Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #5

[shamzyk]

The Lancashire police have not released any cctv of Nicola Bulley entering the fields. They must have cctv of her somewhere on the morning of the 27 January. At the school where she dropped off her two daughters. Cctv of her then walking her dog Willow. Over the bridge into the fields. Etc, etc, etc. So far we only have reports of her from people she met on her walk. No pictures. No CCTV.

which is surprising to me, even if they believe she fell in the river I thought they'd of released a still to show the items of clothing she was wearing IMO

 

[green leaves]

The Lancashire police have not released any cctv of Nicola Bulley entering the fields. They must have cctv of her somewhere on the morning of the 27 January. At the school where she dropped off her two daughters. Cctv of her then walking her dog Willow. Over the bridge into the fields. Etc, etc, etc. So far we only have reports of her from people she met on her walk. No pictures. No CCTV.

This is what I’m curious about too.
There seems to be only eye witness accounts.

 

[Coach]

When Willow interacted with the other walker’s dog, I wonder what kind of interaction it was.

 

[strangething]

I'm sure there are just excellent reasons, and the authorities are holding highly sensitive cards close to their chest while carrying out their full investigative process.

But (all that follows JMO...) the more I read about this whole situation, the more I feel that the area is being treated differently to how they would a more densely populated area. Is it because of the police-described "low crime, close knit nature" of the community? Is that not taking an immediate presumptive approach to an investigation?

Suggestion of criminality has been heavily downplayed like the suggestion it could happen in this area being treated as beyond reproach.

The scene seemingly being open and heavily tampered with since, with press walking about the area undeterred, the language flying around from local police that has gone as far as ruling out NB leaving the area, seemingly based on just word of mouth, some of which could only approximate the time they witnessed NB... the timeline just feels full of holes and strange circumstances regarding her found belongings and pet.

OF COURSE, the authorities are right that the river remains the most likely outcome... but we are talking about a very open rural area with multiple marked or unmarked route opportunities, blind spots on the main roads and a very large window of opportunity between last sighting of NB herself and the partner/police being called (at what would have been an increasingly quiet time of the day for walkers as they filter off to work and... appointments).

Maybe it is as simple as a direct fall into the river with NB missing the mud bank, but as has been said hundreds of times before on here: Something feels off.

I'm glad friends and family of NB are pushing for more open minds, even if the authorities appear less inclined to do so currently.

 

[cottonweaver]

He said sort of lost me when he said the police had been working on a water disappearance for 18 months and his equipment found the body in 10 mins. I would happily allow him to search until his heart is content though, no problem. Jmo

Yes I noticed that in an earlier clip yesterday but can't find that clip now.

In this other clip he mentions side-scan sonar as if LE do not have access to that tech even though almost all the news reports had already said that LE were using side scan sonar.

( Had a quick look on Home Office reports - side scan sonar developed 1970s https://www.ukfrs.com/sites/default/files/2017-09/Techincal Memorandum 1_81 - Aids to Underwater Searching.pdf)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1621556197672239112

Also, Lancs Police can draw down support from other specialist units such as this one below:

'The North West Police Underwater Search & Marine Unit has been in existence since 1974 and provides specialist search and recovery services to all the Forces in the North West of England, North Wales, and across the UK via police mutual aid protocols. Officers are seconded to the Unit from, Merseyside, Greater Manchester, Lancashire, Cheshire, Cumbria & North Wales, with the Unit being made up of 12 full-time police officers (an Inspector, a Sergeant and 10 Constables) along with a civilian Dive Technician. All the Officers are qualified HSE commercial divers (SCUBA and Surface Supply), licensed search officers and high risk confined space trained.

In addition to these specialist skills, the Officers are also trained to operate a wide range of police vessels from small inflatables and Rigid Hull Inflatable Boats (RHIBs) through to larger survey boats and the Police Launch ‘Cormorant,’ which can deploy up to 60 miles offshore. The Unit uses sophisticated sonar technology to search large areas of water, but it is a sub-surface blind fingertip search for smaller items such as weapons or phones that is their most common method of search.'

