

PF did the work as a marketing stunt and now it has backfired on him he probably won't get any more search work.

He has got very lucrative contracts with a number of police forces. If I were him I would not wish to jeopardise that.

 

[brownbeef1975]

Some women do struggle with menopause. I don't believe many people are judgemental or misogynistic towards NB, given what was said. Its a health issue, same as addiction, and it needs to be framed as such. Its nobodies fault, and those who do struggle, need support from their partners, their employers, the health services and other people who have also suffered from similar symptoms. I think the information released about NB added potential context/backdrop to the situation, which may or may not have been useful overall, but it didn't paint NB as anything other than a loving mother, partner, daughter, worker, whatever. I think any woman out there who is struggling with this sort of thing, should be able to openly discuss with her employer, her partner, her children, and not be judged, because stuff happens, to all of us, and sometimes we need to feel we can share it, and that we're not alone. Its just my opinion, but I think a lot of employers have preferred not to address the struggles that some of their employees have with the menopause, because they perceive some sort of loss of labour, sick days, whatever. Disgraceful, in my opinion.

NB was a missing person when that information was released. It was private, medical and therefore confidential information. There's no other way to dress that up. Whether it was in the public interest to release it is utterly irrelevant for me - it was a breach. However, if the argument is to be made that it was, then I'd question on what basis the search for NB was aided by the release of that information. It was a disgusting breach of her private, medical information.

 

[vchk]

The carnival of hysteria over Nicola Bulley shows us the very worst of modern human nature​

Zoe Williams

Bulley’s family faced a cruel sleuthing free-for-all on social media. But it is a breakdown of trust between public and police that got us here

...

For Lancashire constabulary, however, being proven right will inspire no retrospective confidence in them – this entire sad period has spoken of a complete breakdown in trust between the public and the authorities, in this case the police.

Until relatively recently, everyone would have understood that during an active missing person investigation, official details would be scant, perhaps even deliberately misleading. If the police suspected no third party involvement, they still wouldn’t necessarily stick to a single hypothesis, still less announce it. If they did suspect a third party, they might not want to release details or theories that they could use later to establish culpability or force a confession. They would be mindful of the feelings of the family, and that would engender its own restraint and discretion. We would have had the social maturity to understand that, and curiosity would have been muted by empathy.

In the Bulley case, the opposite happened. Everything the police said with confidence led to a riot of speculation about all the other things they may not have considered. Everything the police left unsaid opened a vacuum, into which armchair detectives and keyboard warriors piled with conspiracies, speculation and fantasy.

The carnival of hysteria over Nicola Bulley shows us the very worst of modern human nature | Zoe Williams

Bulley’s family faced a cruel sleuthing free-for-all. But a breakdown of trust between public and police got us here, says Guardian columnist Zoe Williams

www.theguardian.com

spot on

 

[Woodburnbay]

It's good to have people who have worked on similar cases giving people an understanding as to what is going on and explaining things when there is a lack of information released to the public. When you get the ex-police coming on and bashing an ongoing investigation that is when I switch off.

I agree because you don't know if some EX Police left with an axe to grind.

 

[ayrshireguy]

I agree because you don't know if some EX Police left with an axe to grind.

That was exactly my thoughts listening to a few of them over the past few weeks.

 

[Woodburnbay]

NB was a missing person when that information was released. It was private, medical and therefore confidential information. There's no other way to dress that up. Whether it was in the public interest to release it is utterly irrelevant for me - it was a breach. However, if the argument is to be made that it was, then I'd question on what basis the search for NB was aided by the release of that information. It was a disgusting breach of her private, medical information.

We now know that it was released to public because MWT and Media were going to release far worse.

However, police should have been very limited in what they released without sharing detail and done a joint release with NB family.

Let's hope that MWT and PF never get another job in search of missings.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Does everyone know that the man who found NB found another body in a river 5 years ago too? There was also a large

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“Michael's [who vanished in a 9 minute window] body was found 23 days after he went missing, less than a mile from where he disappeared, by two walkers who alerted the police. His death came after a two-week search by mountain rescue, fire and rescue services, and friends and family in February 2018.”

