Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #6

[Mycroft42]

Nicola Bulley was 'laughing and joking' just minutes before she vanished article where the woman mentions seeing the harness and says a bloke following with his dog found the Phone on the floor about two feet from the bench …

Thanks - I knew I'd read the phone was discovered by the tree somewhere!

That whole article is a mass of unclear and contradictory statements and there are numerous people mentioned in the article which don't tie in with the police timeline.

It appears to be someone (friend of NB) telling a journalist about things she's been told by various people so hardly going to be 100% accurate but it's very confusing.

Who was there when Willow was discovered? Where was NB seen 'laughing and joking'? When?

Where was the phone? On the bench or by the tree?

Who discovered it? Female businesswoman or a man?

Was the businesswoman alone or with someone else?

 

[in2thegate]

Nicola Bulley conspiracy theories condemned amid river search – latest

Police believe that the mother of two fell into the River Wyre while walking her dog nearby

www.independent.co.uk

 

[jackal67]

Thank you, can't see how can that determine NB wasn't there at say 9:25 .

We cant. There is the missing 10 minutes between 9.20 and when the witness found the dog running loose and the phone on the bench

 

[in2thegate]

‘If we can’t find Nicola Bulley in next three to four days, she’s not here,’ says rescue firm chief​

The head of the specialist diving company joining the search appears to have sought to temper expectations somewhat, shortly after appearing to suggest that his team’s sonar equipment could find Nicola Bulley within minutes if her body is in the River Wyre.
“We are dealing with about 10 drownings every summer. We always locate within the hour,” Peter Faulding told the paper.
But shortly after arriving in St Michael’s on Wyre, Mr Faulding told reporters that it was a “particularly long” stretch of river to search and that his team was bringing a "back-up resource" for the police.
He added: “If we can’t find her in the next three or four days in this river, if she’s not here, then I’m confident that she’s not in this stretch of river. I’d be very confident of that.
“We are going to be working our hardest, we’ll probably be working under darkness tonight for a while and that’s my intention to help the family.”

Quotes from the specialist diving team there today - from the independent.

Nicola Bulley conspiracy theories condemned amid river search – latest

Police believe that the mother of two fell into the River Wyre while walking her dog nearby

www.independent.co.uk

 

[themagiceye]

The fact PF has changed his mind to suggest he now believes she is most likely in the river, suggests he has seen police evidence to support the theory, which we are not privy to. If so, is there any reason they won't share that? I know they hold things back, but just wonder for what purpose? And of course what the hell it might be.

Or he's been briefed to keep with the official investigation narrative because the police are still looking at an alternative, or non public one. PF telling the media otherwise will just fan the flames of of the unconvinced/conspiracy seeking public.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

It happens in every case on Websleuths. People always decide that the police are inept and have concluded too soon and got it wrong. I think it must be human nature. Lots of people on here seem to struggle with the idea thar someone could fall into a river, yet we know that it happens a lot. And lots of people have tried to construct an intricate narrative explaining why she might have been that close to the edge. But it could have been anything. Humans are fallible and life is nuanced.

Yes, it happens in every case where the body is not immediately found. Had Nicola been recovered in the first couple of days, it wouldn’t even have made national news let alone a thread here!

Trouble is, people get impatient until theories run ever wilder. We’re all guilty of it at times, but this thread is no different to thousands of others before it.

People have accidents; not every disappearance is suspicious.

 

[Tanzanite]

If- as suggested up(earlier)thread - there was some initial LE reluctance to bring in this company to river search, one thing crossed my mind this morning. It's a series of 'If's' and I don't think I'm personally on board with this theory, but just thinking out loud.

IF - as other posters have indicated - LE are playing a long game with trying to draw in a suspected perp, but very quickly and emphatically saying that NB entered the water and that's their conclusion - this company very publicly declaring that they have the best equipment and it WILL find NB if she's there, is arguably what they don't want (if LE doesn't think she's there, and they're trying to reel someone in).

IF NB is not found with this super-spec equipment, it leans into the other belief that she's not there at all. Of course, that would be unreasonable, but one might imagine this very public intervention by this company might resonate with the public and build the perceived case that LE have got it wrong.

IF that happens, then public attention will turn more demandingly to the 3rd party theory and questions about what LE have done about finding a 3rd party and WHY they were so convinced NB was in the water at all. How much would that mess with their undisclosed investigation into a 3rd party?

But what could LE do? This company was very publicly offering help that wasn't available otherwise, for free - LE couldn't exactly refuse, but LE's cards-close-to-chest undeclared investigation might account for not rushing this option in earlier. They were backed into a corner, so to speak.

