Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #3

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Would it be possible the Police may have found signs/evidence at the scene (eg. clothing, Airpods) but don't want to release it in case the public come to the conclusion she accidentally fell into the river, and then subsequently dismiss the case as solved?

Because if there's any possibility she was pushed or put in the river by someone else, they'd still want people in the area to keep thinking about what they saw that day, and who they saw doing what.
 
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Powerful words and message.
Today is Friday, there is that slim possibility that somebody who is only there on Fridays might remember something..
Today is a good day for a reconstruction. I hope they are considering it. Despite the amount of attention this has got, it is amazing how often people are oblivious to what has gone on in their neighbourhood.
 
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Today is a good day for a reconstruction. I hope they are considering it. Despite the amount of attention this has got, it is amazing how often people are oblivious to what has gone on in their neighbourhood.
I didn't hear word of a reconstruction.
Maybe another week?
 
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I've read all the threads and info. At this stage, I'm not sure about much, but like many others it does seem most likely to me that she has ended up in the river due to some kind of accident. Unfortunately, it's not at all surprising that she hasn't been found yet because it's very difficult to find people in water. But, I'm absolutely not certain.

One thing I am absolutely certain about is that the recent tweet from the police to "reassure" that the scene was processed earlier is effectively BS. It may have been 'processed' if processed means an officer turning up and having a quick nosey, but there is absolutely no way, no way, that the scene was properly forensically analysed. For that you'd need tents, lights, and to keep everyone out. This simply did not happen.

So, in the event that this does turn out to be criminal enquiry, the police will have no usable forensic evidence (in court) from the scene (if that was the scene) because of contamination. That I am sure of. IMO, JMO
 
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Would it be possible the Police may have found signs/evidence at the scene (eg. clothing, Airpods) but don't want to release it in case the public come to the conclusion she accidentally fell into the river, and then subsequently dismiss the case as solved?

Because if there's any possibility she was pushed or put in the river by someone else, they'd still want people in the area to keep thinking about what they saw that day, and who they saw doing what.
There are cases when it is appropriate to withhold certain facts but in this case it would be unethical not to disclose facts like that. They would be rightly slated in the media if they
I didn't hear word of a reconstruction.
Maybe another week?
Today would have been the best day.
 
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There are cases when it is appropriate to withhold certain facts but in this case it would be unethical not to disclose facts like that. They would be rightly slated in the media if they

Today would have been the best day.
I don't see how it's unethical if it could impede the investigation. Again, the public aren't entitled to any information and the police will only release details that may help their investigation and don't compromise it
 
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I've read all the threads and info. At this stage, I'm not sure about much, but like many others it does seem most likely to me that she has ended up in the river due to some kind of accident. Unfortunately, it's not at all surprising that she hasn't been found yet because it's very difficult to find people in water. But, I'm absolutely not certain.

One thing I am absolutely certain about is that the recent tweet from the police to "reassure" that the scene was processed earlier is effectively BS. It may have been 'processed' if processed means an officer turning up and having a quick nosey, but there is absolutely no way, no way, that the scene was properly forensically analysed. For that you'd need tents, lights, and to keep everyone out. This simply did not happen.

So, in the event that this does turn out to be criminal enquiry, the police will have no usable forensic evidence (in court) from the scene (if that was the scene) because of contamination. That I am sure of. IMO, JMO
Completely agree. At most a visual search and cursory photographs has been done. The scene was not preserved and hopefully they won't live to regret the decision.
 
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I've read all the threads and info. At this stage, I'm not sure about much, but like many others it does seem most likely to me that she has ended up in the river due to some kind of accident. Unfortunately, it's not at all surprising that she hasn't been found yet because it's very difficult to find people in water. But, I'm absolutely not certain.

One thing I am absolutely certain about is that the recent tweet from the police to "reassure" that the scene was processed earlier is effectively BS. It may have been 'processed' if processed means an officer turning up and having a quick nosey, but there is absolutely no way, no way, that the scene was properly forensically analysed. For that you'd need tents, lights, and to keep everyone out. This simply did not happen.

