Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #5

[EyeSpyU]

I find it very interesting that those who think she did not drown because Willow would have followed her in the water. Ignore their own logic about Willowing following Nicola when it comes to her being abducted.

- If she was taken to the Caravan Park - Willow will be found there.
- If she was abducted and taken to where a car was parked Willow will be found outside the woodlands area

Why is it that Willow was spotted at the last known place where Nicola was assumed to have been, by the bench by the river? The answer is simple because that's where Willow last saw Nicola before she tragically drowned.

All this + CCTV evidence not picking her up exiting the park leads to only one conclusion. The sad bit is that even if her body is found in the river we will still have conspiracy theorists argue that her body was deliberately dumped in the river to cover up her murder and make it look like a drowning.

I couldn’t agree more.

Some people seem to ignore the logical, such as Willow would have followed her had she gone off somewhere, and almost want to believe a crime has taken place when the police have stated that in their professional opinion Nikki fell into the river accidentally.

 

[DetectiveLawless]

You can fall without leaving marks.

On a muddy bank? Unlikely.

 

[falling rain]

Apologies for asking this, but everything seems very confusing.

Am I right when I say there is NO CCTV footage of Nicola and Willow that day?
If I'm right, why not?

Again, if there's no CCTV footage, are we essentially relying on witnesses who believe they saw her at the other side of the field?

One person said they saw Nicola across a field and their dogs interacted briefly. Why didn't the witness say that they and Nicola also interacted? This would be very important info. If they didn't wave etc, why not?

Nicola wasn't wearing an easily identifiable coat. We've got red coat lady and yellow coat lady. She's also petite.

When people say they saw her across a field, did they specifically identify Nicola, or was it Willow who was identified and an assumption made that it was Nicola with her?

She wasn't wearing a hat, yet in numerous photos released of her, she's wearing a woolly hat. It was cold, why didn't she wear her hat? What about gloves? Isn't it odd that the day she's assumed to have fallen in a river, she wasn't wearing a hat that could easily have come off and be found?

Everything that could come away from a body in a river and help with the investigation, was either left on or by the bench, or was left at home. It's bizarre.

She wasn't wearing a hat because she was on a conference call and had to hear! She wasn't wearing gloves because she was sending a text, checking email, writing an email, logging into a conference call...

 

[suzyjackson]

Apologies for asking this, but everything seems very confusing.

Am I right when I say there is NO CCTV footage of Nicola and Willow that day?
If I'm right, why not?

Again, if there's no CCTV footage, are we essentially relying on witnesses who believe they saw her at the other side of the field?

One person said they saw Nicola across a field and their dogs interacted briefly. Why didn't the witness say that they and Nicola also interacted? This would be very important info. If they didn't wave etc, why not?

Nicola wasn't wearing an easily identifiable coat. We've got red coat lady and yellow coat lady. She's also petite.

When people say they saw her across a field, did they specifically identify Nicola, or was it Willow who was identified and an assumption made that it was Nicola with her?

She wasn't wearing a hat, yet in numerous photos released of her, she's wearing a woolly hat. It was cold, why didn't she wear her hat? What about gloves? Isn't it odd that the day she's assumed to have fallen in a river, she wasn't wearing a hat that could easily have come off and be found?

Everything that could come away from a body in a river and help with the investigation, was either left on or by the bench, or was left at home. It's bizarre.

Interesting that you are assuming that we are all on CCTV at all times?

I live somewhere that is fairly similar to this village and has similar areas to walk, none of them have CCTV, I could walk for days and not be tracked unless I triggered a doorcam. Cities may be well covered but outside if that ime it's not the same at all
JMO

 

[EyeSpyU]

The police have said as much in the article as per the the link below

Nicola Bulley's partner holds onto hope she'll be found alive

If you watch the video of the divers preparing to get into the dinghy at the spot where Nikki appeared to have vanished opposite the bench, even one of the divers slipped and almost tumbled into the river before grabbing the dinghy.

That thick mud is sodden and slippery as anything and is on a steep slope too.