Anyway, a bunch of If's like I said. I'm being Devil's Advocate here, as it's not really my own POV, but there's some alignment with some views expressed here over the days since NB disappeared.


My view remains that NB entered the water that day, this company coming in is a good thing, and I hope she is found swiftly now, for the sake of her poor family.

 

[jackal67]

Thanks - I knew I'd read the phone was discovered by the tree somewhere!

That whole article is a mass of unclear and contradictory statements and there are numerous people mentioned in the article which don't tie in with the police timeline.

It appears to be someone (friend of NB) telling a journalist about things she's been told by various people so hardly going to be 100% accurate but it's very confusing.

Who was there when Willow was discovered? Where was NB seen 'laughing and joking'? When?

Where was the phone? On the bench or by the tree?

Who discovered it? Female businesswoman or a man?

Was the businesswoman alone or with someone else?

Exactly. I would not put any faith in that article. The latest police press conference statement is the only one I am going by . All the other articles are very contradictory and cannot be taken as fact. MOO

 

[DazN]

We cant. There is the missing 10 minutes between 9.20 and when the witness found the dog running loose and the phone on the bench

There is also the 70 minutes between 9:33am when the dog was found and 10:50am when PA / Police were informed.

 

[Beginnersleuth]

Please forgive me if this has already been mentioned. Im struggling to keep up with thread due to the many repetitive comments.

I note that the description of Nicolas clothing broadcast in MSM on the early days of her going missing are stating that her jackets / outer clothing were black and her jeans were black.

However, the doorbell camera stills clearly show that she is wearing Blue olm, ,uterclothing and Blue denim jeans.

This reminds me of the Claudia Lawrence case when police circulated a picture of her with the totally wrong hair colour.

How can this error be made. I appreciate that sometimes navy blue can appear black, but on the doorbell footage, the coat is clearly Blue as are the denims.
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Can anyone help me on this please?

Source:

Nicola Bulley: First images released of dog walker on day she vanished - as private underwater rescue team joins search

New CCTV pictures from Friday 27 January show her loading her car outside her home before driving her two children to school.

news.sky.com

It’s just the photo quality.

 

[ayrshireguy]

SGI and Peter work with the police and are the official police marine search team in southeast England.

He might have been given additional information by the police - i.e. Fitbit data - to suggest a river incident.

 

[Sarahaddison14]

River where 'strong swimmer' Nicola went missing has 'very little flow' - expert

Experts have been discussing the river where missing dog walker Nicola Bulley, described by friends as a 'strong swimmer', was last seen, claiming: 'It’s moving very slowly'

www.dailystar.co.uk

“The river wasn’t under floods and you can see from those shots…that river has very little flow on it," he said "Yes, it ebbs and weaves around corners but there is very little flow on that river."

 

[Woodburnbay]

I feel the reason that people are challenging police on this being a fall in the river is because they announced this very early on and following that announcement, they were still looking for witnesses and dash cam / doorbell cam footage.

It is most unlikely that they would find a witness saying "I saw her fall in" and so they must want to talk to witnesses to try and rule out other possibilities, which they appear to already have dismissed.

In communication, it is important to stick to a line and not send out other messages, which the police have.

Having said this, I do believe the the SIO, she is doing a very good job.

 

[Fishwick]

If- as suggested up(earlier)thread - there was some initial LE reluctance to bring in this company to river search, one thing crossed my mind this morning. It's a series of 'If's' and I don't think I'm personally on board with this theory, but just thinking out loud.

IF - as other posters have indicated - LE are playing a long game with trying to draw in a suspected perp, but very quickly and emphatically saying that NB entered the water and that's their conclusion - this company very publicly declaring that they have the best equipment and it WILL find NB if she's there, is arguably what they don't want (if LE doesn't think she's there, and they're trying to reel someone in).

IF NB is not found with this super-spec equipment, it leans into the other belief that she's not there at all. Of course, that would be unreasonable, but one might imagine this very public intervention by this company might resonate with the public and build the perceived case that LE have got it wrong.

IF that happens, then public attention will turn more demandingly to the 3rd party theory and questions about what LE have done about finding a 3rd party and WHY they were so convinced NB was in the water at all. How much would that mess with their undisclosed investigation into a 3rd party?

But what could LE do? This company was very publicly offering help that wasn't available otherwise, for free - LE couldn't exactly refuse, but LE's cards-close-to-chest undeclared investigation might account for not rushing this option in earlier. They were backed into a corner, so to speak.

