Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #6

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INTERVIEW WITH PETER FAULDING

6TH FEBRUARY

Faulding
- We've got a specialist bit of kit, high frequency side scan sonar which we've got a very high hit rate. I was the first to bring it into the UK, in 1999, and to have pioneered the use of it over here, so I can find anything with that and if Nicola is here, I'm happy that we will find her, if she is in the river.

Reporter - What's your search plan? Obviously, there's a weir on the way here. Do you search from the bench to the weir first? Do you go from the weir downwards?

Faulding - We've been tasked by Lancashire Police, we're working closely with them, so we're going to be coming down from the weir and we're going down towards the estuary, but it's a fair stretch of river and we'll be looking at the bottom. It is deep in places, shallow in places, so it's not so much of a challenge, it's more of a slower process. Normally we can cover about 10 miles of river a day with a sonar but this is quite a windy river. But it's not that wide, it's not that fast moving, so it should be quite straightforward.

Reporter - Do you worry that if the police theory is correct, as it stands at the moment, she went into the water - Do you worry that her body could have gone into the sea?

Faulding - I think it's a bit of a long stretch to go to the sea. From my experience, normally drowning victims go in and they're normally within 200/300 metres or very near where they went in, so I don't think she would have gone a long way. The river is not in flood, from the first time I've seen it today. If we had storms and there was lots of flood water then I would expect in the high flow for a body to get carried but once a drowning victim goes to the bottom they tend to stay on the bottom for 7 or 8 days and they, sort of, just move slowly along the bottom. That again... if it's flooded, that's different, but it's not.

Reporter - Do you believe that she is in the river? I think you might have cast some doubt on that.

Faulding - Well, I think the police - they're doing the right thing. The clear evidence is - the phone was by the river, the dog harness was by the river, so I think that's their only clue at the moment and we've got to be able to eliminate this river. So we can either confirm or deny what's in here today.

Reporter - In terms of those conversations with police, you say you're working with them closely - How confident do you think the police feel that that's what's happened, that she's gone in the river?

Faulding - I believe.. the police I believe, I think, that she's in here and obviously that's where the evidence is actually pointing us at the moment. The police are doing a great job. It's a big task for Lancashire police to do. This is a particularly long stretch of river to search and we just bring that backup resource to work closely with them, at this instant.

Reporter - We understand that Paul (Nicola's partner) called you personally. What can you tell us about that conversation you had with him?

Faulding - Well, Paul called me the other day to.. we spoke and he was then speaking to Lancashire Police to bring us in. That afternoon there was bit of miscommunication but they agreed to bring us in, because we do the police diving anyway for the whole of the South East. So we're a well known police operational team and we bring that expertise and we've got a very good working relationship with Lancashire Police at the moment.

Reporter - Was it difficult talking to Paul?

Faulding - Paul is extremely distraught. I've just spoken to him, just now, where we're staying and my thoughts go out to the family and friends. It's a very difficult time. I'm used to dealing with families of drowning victims, it's a horrible thing to be going through, not knowing where your loved one is and that's the.. if anyone puts them in his mind, it's is a horrible thing. You don't know where your mind is.

Reporter - If Nicola isn't found are you confident to say that she isn't in the River?

Faulding - Yes. If we can't find her in the next three or four days in this river, if she's not here, then I'm confident she's not in this stretch of river. I'd be very confident of that.

Reporter - How long are you expecting to be here today?

Faulding - I don't know how long we're going to be here. We'll probably be up here, operationally, probably for the next three or four days working. We'll do what we can for the family and to assist Lancashire Police as well so...

Reporter - And how often do you get requests like you have from Paul?

Faulding - We get a request a fair amount from families when they can't find loved ones.

Reporter - How often do you commit to them like this?

Faulding - It's very difficult operationally sometimes. We help occasionally with requests but it's very very difficult because we're an operational team, but this week we've got a free'ish diary so I could put resources up here and we are not charging. To make it clear we are not charging the police or the family for this operation and the family have actually, kindly accommodated us with some friends. So that's made our life a lot easier to be fair.