 

[heatherc]

Is it possible that maybe with NB wearing a long coat it may of interfered with any slip marks? Say if it was a slip near the bank, then she fell on her back before going into the water, the coat dragging over the inital marks? Grasping at straws but just a thought.

 

[ayrshireguy]

Is it possible that maybe with NB wearing a long coat it may of interfered with any slip marks? Say if it was a slip near the bank, then she fell on her back before going into the water, the coat dragging over the inital marks? Grasping at straws but just a thought.

There would still be indications of disturbance on the bank.<modsnip - "I heard..." is not an approved source>

 

[JeremyBentham]

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I find it very interesting that those who think she did not drown because Willow would have followed her in the water. Ignore their own logic about Willowing following Nicola when it comes to her being abducted.

- If she was taken to the Caravan Park - Willow will be found there.
- If she was abducted and taken to where a car was parked Willow will be found outside the woodlands area

Why is it that Willow was spotted at the last known place where Nicola was assumed to have been, by the bench by the river? The answer is simple because that's where Willow last saw Nicola before she tragically drowned.

All this + CCTV evidence not picking her up exiting the park leads to only one conclusion. The sad bit is that even if her body is found in the river we will still have conspiracy theorists argue that her body was deliberately dumped in the river to cover up her murder and make it look like a drowning.

Agree. Although I still do find myself circling back on the abduction theory, even though it makes little sense to me. But it’s just what we do without all the answers I guess.

Realistically the dog location is key though. It’s the last place it saw its owner.

 

[ayrshireguy]

"Police have currently ruled out foul play in the case of Nicola Bulley, with no indication anyone else has been involved. They are also proceeding under the assumption that Nicola is alive, and are dealing with the vanishing as a missing persons case."

"Prof Wilson said that leaves two possible explanations. He said there may have been 'an accident of some kind', and he added that sometimes 'a person voluntarily goes missing, they want to get away for a completely fresh start, a different life."

What has happened to Nicola Bulley? Expert sets out police theories

A leading police expert has explained what officers will be doing as part of their investigation

www.hulldailymail.co.uk

 

[megsmoo]

I'm just throwing this out here as I've still got to catch up so might haven't already been spoken about.

This is just my opinion but, was she ever back at the bench area?

So this area is been said that it was her last known area. But was it? The last sighting is the top field. Common sense says yes her last area on her way back.

However isn't it a convenient place to leave items.

Can't be seen with out walking through and also right at the side of the river in an out of sight area. Your obvious thought would be river.

However. What an ideal place to leave items. Somewhere where the dog can't get out as it can't open gates.

Im in two minds as to whether nicola was actually at thay bench or whether her items and poor doggy were but she never was.

This is just my opinion as there has never been a sighting of her at that actual bench. And as far as we know no actual evidence she was apart from her items.

Again this is just my opinion

Also police are known for not giving out everything they have got.

I'm guessing because if someone else is involved they would be watching closely. There not going to want to spook them or give them any inclination that they are looking towards anything else.

 

[justicepeace]

Honestly, if this is foul play it’s like the perfect crime in terms of evidence. Bewildered.

 

[Miss_French]

Yes, people jumped on that new “key” witness, implying she was involved somehow, and it’s transpired she came forward as soon as she saw the request and has been totally eliminated. I don’t know why they even brought her into it as she wasn’t in the area at the same time as Nikki.

Because she could have seen something of significance just before or after NB was in the area, or in the days before or after.

 

[EyeSpyU]

What if there is an argument at 9:10 by the bench, NB ends up in the river, the other person ties Willow to the bench (perhaps loosely as Willow is agitated and not easy to tie) and leaves Willow there. Willow gets out of the harness eventually and stays in between the bench and river where she last saw NB like you say. It might be far-fetched but it wouldn't be impossible.

There’d be signs of a struggle in the mud if someone attempted to pull Nikki off the bench and push her down into the river. Besides which, unless you’re an absolute murderous mad person why would anyone do that?! And why would they bother to even think of tying the dog to the bench? None of that makes sense.

Furthermore, don’t you think the police have taken fingerprints and DNA from the lead, harness and phone?