Anyway, a bunch of If's like I said. I'm being Devil's Advocate here, as it's not really my own POV, but there's some alignment with some views expressed here over the days since NB disappeared.


My view remains that NB entered the water that day, this company coming in is a good thing, and I hope she is found swiftly now, for the sake of her poor family.

This has been covered before but faking a river search with all the associated costs, diversion of police time and potential risk to divers seems unlikely.

 

[Fishwick]

I feel the reason that people are challenging police on this being a fall in the river is because they announced this very early on and following that announcement, they were still looking for witnesses and dash cam / doorbell cam footage.

It is most unlikely that they would find a witness saying "I saw her fall in" and so they must want to talk to witnesses to try and rule out other possibilities, which they appear to already have dismissed.

In communication, it is important to stick to a line and not send out other messages, which the police have.

Having said this, I do believe the the SIO, she is doing a very good job.

They think she fell into the river as there's no evidence of anything else (in addition to timings, location of items etc).

There's nothing confusing - they've not dismissed other options - just have one main hypothesis and are exploring other possibilities.

 

[Beginnersleuth]

If- as suggested up(earlier)thread - there was some initial LE reluctance to bring in this company to river search, one thing crossed my mind this morning. It's a series of 'If's' and I don't think I'm personally on board with this theory, but just thinking out loud.

IF - as other posters have indicated - LE are playing a long game with trying to draw in a suspected perp, but very quickly and emphatically saying that NB entered the water and that's their conclusion - this company very publicly declaring that they have the best equipment and it WILL find NB if she's there, is arguably what they don't want (if LE doesn't think she's there, and they're trying to reel someone in).

IF NB is not found with this super-spec equipment, it leans into the other belief that she's not there at all. Of course, that would be unreasonable, but one might imagine this very public intervention by this company might resonate with the public and build the perceived case that LE have got it wrong.

IF that happens, then public attention will turn more demandingly to the 3rd party theory and questions about what LE have done about finding a 3rd party and WHY they were so convinced NB was in the water at all. How much would that mess with their undisclosed investigation into a 3rd party?

But what could LE do? This company was very publicly offering help that wasn't available otherwise, for free - LE couldn't exactly refuse, but LE's cards-close-to-chest undeclared investigation might account for not rushing this option in earlier. They were backed into a corner, so to speak.

Anyway, a bunch of If's like I said. I'm being Devil's Advocate here, as it's not really my own POV, but there's some alignment with some views expressed here over the days since NB disappeared.


My view remains that NB entered the water that day, this company coming in is a good thing, and I hope she is found swiftly now, for the sake of her poor family.

Agree, if there was any other investigation trying to lure someone into a false sense of security then it’s been a bit messed up IMO
What will be will be.
In river has always been the most likely despite all the questions & with so much discrepancy in the story from the start to know it’s difficult for us to try to reason. IMO the police haven’t been rubbish, have done more than we realise and haven’t released all details.
I really hope NB does return home or they find her soon.

 

[Dan Cooper]

I’m also basing it on known actions events leading up to Friday am.

Being what, exactly?

 

[RichardKimble]

I feel the reason that people are challenging police on this being a fall in the river is because they announced this very early on and following that announcement, they were still looking for witnesses and dash cam / doorbell cam footage.

It is most unlikely that they would find a witness saying "I saw her fall in" and so they must want to talk to witnesses to try and rule out other possibilities, which they appear to already have dismissed.

In communication, it is important to stick to a line and not send out other messages, which the police have.

Having said this, I do believe the the SIO, she is doing a very good job.

Theres likely to be three options , abduction, unlikely because from what has been gathered there are no reports of any suspicious characters around and no evidence to back this up, up and did a runner, seems unlikely leaving falling in the river, if this is the case then it would be a poor show if every effort was not made to follow this through.

 

[tulip182]

Isn’t there a kissing gate behind the bench with the stile to the side? Or has the stile been replaced with another kissing gate.
It’s why I wondered about the phone.
If the msm reports quoting witnesses are correct and the phone was on the floor, was it near the stile. I.E had it fallen out of a pocket or been dropped as NB went over the stile. The vehicle tracks (if that’s what they are) shown in pictures from the drone footage in previous threads were on the land accessed via the stile.
This area appears to be partially separated from the caravan park path by a hedge. It leads to the weir where there is then access to Allotment lane via 2 gates on a track near the weir.

 

[martinwatts5]

Can you point me in the direction of where this info. has been changed please?

The Lancs Live Facebook video suggested the dog was found between the bench and the river, then the dog was found further away, then the dog was not even found until after the alarm. LE have also put out info which has been posted on this thread saying between the bench and gate.