So, in the event that this does turn out to be criminal enquiry, the police will have no usable forensic evidence (in court) from the scene (if that was the scene) because of contamination. That I am sure of. IMO, JMO
Here is the 'scene'.
It's quite extensive and it's no secret that it's been searched by police, SAR teams and the general public under police supervision several times a day, every day for 7 days.
 
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Just thought the bench could be a good meeting place if it turned out Nicola left voluntarily with someone. I hope that is the case as she would be alive but I am not feeling positive at this point in time.
 
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I don't see how it's unethical if it could impede the investigation. Again, the public aren't entitled to any information and the police will only release details that may help their investigation and don't compromise it
They would not rule out suspious activity
Just watched the video appeal, wtf, “How much are you missing her?!” I’m guessing the reporter was told to say that to spark an emotive response? If anything has happened to her involving a third party it’s just horrific basically, that anyone could do that.

There has been a real feeling on previous threads that she never reached the bench. I’m guessing you guys have a lot more experience and the fact so many people are saying it. I hope you’re wrong though.

I don't see how it's unethical if it could impede the investigation. Again, the public aren't entitled to any information and the police will only release details that may help their investigation and don't compromise it
They cannot rule out foul play on the one hand and then withhold salient facts which point to foul play on the other. Bear in mind many people got to the scene before the police were even called. The information from the scene is already in the public domain.
 
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I think this second witness that saw NB at 09:10 is key, they knew her as well. So that is at least one person in that field that knew her. Why it is taking so long to verify the time ? The more i think about it the more confusing it gets. IMO
Tbh I was thinking about this, since I retired, I have no proper management of time, if I was a witness to something whilst walking my dog, I'd be lucky to know day let alone the time, all days merge into one atm, I looked at my Google maps on my phone yesterday to see if that'd give me a clue of what time I walk & where, but it just says out walking between certain times but not where, it didn't give me a clear map of where I'd been at a precise time, but I think there are apps that do . I would be a useless witness myself sadly regarding time, but I do recognise details others might not if my attention is caught on something particular, so I'm this case I'm not surprised the witness timings are approximately sadly, but it is so frustrating, we know within 20 or 30 mins something happened to her, I would love to take her dog willow back to see what's it reaction is,. I'm confused on the witness that found the dog, there is so much misleading information out there, regarding the phone & harness & lead, whether it was on bench or ground, to me if it was on ground then foul play is a big factor, I'd just love to be a fly on the wall in the police, the press are muddling facts up but I'm someways they can unravel things if they speak to a witness who gives out information not previously known, the police have a tough job, but I pray she'll turn up, my heart goes out to her family & friends. It's all so very very sad,
 
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I find it startling that it's tidal it's ,,9 miles from sea
That's nothing - think of the Severn estuary, and how far that is tidal! And technically, where the river estuary ends and the sea begins isn't always where you think it is.

Geographically, it is the altitude of the river that determines whether it is tidal. It could be 25 miles from the sea, but if it is sea-level, then it'll be tidal.
 
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New update form LBC. Iam not sure whether this adds a lot to the case and one could argue either way what this means. IMO

'You don't do that if you want to go missing': Nicola Bulley texted friend to set up playdate minutes before she vanished

The pal - who did not want to be named - said this shows she had not intended to go missing.


Ms Bulley had been walking her Spaniel, Willow at 9.15am on Friday last week near the river before vanishing, having dropped her two daughters off at school in St Michaels on Wyre in Lancashire.

She was dialled in to a work conference call at the time.

"She booked a playdate, 8.57, she sent a text message to a friend whose mortgage she had just recently signed off on to arrange for the girls to go for tea this week," said the friend, who lives in the village.


"You wouldn't have done that if you were going to get up and go missing."
 
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They would not rule out suspious activity



They cannot rule out foul play on the one hand and then withhold salient facts which point to foul play on the other. Bear in mind many people got to the scene before the police were even called. The information from the scene is already in the public domain.
of course they can, if they only have a partial picture and don't want to alert a suspect, i.e in the case of Sarah Everard. All they have said re suspicious activity is that 'at this stage there is no evidence someone else involved' same statement as many other cases that turned out to be murder. We have no entitlement to info
 
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The river becomes tidal at the weir and then has 13 miles to the sea.

The River Wyre becomes tidal below the weir at St Michaels. It’s got about another 13 miles to flow to reach the coast from this point.

 
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