Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #5

[PineTreeSleuther]

We don’t have any witnesses who saw Nicola at the bench.
Last witness saw phone and dog and harness at the bench at 9.35 iirc
Last sighting 9.10 in the field by Rowanwater lodges. Which have not been searched, but which also have direct river access.
If nobody saw NB walk between that field and the bench, they also wouldn’t have seen a perp place the dog, phone and harness there. Possible?

 

[justicepeace]

The lady who tied Willow up is also one of the last people to have physically sighted NB who has now been missing for 9 days. She has also interacted with items which could be vital evidence and given LE an account which states 2 traceable actions. I would be very disappointed/surprised if that account can’t be corroborated without her necessarily being a POI.

PS, I’m glad your father was OK

No - it has not been confirmed or denied if 9:10am witness is also the lady who found willow. I can’t see how it could be as the 9:10am witness positively ID’d NB and the dog witness recognised the dog but not who its owner was.

 

[JennieM]

Thanks JP. In the time between 9:35am and 10:50am, were PA and any others out searching for her? The Police were called at 10:50am. If the person who found Willow at 9.35am alerted someone who contacted PA then I’m guessing he would have gone right down and started looking for Nicola before contacting the Police.

At 10.50am, Ms Bulley’s family and the school attended by her children were told about her disappearance.

Timeline of events in the case of missing mother-of-two Nicola Bulley

Search teams are trawling the River Wyre and surrounding land near St Michael’s on Wyre.

www.messengernewspapers.co.uk

 

[PineTreeSleuther]

Is this possible?
Nicola abducted / incapacitated on top field near Rowanwater. Maybe by someone she knew a bit? Perp takes NB and hides her (in bushes?), leaving phone on floor. Was dog on lead or loose? If loose this seems unlikely. If on lead, possible?

Perp takes dog to bench and leaves phone, dog and harness there.

Again, maybe unlikely- why would dog stay there?

Nicola leaving / taken from near bench seems more possible, fits better with behaviour of Willow.

But we can’t assume Nicola made it to the bench, we only know the dog and phone did.

 

[JennieM]

So many differing reports but I think he did, albeit a quick look around. Could be why it took until 10:50am to call police. It is 3 miles from NB/PA house to the river in a car so it wouldn’t have taken him long atall to reach the river (by car).

At 10.50am, Ms Bulley’s family and the school attended by her children were told about her disappearance.

Timeline of events in the case of missing mother-of-two Nicola Bulley

Search teams are trawling the River Wyre and surrounding land near St Michael’s on Wyre.

www.messengernewspapers.co.uk

 

[justicepeace]

We don’t have any witnesses who saw Nicola at the bench.
Last witness saw phone and dog and harness at the bench at 9.35 iirc
Last sighting 9.10 in the field by Rowanwater lodges. Which have not been searched, but which also have direct river access.
If nobody saw NB walk between that field and the bench, they also wouldn’t have seen a perp place the dog, phone and harness there. Possible?

Exactly this. IMO

 

[justicepeace]

At 10.50am, Ms Bulley’s family and the school attended by her children were told about her disappearance.

Timeline of events in the case of missing mother-of-two Nicola Bulley

Search teams are trawling the River Wyre and surrounding land near St Michael’s on Wyre.

www.messengernewspapers.co.uk

So hard to discuss as there are just so many inconsistencies in the reporting. In the presser I am confident it was stated that the police were called at 10:50am so I am leaning toward this information rather than MSM. JMO

 

[JennieM]

So hard to discuss as there are just so many inconsistencies in the reporting. In the presser I am confident it was stated that the police were called at 10:50am so I am leaning toward this information rather than MSM. JMO

We need a timeline in this forum.

 

[todders]

No - it has not been confirmed or denied if 9:10am witness is also the lady who found willow.

Lancashire Constabulary - MFH Nicola Bulley - latest update

The police update states that it was a different dog walker/witness that found the phone/harness/lead. IMO

 

[Kassanddra]

We need a timeline in this forum.

I think you just have to keep referring back to the police one on Lancs Police website

 

[justicepeace]

We need a timeline in this forum.

Someone kindly typed up the presser but it’s lost in the thread now. I do think we should try and only discuss the police timeline or else it becomes seriously messy. IMO.

 

[mrjitty]

Re the bluetooth - I did some generalised research on fitbit technical forums - this is all just IMO

It seems the fitbit is typically in a passive listening mode with its blue tooth radio. So for eg. if you turn on the app on the controlling device (the phone) it might then poll the fitbit which would then answer. I think fitbit is thus potentially of no use. What i don't know is whether the phone occasionally polls the connected device to see it is there - but i suspect not.

When you open your bluetooth settings and look for devices to connect to, your phone sends a signal which listening, discoverable devices answer to say "yes i am here".