Reporter - And do you believe that she is in this water?

Faulding - I do believe she's in here, from the evidence we've got at the moment. I mean, that is what everything is pointing to the river at the moment. And there's no, there doesn't seem to be a third party involved.
Thanks so much for transcribing that.
The last part is particularly interesting.

Faulding - I do believe she's in here, from the evidence we've got at the moment. I mean, that is what everything is pointing to the river at the moment. And there's no, there doesn't seem to be a third party involved.

I wonder..
 
  • #842
Libby Squire's body was in the river Hull for 7 weeks before she was very fortunately seen and retrieved just entering the sea. It was the same time of year. She vanished 31st January and similar weather conditions. I think the river Hull is a bit longer and tidal. The conditions in the two rivers could be different. Let's just hope that if very sadly NB is in the river she moves slowly like Libby and is found before the sea.
That’s heartbreaking.

I do know when gases develop in drowned victims they usually resurface, but when they do is dependant on many things. I’m guessing they may resurface once they enter the sea due to it being more salty and buoyant.

It’s just all too unbearable and hearwrenching.

But whatever happened, and if NB has succumbed to the water I’m sure she lost consciousness extremely quickly and it knew very little as it happened.
 
  • #843
it's 9.10 am on their map at the same link but it does also have this caveat

'9.10am (approximately) – A witness – somebody who knows Nicola – saw her on the upper field walking her dog, Willow. Work is ongoing today to establish exactly what time this was.

9.20- Her phone was back in the area of the bench'

So they are really not confirming the 9:10am sighting as an accurate time as yet, work is ongoing to establish what time.

Are they trying to be tricky at this point, give a certain person a little fright?

I think they are essentially saying the phone and her may not have been together afterall as her phone and her cannot both be at bench at 9:20am if she was also at upper field at 9:20am especially since they were certain they used tracking on phone to show it at the bench at 9:20am.

I just feel with the mistakes made on the appeal page before they wouldn’t surely make another mistake.[/url]
 
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Is this clear?

From latest update today:


9.20- Her phone was back in the area of the bench

9.30am – The Teams call ended but Nicola stayed logged on

9.33am (approximately) – Nicola’s mobile phone and Willow were found at a bench by the river by another dog-walker.

Nowhere does it say her phone was found *on* the bench.
It says it here
 
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Do we know if the search has finished for today? And do we know how much of the river they managed to search?
Not sure if North West Underwater & Marine have finished today but did see comment from Faulding that his team had finished for the day. I assume it's too dark now but IDK
 
  • #846
I never willingly turn on camera or microphone on teams.
I’ve had the Covid years conducting Uni seminars on Teams. On average less than 10 % of students put their cameras on. They are asked to, but it can be a difficult ask for those - ahem - doing other things , or those who have anxiety They are meant to be muted if not saying anything because sometimes you get interference with the audio feed if more than a couple of people have mics on. Even in meetings with colleagues several will be off camera as a rule.

Edited re typos
 
  • #847
Thanks so much for transcribing that.
The last part is particularly interesting.

Faulding - I do believe she's in here, from the evidence we've got at the moment. I mean, that is what everything is pointing to the river at the moment. And there's no, there doesn't seem to be a third party involved.

I wonder..
Don't leave us hanging. Curious as to what you're wondering?
 
  • #848
I'm not sure of that myself. I took it to mean from river path to field, to Allotment Lane to Garstang Road. What I didn't know is there is a path through The Grapes pub to Garstang Road. I read it earlier but unfortunately I didn't make a note of the link. But I thought the Grapes was on Blackpool Lane. I don't have local knowledge unfortunately.
I don't either and I could swear I saw a photo but I can't find it.. I think the photo came with a question from a poster asking a question but I couldn't swear whether it was here or Twitter
 
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Don't leave us hanging. Curious as to what you're wondering?
2 things
1 whether they are being tasked with finding evidence other than a body
2 kinda makes moot 1 if he doesn't believe there is third party involvement, I wonder what he knows..
Muddy thinking.
 
