Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #17

[ayrshireguy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1627383225910689792

 

[MsBetsy]

What makes you think they didn't?

Dog squad from Cumbria Police joins search for missing woman

THE Cumbria Police dog section has been providing assistance in Lancashire to help locate missing woman Nicola Bulley.

www.thewestmorlandgazette.co.uk

And search dogs can make mistakes too. They missed the body of five year old Lizzy Shelly, found in the same area they had searched days earlier.

I have no doubt the Cumbria Police Dog did an excellent job, though!

 

[Amonet]

I've noticed police never say 'suspected suicide', self-harm, nothing like that at all. They will say 'foul play is not suspected.' IMO, it's for the family to publicize, if they choose.

'Accident' meant 'no foul play' in this case, IMO. They later revealed NB had 'vulnerabilities', another code word, but never said 'possible prone to suicide'.

JMO

Yes, and this goes back to a previous comment about interpreting things police say.

When they say a missing person has been suffering from mental health issues or depression, they aren't telling us it's likely suicide. They are just telling us a piece of information. It's 'we' who interpret it as meaning potential suicide, they aren't telling us what to think, we decide what to think, what to make of the information.

So if they say someone was having some issues with alcohol or anything else, they're just giving a piece of information. They're not telling us to judge the person based on that piece of information, they're not telling us what conclusions to draw from the information.We might judge or draw conclusions, but isn't that on us?

 

[Agatha3]

I noticed he said his thoughts are with the family, I hope now he shuts his mouth and doesn't even bother with an excuse. If he dares to appear on TV again about this case in the coming days, I will end up throwing something at my TV and smashing it......

I want to hear what he says ( presuming TV, then picked up by papers.)
love all bits of info, although I imagine his agent is adding how many plugs for his new book are included and whether the interviewer will hold up the book cover.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I hope to God that in view of the appalling behaviour of certain areas of Social Media that an extremely wide and I mean WIDE police cordon is thrown around that whole area keeping absolutely everyone out that shouldn't be there. Possibly if I was running things I'm afraid I would be saying (in view of the media attention) that the body stays in the water under the watchful eye of a police diver and is only recovered in the very late hours of this evening or the very very early hours of morning before any sunrise. I say this for reasons of the privacy and dignity of the deceased.

Sorry to tell you:

“Rawcliffe Road was closed for several hours on Sunday so that the body could be recovered and removed. As soon as it reopened, a steady stream of local people and crime scene tourists visited the spot, after seeing photographs of the search on social media.”

Body found in search for missing woman Nicola Bulley, say police

Mortgage adviser, 45, went missing while walking her pet after dropping off daughters at school

www.theguardian.com

 

[ayrshireguy]

Sorry to tell you:

“Rawcliffe Road was closed for several hours on Sunday so that the body could be recovered and removed. As soon as it reopened, a steady stream of local people and crime scene tourists visited the spot, after seeing photographs of the search on social media.”

Body found in search for missing woman Nicola Bulley, say police

Mortgage adviser, 45, went missing while walking her pet after dropping off daughters at school

www.theguardian.com

wow

 

[Firstsnow4]

Sorry to tell you:

“Rawcliffe Road was closed for several hours on Sunday so that the body could be recovered and removed. As soon as it reopened, a steady stream of local people and crime scene tourists visited the spot, after seeing photographs of the search on social media.”

Body found in search for missing woman Nicola Bulley, say police

Mortgage adviser, 45, went missing while walking her pet after dropping off daughters at school

www.theguardian.com

What is wrong with people!

 

[Marie Bell]

he said he searched downstream from the weir in the clip which I uploaded many days ago

UK - Nicola Bulley, St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire), Jan 27, 2023 *MEDIA, MAPS, & TIMELINES - NO DISCUSSION*

https://www.lep.co.uk/news/crime/nicola-bulleys-friend-shares-11-facts-to-set-the-record-straight-about-missing-mums-disappearance-4014566

www.websleuths.com

6th feb clip

https://twitter.com/x/status/1622576037472227328

Thanks for posting this reminder of just what he said (or one of the things he's said!). "Eliminate this river". That statement was outrageous. Never in the history of river searches has anyone ever maintained that they could 'eliminate it'. No flipping wonder things got as crazy as they did, after they didn't find her.

 

[FromGermany1]

Sorry to tell you:

“Rawcliffe Road was closed for several hours on Sunday so that the body could be recovered and removed. As soon as it reopened, a steady stream of local people and crime scene tourists visited the spot, after seeing photographs of the search on social media.”

Body found in search for missing woman Nicola Bulley, say police

Mortgage adviser, 45, went missing while walking her pet after dropping off daughters at school

www.theguardian.com

Now the thread has to be updated, I think.

 

[cottonweaver]

Thanks for posting this reminder of just what he said (or one of the things he's said!). "Eliminate this river". That statement was outrageous. Never in the history of river searches has anyone ever maintained that they could 'eliminate it'. No flipping wonder things got as crazy as they did, after they didn't find her.