North West Police Underwater Search & Marine Unit - AdventureSmartUK

www.adventuresmart.uk

EDITED to add
Have since found that this^ unit has been employed in the search for Nicola Police divers check river in search for missing dog walker Nicola Bulley - Perspective Magazine

 

[justicepeace]

I'm sure there are just excellent reasons, and the authorities are holding highly sensitive cards close to their chest while carrying out their full investigative process.

But (all that follows JMO...) the more I read about this whole situation, the more I feel that the area is being treated differently to how they would a more densely populated area. Is it because of the police-described "low crime, close knit nature" of the community? Is that not taking an immediate presumptive approach to an investigation?

Suggestion of criminality has been heavily downplayed like the suggestion it could happen in this area being treated as beyond reproach.

The scene seemingly being open and heavily tampered with since, with press walking about the area undeterred, the language flying around from local police that has gone as far as ruling out NB leaving the area, seemingly based on just word of mouth, some of which could only approximate the time they witnessed NB... the timeline just feels full of holes and strange circumstances regarding her found belongings and pet.

OF COURSE, the authorities are right that the river remains the most likely outcome... but we are talking about a very open rural area with multiple marked or unmarked route opportunities, blind spots on the main roads and a very large window of opportunity between last sighting of NB herself and the partner/police being called (at what would have been an increasingly quiet time of the day for walkers as they filter off to work and... appointments).

Maybe it is as simple as a direct fall into the river with NB missing the mud bank, but as has been said hundreds of times before on here: Something feels off.

I'm glad friends and family of NB are pushing for more open minds, even if the authorities appear less inclined to do so currently.

Great post. Thanks

 

[AnalyticalMind]

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Also regarding the phone being dropped (either accidentally, or if under duress), I wonder if the gyroscope and accelerometer information is retrievable? This would be able to tell police what happened to the phone movement wise, if obtainable, as phones usually contain both.

 

[Kangsul]

Hi all, new here to this thread. I just wanted to come on here and say that NB being in the river is totally plausible. Thinking back to the case of Libby squire in 2019, she was put into the river hull, but wasn’t found until 7 weeks later. Police searched the river hull nearly a week after her disappearance and found no sign of her. NB could have very much drifted out down the river within the week (That’s if what has happened).
imo moo

 

[Sjöberg]

but we are talking about a very open rural area with multiple marked or unmarked route opportunities, blind spots on the main roads

Yeah, while I don't really think she left the area whatever happened, it sounded really odd to me that they rule out the idea that she's left the area because she's not on a few cctv's on the main roads. People are totally capable walking off-road, especially if there's anything out of the ordinary. And as we've not seen any cctv of her entering the area then for all we know she could have just left the same way she arrived.

My main theory has always been an accident, but my secondary theories have been changing a lot. I see the family clinging on to the hope that she's alive, and while they always do that, it feels somewhat different to me in this case, as it's coming from many different people and not just family members, IMO a friend was first to ask her to come back. Maybe they have some reason, some theories, to have some hope. But the dog being alone in the wild, so to say... I don't have much hope of her being anywhere else than in the river by now.

 

[Hel44]

The police have stated that they do NOT believe a crime has taken place. Watch the video and you’ll hear everything.

Secondly, as a dog walker myself, if I were to find a dog who appeared lost without its owner and saw its lead on the bench next to a mobile phone, I’d assume the owner had gone off somewhere possibly to find a second dog they had with them, or suddenly needed to relieve themselves behind bushes or something. Whatever, I wouldn’t cancel important meetings by waiting for the owner to return. I’d do exactly what the lady did: tie the dog to the bench and phone other dog walkers I know to tell them there’s a stray dog at such and such place, and a phone too who I’d assume belonged to the owner - people can forget their phones sometimes. It does happen.

The woman knew people were coming to see the dog right away, so there was no reason for her to do anything else.

I agree with the first part of what you said but I’m still not entirely sure why she’d tie the dog up. That seems an odd decision. Especially if the owner had nipped for the toilet etc and not tied it up. And what would she use to tie it with?

There is no clarity on when/how she let others know. Eg she spoke to her daughter in law but it doesn’t specify whether this was before or after her appointment. This could have been a hour later!