Some uncanny similarities there…

 

[Rusty Braincells]

NB was a missing person when that information was released. It was private, medical and therefore confidential information. There's no other way to dress that up. Whether it was in the public interest to release it is utterly irrelevant for me - it was a breach. However, if the argument is to be made that it was, then I'd question on what basis the search for NB was aided by the release of that information. It was a disgusting breach of her private, medical information.

Technically, there will not have been a breach of the legislation if the release was justified. However, I do query if justified. More generic statements and mention of who was not a suspect would have perhaps sufficed IMO.

 

[mrjitty]

With such a big case like this you're going to get ex cops and ex detectives alongside people who are respected in various fields linked with something like this, giving their opinion. I don't understand why everyone is up in arms about it.
You will get interviewers who are interested in an interviewees take on things.
This isnt isolated with just this case, it happens them all.

The problem is that irresponsible coverage can have actual consequences - like reputation damage to LP

It's a structural problem in media these days - you see it also with politics - unqualified or marginal opinions are given outsized importance by repetition

So in this case, the media helped to create a national drama which was entirely out of proportion to the actual circumstances (local woman goes missing in river) then implied law enforcement had messed it all up

Why was Sky's Kay Burley out doing a walk through on site?
Why was MWT reporting from onsite?
Why was PF freelancing media hits on the investigation on an hourly basis

This stuff in no way helps with anything.

 

[Agatha3]

Does anyone know if the media pay for these types of interviews? Ex-cop with no knowledge of case prepared to give five to ten minutes of his or her time to national news channel — does money change hands? It seems like some of them just say whatever is most likely to attract attention rather than giving a responsible and experienced opinion.

Yes most will be paid a fee, like anyone else who appears. Prob expenses too. They can waiver fee of course, or ask it to go to a charity.

 

[pineapple23]

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I'm pretty sure it is him. Media sources have pics that look like him on his website. But if he is making a false claim, he's risking the police stepping in to say it's not true.
Whatever, I hate to say it as I didn't like the intrusion on the community, but it looks like thanks to a member of the public (medium or not), the family has some sort of closure. They could have been waiting months and maybe forever. Man who spotted Nicola Bulley's body reeds breaks his silence

 

[mrjitty]

It's good to have people who have worked on similar cases giving people an understanding as to what is going on and explaining things when there is a lack of information released to the public. When you get the ex-police coming on and bashing an ongoing investigation that is when I switch off.

Agreed. The problem is unqualified speculation which often revealed the pundit wasn't even up to speed on the facts.

Those of us who posted through the Pistorius trial on here are well aware that MWT produced a laughably poorly researched TV documentary on the case that overlooked evidence at trial.

It's very frustrating because the Everard case made clear the huge issues in UK policing regards safety of women which this case has nothing to do with!

The case is over now, but when i scan the media this morning, I doubt much has been learned.

 

[Agatha3]

Disagree. Nicola did not consent to having her medical information shared. Menopause and alcoholism are both private medical information. That alone makes it wrong. It’s not her job to have her intimate medical information exploited to publicise these health problems.

Menopause is stigmatised whether we like it or not. It’s all very well saying this has helped, but again, she didn’t consent to being used in this way.

I also disagree that it’s even helped: attributing her disappearance even in a vague way to the menopause contributes to the damaging myth that women going through the menopause are irrational and unstable, which just adds to the stigma.

The fact they even mentioned these things implies that the police will jump to conclusions about the disappearance of women who are menopausal or alcoholic (regardless of whether they actually do or not).

Even if they turn out to be correct in this case, releasing this private information seems judgemental and misogynist while pretending to be sympathetic.

Well police mentioned it and menopause has become a talking point and I suspect won’t be a stigma anymore. The case histories in papers were some positive, some not. Think it would be odd, the subject coming out in press conf and media not doing backgrounders on it. I am just listening to tv debate on it with an MP. I suspect most women’s magazines will be running info on menopause for next few months. Male MP just said the stigma will go as it did with talking about sanitary products.

 

[tulip182]

There seems to be an attitude from media and also the public in general that they are entitled to know every detail of everything and that experts are not to be trusted.
There are people just waiting to criticise the police and others who are just doing their jobs. It’s not going to be perfect everytime but this constant hounding of people is causing more problems and distracting people from their work.

The media are supposed to report news rather than create it by inventing conspiracy theories and reporting on SM rumours. They need to remember where that line is because it’s been crossed too many times recently,