Thanks for your previous post which I was unable to reply to as the thread closed. ( I hadn't appreciated that MWT was the link for PF's later involvement)

 

[dunkley]

Where the body was found is not necessarily where it went in, or where it has been for the last three weeks. Bodies in tidal water have a habit of moving up and down on the bottom until the decomposition process enables them to float. *If* it were snagged on vegetation, it may have still only ended up there due to higher tides, and coming 'up'.
There will be a post mortem whether the body is ID'd as NB or not.
The police will have had every piece of information about NB and her life from the outset. Her family would have been consulted, considered, and supported at every stage.
An inquest will be opened and adjourned in the next few days, with a full hearing in about six months. That is when everything will be discussed, and the Coroner will find his verdict.

 

[Mr X]

Now the thread has to be updated, I think.

No ID so far as far as I know.

 

[Meeky]

<modsnip>

Expert said Nicola was not in river but didn't rule out reeds

Peter Faulding, who assisted in the search for the missing mother-of-two, has insisted that he didn't rule out a body being found in the reeds, despite claiming he would find her if she was in the river.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[x44]

Now that we have a body there will an inquest.
Unlike say if she was never found when after some decent time she would be quietly declared dead via the usual UK legal route in such cases.

<modsnip: not victim friendly>

 

[guiser]

I took it as just a statement of fact and more related to the Jan 10th incident and threats by people to attempt to sell salacious gossip to rags. I say "related to the Jan 10th incident" to mean that I wondered if the media would be able to find out about that, and LE simply wanted to explain it before speculation started as to the reason police went to the home.

Sometimes a piece of information might be indicative of something, but first of all it's just a piece of information no different from a piece of information such as the clothing someone was wearing when they were last seen.

Totally agree.
I always subscribed to the 'accident' theory, though I admit to having a bit of a wobble when NB's 'vulnerabilities' were revealed.
But after hearing that the information was only made public after threats to expose information previously known only to LE and the family, I came to the conclusion that LE had not considered this information to be material to solving the case or they'd have alluded to it in some (hopefully less inflamatory) way much earlier.

It may yet prove to be a suicide, depending on what other information LE hold, and that would be revealed at the inquest.
However, while I'm sure the coroner will explore the possibility, it's quite possible we will never know whether NB entered the water by accident or deliberately.

 

[Cluella DeVille]

I know news reports so far have stated it's about a mile away from the bench area, but I'm not clear whether it's a mile in distance as the crow flies, or a mile of river? Due to the amount of bends in the river which doesn't follow a direct line by any means, it looks so much further to travel by water than if walked in a straight line from the bench to the spot where the body has been located.

So utterly tragic, in particular for her daughters, sister and parents. The loss of a mother, sibling and child are just so traumatically life changing. I lost my brother 22 years ago, very sudden and unexpected. Completely heart breaking for us all, but witnessing the pain of that loss my parents endured for the remainder of their days was truly devastating

 

[Marie Bell]

I've noticed police never say 'suspected suicide', self-harm, nothing like that at all. They will say 'foul play is not suspected.' IMO, it's for the family to publicize, if they choose.

'Accident' meant 'no foul play' in this case, IMO. They later revealed NB had 'vulnerabilities', another code word, but never said 'possible prone to suicide'.

JMO

I'm not sure if we're disagreeing or agreeing, but where we differ, I think, is that I said that I believe police wouldn't have put forward a proposition about an accident with the harness/dog if they suspected it was intentional. They'd have been more neutral.

 

[Cedars]

Yes, and this goes back to a previous comment about interpreting things police say.

When they say a missing person has been suffering from mental health issues or depression, they aren't telling us it's likely suicide. They are just telling us a piece of information. It's 'we' who interpret it as meaning potential suicide, they aren't telling us what to think, we decide what to think, what to make of the information.

So if they say someone was having some issues with alcohol or anything else, they're just giving a piece of information. They're not telling us to judge the person based on that piece of information, they're not telling us what conclusions to draw from the information.We might judge or draw conclusions, but isn't that on us?

True. Police just state the facts. I think they do use those facts in order to generate 'possible scenarios', which lead them to search for evidence that might confirm or discount that possible scenario. But they're trained to do this.

Many in the public seem to be unable to recognize this. And certainly, the media discourages it.

If you want media/public attention, you must do the opposite: declare your theory and generate the facts to back it up. (And ignore anything that does not).

JMO

 

[Ched]

Peter Faulding, who describes himself as a 'world leading confined space rescue and forensic search specialist'. The diving expert who said that if Nicola Bulley was in the river, he would have found her, has insisted that he didn't rule out a body being found in the reeds.

Expert said Nicola was not in river but didn't rule out reeds

Peter Faulding, who assisted in the search for the missing mother-of-two, has insisted that he didn't rule out a body being found in the reeds, despite claiming he would find her if she was in the river.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Agatha3]

Now the thread has to be updated, I think.

Who was that quoted, please?