Going further, when Nikki was listening in to her works call no one could possibly know she wasn’t on an ordinary call and would be heard attacking Nikki.

Why are people coming up with such impossible ideas when the police have said they firmly believe Nikki fell into the river and that’s why they’re spending thousands on searching it.

 

[DetectiveLawless]

I'm just throwing this out here as I've still got to catch up so might haven't already been spoken about.

This is just my opinion but, was she ever back at the bench area?

So this area is been said that it was her last known area. But was it? The last sighting is the top field. Common sense says yes her last area on her way back.

However isn't it a convenient place to leave items.

Can't be seen with out walking through and also right at the side of the river in an out of sight area. Your obvious thought would be river.

However. What an ideal place to leave items. Somewhere where the dog can't get out as it can't open gates.

Im in two minds as to whether nicola was actually at thay bench or whether her items and poor doggy were but she never was.

This is just my opinion as there has never been a sighting of her at that actual bench. And as far as we know no actual evidence she was apart from her items.

Again this is just my opinion

Also police are known for not giving out everything they have got.

I'm guessing because if someone else is involved they would be watching closely. There not going to want to spook them or give them any inclination that they are looking towards anything else.

I dont think it has been said the bench was the last known area. Its just the assumption because of the phone being there.

 

[pineapple23]

Exactly this. This seemingly safe, close, tight-knit community have woman who live there fearful to go out alone -

This is after the disappearance and of course they feel like that especially given some of the comments in the media. Plus even though I think she probably had an accident, if I lived in the area, I would be taken a little extra care for the time being.

 

[justicepeace]

There’d be signs of a struggle in the mud if someone attempted to pull Nikki off the bench and push her down into the river. Besides which, unless you’re an absolute murderous mad person why would anyone do that?! And why would they bother to even think of tying the dog to the bench? None of that makes sense.

Furthermore, don’t you think the police have taken fingerprints and DNA from the lead, harness and phone?

Going further, when Nikki was listening in to her works call no one could possibly know she wasn’t on an ordinary call and would be heard attacking Nikki.

Why are people coming up with such impossible ideas when the police have said they firmly believe Nikki fell into the river and that’s why they’re spending thousands on searching it.

Because unfortunately there is no evidence to suggest she went in that river. Just like there is no evidence to suggest none of anything else happened. IMO

Our options are to discuss what we know and possible scenarios or all just accept the fact she has fell in the river, discussing nothing.

 

[justicepeace]

This is after the disappearance and of course they feel like that especially given some of the comments in the media. Plus even though I think she probably had an accident, if I lived in the area, I would be taken a little extra care for the time being.

I never said they shouldn’t feel like that, rightly so.

 

[Miss_French]

She wasn't wearing a hat, yet in numerous photos released of her, she's wearing a woolly hat. It was cold, why didn't she wear her hat? What about gloves? Isn't it odd that the day she's assumed to have fallen in a river, she wasn't wearing a hat that could easily have come off and be found?

Everything that could come away from a body in a river and help with the investigation, was either left on or by the bench, or was left at home. It's bizarre.

Was it cold, though? She may have had them in her pockets, or in her car and thought she didn't need them, not with a possibly brisk walk with Willow. And unless you've got good touch-screen gloves, you'd struggle to be sending an email or connect to Zoom, as NB did.

Everyone is different, but I'm out of the house at 7am for a 40 minute walk to work and even in winter I've no hat, sometime gloves but they come off as my hands warm up, and sometimes only a sweatshirt and thin fleece on top.

 

[wens67]

What if the witness who found Willow at the beginning and raised the alarm is wrong with the timings? Surely after tying Willow up up until raising the alarm other people would have come along and seen Willow tied up on her own and found it odd.

Also thinking of abduction what if there were two people involved. One could have taken NB and the other could have placed those items there and rejoined the first person, could have been on boats?

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Is it possible that maybe with NB wearing a long coat it may of interfered with any slip marks? Say if it was a slip near the bank, then she fell on her back before going into the water, the coat dragging over the inital marks? Grasping at straws but just a thought.

Surely though the slip mark would be easier to see than a footprint