  • #850
When you look online it underlines just how many people have drowned trying to save a dog from a river just in recent times. Most pet owners would enter the water if they thought their pet dog was in trouble and often the dog will swim to safety.
 
  • #851
I'm not sure of that myself. I took it to mean from river path to field, to Allotment Lane to Garstang Road. What I didn't know is there is a path through The Grapes pub to Garstang Road. I read it earlier but unfortunately I didn't make a note of the link. But I thought the Grapes was on Blackpool Lane. I don't have local knowledge unfortunately.
I don't think local knowledge clears this up particularly. I don't think the police are using local knowledge but are just looking at internet maps, and those are not consistent.
 
  • #852
I think it's more likely that they can't pinpoint via cell tower triangulation to that extent

It's in 'the area of the bench' but even the most sophisticated tech won't be able to pinpoint if it was on the bench, right next to it, under it.
That's my understanding of where the tech is at - happy to be corrected
I remember all that "ping" info in the Corrie dustbin lorry case. They followed his phone by the pings even though I'm sure it was off or crushed.
 
  • #853
I think it's more likely that they can't pinpoint via cell tower triangulation to that extent

It's in 'the area of the bench' but even the most sophisticated tech won't be able to pinpoint if it was on the bench, right next to it, under it.
That's my understanding of where the tech is at - happy to be corrected

Oh no they were sure - infact the timeline isn’t disputing the 9:20am phone at bench only the 9:10am timing at upper field.

9:20 - Her phone was back in the area of the bench

The phone at the bench is one of the reason they concentrated the search there.

 
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Is this clear?

From latest update today:


9.20- Her phone was back in the area of the bench

9.30am – The Teams call ended but Nicola stayed logged on

9.33am (approximately) – Nicola’s mobile phone and Willow were found at a bench by the river by another dog-walker.

Nowhere does it say her phone was found *on* the bench.
Yeah. I have been under the impression that the phone was discovered by the second walker on the bench. Which would be usual to me. I’ve also heard it was on the floor.

What did the second walker say about where they found it? On the bench or on the floor?

Being on the floor is less usual and worries more.

The latest statement doesn’t seem to specify, which indicates they don’t know for sure.
 
  • #855
I don't think local knowledge clears this up particularly. I don't think the police are using local knowledge but are just looking at internet maps, and those are not consistent.
It must be on Google earth tho'?
 
  • #856
I don't either and I could swear I saw a photo but I can't find it.. I think the photo came with a question from a poster asking a question but I couldn't swear whether it was here or Twitter
I sympathise. The threads are so many and the links, screenshots, and videos as well that it makes your head spin.
 
  • #857
I do also wonder whether it's possible to get data directly from Fitbit, either from their servers or somehow remotely off the Fitbit, without it needing to have synced to the phone. Not 100% certain though.
It could also be that they have data that it tried to pair with other devices in the following days, even with a searchers phone. The company may be able to access where the watch tried to pair. Just my opinion/thoughts.
 
  • #858
For anyone who missed this further back in the thread, a new photo has been today released showing NB and Willow heading to the car on that day, so presumably another one from NB's own doorbell-camera footage. I'm still surprised there's been no other pictures released by the police.
There has been no mention of the car, where is it now?
 
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Ok so she starts off on walk at 8.43am after dropping her two children off at school.
7 mins later meets another dog walker who then leaves Nicola via river path.
8.53 and she sends an email to her boss at Exclusively Mortgages. <modsnip> Must have taken her at least 1 min to type it up? So she has been pretty busy for the duration of the walk so far.
7 mins later she dials into the Teams work meeting.
I wonder who out there might know she is going to be on her headphones listening in to a meeting … out on a dog walk. It does, after all, make her pretty vulnerable. And I’m not trying to point any fingers at family members who are accounted for, as we know.
I didn’t read she was wearing headphones. I read she usually put her phone on loudspeaker.
 
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