 

[kittythehare]

Here is the transcription of the presser

UK - UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #4

Looking at the muddy banks of the river and knowing she was wearing next wellingtons- one misplaced footstep and there will have been no traction. Unfortunately she wasn’t wearing decent wellingtons or walking boots- the grip on the boots she was wearing will have sadly been nill. I agree...

www.websleuths.com

 

[LockHart]

The Lancashire police have not released any cctv of Nicola Bulley entering the fields. They must have cctv of her somewhere on the morning of the 27 January. At the school where she dropped off her two daughters. Cctv of her then walking her dog Willow. Over the bridge into the fields. Etc, etc, etc. So far we only have reports of her from people she met on her walk. No pictures. No CCTV

which is surprising to me, even if they believe she fell in the river I thought they'd of released a still to show the items of clothing she was wearing IMO

Yes, I agree with you.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

It would, but BNA material is paywalled, so not allowed to be linked here.

An 11 year old boy drowned in the Wyre at St Michael's in the summer of 1945, 200 yards east of the bridge (so very close to where NB is thought to have disappeared). At the inquest there was speculation that recent floods might have affected the river bed, creating deep spots. The boy's body was found within a few hours, entangled in underwater barbed wire (wartime defences).

This was reported in the Lancashire Evening Post 21st July 1945 (paywalled on BNA). I know of the case as he was a member of my own family.

Many thanks Loobyloo. That’s really useful.

 

[jackal67]

I couldn’t agree more.

Some people seem to ignore the logical, such as Willow would have followed her had she gone off somewhere, and almost want to believe a crime has taken place when the police have stated that in their professional opinion Nikki fell into the river accidentally.

I agree. I find it sad that so many people think a crime/ abduction is far more likely than a tragic accident. Also that they know better than the professionals and experts.JMO

 

[cottonweaver]

Hi all, new here to this thread. I just wanted to come on here and say that NB being in the river is totally plausible. Thinking back to the case of Libby squire in 2019, she was put into the river hull, but wasn’t found until 7 weeks later. Police searched the river hull nearly a week after her disappearance and found no sign of her. NB could have very much drifted out down the river within the week (That’s if what has happened).
imo moo

Agree and apparently ' Underwater the currents are immensely strong' according to this link about the river

Explore the River Wyre from source to sea • with Visit Fleetwood

The River Wyre flows through Lancashire to join the Irish Sea at Fleetwood - it forms the northern, top edge of the Fylde Coast.

www.visitfleetwood.info

 

[Officer Dibble]

Not sure if this has been posted yet.

#7 is called the "deep hole" where the bench is. From this website: St. Michaels Angling Association – Fishing Club in Lancashire

This is a great share. Thank you

 

[Sjöberg]

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They must have cctv of her somewhere on the morning of the 27 January. At the school where she dropped off her two daughters.

IMO, there was no cctv at the school. At least that was stated on that very thread a while back.

 

[EyeSpyU]

Out of curiosity does anyone know how long Nikki usually walked her dog in the morning? I know she started the walk after dropping her girls off at school around 8:30am and started the walk at 8:43am. She then emailed her boss at 8:53am and joined the work Teams meeting at 09:01 which she had muted while listening in.

So, would it be feasible to say her daily walk with the dog usually took about an hour? If so, she’d then collect her car and be back home by, say, 10am latest? I’m just guessing here…

I know her partner was working from home and was alerted that Nikki was missing at around 10:50am.

I’m just wondering if her partner phoned her prior to 10:50am if indeed she was late returning home?

Of course, she may not have always returned home before then, so there’d be no need for her partner to call her, but I’m just wondering what her regular routine was timeframe wise.

Was she going to run errands before returning home with the dog, I wonder?

 

[Officer Dibble]

HEADS UP!!!

This man, yet again, is offering his service with highest hit rate of finding bodies in water, with his millions of pounds worth of equipment. He is offering this service free of charge. He wants to help the family. <modsnip>

from GB News:

 

[3point5]

All this + CCTV evidence not picking her up exiting the park leads to only one conclusion. The sad bit is that even if her body is found in the river we will still have conspiracy theorists argue that her body was deliberately dumped in the river to cover up her murder and make it look like a drowning.

This is similar to what I said previously. I guarantee if she does get found in the water, lots will claim she must have been dumped there after the police started focusing on the water as a diversion.

What's that saying? If you hear hooves, think horse, not zebra.