I don't think that happened here. so it would be a long shot

However if she was listening to the call with bluetooth wireless ear buds - these would be connected in an active bluetooth connection and you would see when this data connection was lost in logs somewhere .

Recovering that information would not be simple IMO

 

[Kassanddra]

Someone kindly typed up the presser but it’s lost in the thread now. I do think we should try and only discuss the police timeline or else it becomes seriously messy. IMO.

Think press release is pinned at the top amongst the rule reminders!

 

[todders]

Interesting item from the lancashire post, as apparently willow has been back.

https://www.lep.co.uk/news/crime/ni...ight-about-missing-mums-disappearance-4014566

10 – The dog has since been back.

 

[Undecided]

Imo the police will

Imo the police will have looked into all aspects of her life including work and

Exactly this. IMO

I hope the lodges have been searched, there’s no time to lose in these situations and they needed ruling out quickly, if people knew a woman was missing a search should’ve been fine as presumably they had nothing to hide.

Thanks JP. In the time between 9:35am and 10:50am, were PA and any others out searching for her? The Police were called at 10:50am. If the person who found Willow at 9.35am alerted someone who contacted PA then I’m guessing he would have gone right down and started looking for Nicola before contacting the Police.

I thought the school was rung at 10.50 who then rang PA.

 

[todders]

Someone kindly typed up the presser but it’s lost in the thread now. I do think we should try and only discuss the police timeline or else it becomes seriously messy. IMO.

I agree and iam trying to reference this for most posts to confirm what is being said, the only issue is that the official police update does not include details about the phone being found on the bench at 09.20.The pinned forum post is the most accurate.IMO

UK - UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #5

Lancashire Constabulary - MFH Nicola Bulley - latest update

 

[JeremyBentham]

The abduction theory in the upper field is tricky for me based on the dog. They would have had to have placed the dog back at the bench. If so I’m not sure how easy that would be. The dog would not go willingly and would have surely run back to where they were, not stuck around the bench.

 

[PineTreeSleuther]

Pictures from Google Earth, annotations my own.
Cross is last sighting of Nicola at 9.10
Circle is bench.
According to police timeline, phone went still at bench at 9.20

So 10 minutes between sighting by Rowanwater (though the exact time of this sighting is still not known) and phone on bench.

How long would that stretch normally take?

10 minutes seems quite a long time?

If I were the police I would be looking for any time when the phone was still from about 9-9.15. In an attack, phone could be dropped, NB incapacitated, hidden, phone then collected on the way to bench by perp.

But the dog. NBs habit was to have the dog off lead. Perp would need dog on lead.

If perp asked for help, I think NB might have re- leashed willow. I would put a lead back on my dog if I was helping someone else - to make sure she couldn’t wander off.

Was willow obedient? If my dog was taken for a walk by a stranger and then left somewhere and told to stay, I think she might, at least for a few minutes? Not at all reliable though. I think this theory might fall down here …

 

[Firstsnow4]

If they police have said that all the exits are covered by cctv then I guess all the entrances are too? I would then assume they have captured NB on her walk with the dog at some point. Nothing has been mentioned regarding cctv of NB? If Nicola has managed to go unnoticed by cctv on her walk, surely a potential attacker could have too?

Yes I find it odd that police have not released any cctv of NB yet. Which is worrying because as you say if there is none of her there could be none of any perp either! JMO.

 

[justicepeace]

Re the bluetooth - I did some generalised research on fitbit technical forums - this is all just IMO

It seems the fitbit is typically in a passive listening mode with its blue tooth radio. So for eg. if you turn on the app on the controlling device (the phone) it might then poll the fitbit which would then answer. I think fitbit is thus potentially of no use. What i don't know is whether the phone occasionally polls the connected device to see it is there - but i suspect not.

When you open your bluetooth settings and look for devices to connect to, your phone sends a signal which listening, discoverable devices answer to say "yes i am here".

I don't think that happened here. so it would be a long shot

However if she was listening to the call with bluetooth wireless ear buds - these would be connected in an active bluetooth connection and you would see when this data connection was lost in logs somewhere .

Recovering that information would not be simple IMO

Good to know about the fitbit, I wish it was an Apple Watch though, I genuinely believe it would have honestly gave the police so much to go on. Hindsight.

In regards to headphones, on the MSM post I linked above, a friend stated that NB regularly listened to her phone on loudspeaker mode. Now this is what sways me away from opportunistic foul play, would an opportunistic attacker approach, attack, restrain someone clearly on a video call, it would only be viable imo if the assailant knew she was muted, and her camera off.

OR - could it be she was signed into the call, so her boss could maybe see her presence but as it wasn’t of much relevance to her she had it on mute/no sound coming from phone in that case. Not many people would admit to such a thing, but I have certainly done it on at least one conference type, mundane meeting call.