Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #6

[GTB72]

New CCTV Footage/Image - New photo of mum & dog from day she vanished is released as cops give update

Good map from link.

 

[kittythehare]

I couldn’t agree more!

He has raised the poor heartbroken family’s hopes to massage his own ego and raise his profile.

It’s cruel in tye extreme to raise hopes she isn’t in the river, when quite frankly - he’s clueless.

Yes, you make great valid points and none of us know if NB had a jealous unhinged rival. Anything is possible.

You’re also spot on about witnesses: just look at Ian Huntley who was a witness to the Soham murders…as it happens, I suspected him immediately and I believe the police did too. But he was a witness at first. <modsnip> It can’t be discounted…

I’ve always thought this was a simple but tragic accident, though reading your post and digesting your very valid points has made me wonder.

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[SpursGyal]

I live very local to barrowford. I can’t help but think of the case (also very local to me) of Lindsey Birbeck who went missing. Similar age to NB. Who they got for that murder doesn’t sit well with me.<modsnip>

Lindsay’s case has come to me a lot in this case, not all that far away, maintaining no criminal act/third party, up until her body was found in an area they had already searched. Daylight, walking a popular area not far from her home.

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[Belleville]

Yes, I don't know what to think about the police's actions on this one. They did seem a bit slow to act, particularly in the first 3 days, and have also been unclear with some of their statements regarding whether the phone was left on the ground or on the bench, and a few other details. Also, saying they "think" she went into the water came across as a bit amateur.

Slow??? They were there straight away with boats and diving equipment. Just because we didn't know every detail doesn't mean they were slow, they obviously thought she's in the river.

 

[poirotoupierrot]

I read today that the phone was found ON the bench next the river. If she was on whatever online call (with camera off), could someone have approached her from behind as she was sitting on the bench?! Awful to think about I know.

If they have asked someone who is occupying property across the river or nearby, that would make sense as they would have to be close to cover their tracks. Some experts have said that the river doesn't always show the movements of people around - being often made sheer by wet surfaces and mud etc.

If she's not in the river there must be someone nearby, with knowledge of the area involved I feel. They asked for possible dashcam footage. Do they suspect someone could have accessed the area from the road?

Also, bearing in mind her timeline and the number of people she spoke to before she took the dog for a walk, several people would have known where she was walking. Even people talking to other, unknown people. If another person is involved in her disappearance they could have found her by hearsay.

I really hope she returns, but if not, I hope it was a quick fall and a not-knowing. The family must utterly distraught. I'm just sick of women disappearing and no-one knowing where they've gone. How long is this going to carry on for before society sorts out attitudes towards women?

 

[kittythehare]

Read what I said again.

I read it the first time.
'Quite a few people have said something like "surely XYZ place will have been searched" (e.g. referring to the caravan site). IMO, and going on the words of the presser where the police SIO Riley said the search "included open ground, empty buildings and their gardens". Here's the key point, the police simply cannot and will not search a private property (which includes the caravan site) without a warrant. Given that the police appear very confident this was as accident, have never mentioned a suspect, I think it is highly, HIGHLY unlikely that any private property has been searched'
What makes you believe they don't have warrants?

Slow??? They were there straight away with boats and diving equipment. Just because we didn't know every detail doesn't mean they were slow, they obviously thought she's in the river.

They were really really fast in this case, had divers in the water within hours.

 

[wackyw]

Ok I’m just going by my Apple Maps application. It would make sense that they don’t have any CCTV of her aswell because that is a blackspot so wouldn’t have any of her entering the towpath either. JMO.

Yes, this whole Blackpool Rd/Lane, Garstang Lane/Road thing is a PITA

We don't know they didn't have CCTV of her entering the area, they just might have not released it because there was no benefit in it for them, why invite further distraction for something they already knew for sure?

I'm fairly sure the CCTV black spot was to the north onto Garstang Road. I'll see if I can find more on that though.

 

[Sillybilly]

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[Sarahaddison14]

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[EyeSpyU]

IMO

The amount of publicly available information regarding NB, her walk routines etc combined with the 'local knowledge' a 'local' would have dampens the sophistication level required but generally agree with you.

That’s another point you’ve raised that I hadn’t thought of.

NB did that walk hundreds if not a thousand odd times, so surely she’d be aware of the dangers of walking down that slippery deep slope? You can see just by the photos it’s extremely hazardous.

 

[Denominator]

Noted that if someone were to fall into even shallow cold water they would need to find a way to exit within minutes before being affected by cold water shock. Cold Water Shock – the Facts

Spinkstein said:I think you need to read that more carefully.

Hi @Spinkstein to be more specific the first seconds during sudden immersion in cold water can be particularly dangerous in terms of drowning risk due a massive increase in breathing rate combined with the innate inability during those intial seconds to be able to hold one's breath. If one gets through the first minutes until breathing rate stabilises then the clock is ticking as blood is diverted away from the extremities (arms and legs) leading to loss of ability to coordinate limb movement.

 

[Noseyjosey]

I'm sure he said 'that they could cover 10 miles in 1 day'.
He seems a determined character, 'we do not fail'.

Mr.Faulding found my daughters friend in a Kent tidal river a few years ago. His knowledge is amazing & so is their equipment. I have every faith in him & his team. If they don't locate her. The river can be ruled out for sure.

 

[Belleville]

Quite a few people have said something like "surely XYZ place will have been searched" (e.g. referring to the caravan site). IMO, and going on the words of the presser where the police SIO Riley said the search "included open ground, empty buildings and their gardens". Here's the key point, the police simply cannot and will not search a private property (which includes the caravan site) without a warrant. Given that the police appear very confident this was as accident, have never mentioned a suspect, I think it is highly, HIGHLY unlikely that any private property has been searched.

They will have gone door to door though and asked if they could have a quick look around. Obviously if somebody said no, they'd look suspicious. Then a warrant may be needed.

 

[annpats]

Slow??? They were there straight away with boats and diving equipment. Just because we didn't know every detail doesn't mean they were slow, they obviously thought she's in the river.

They didn't start searching with divers until day 3 or 4.
People in wetsuits wading in pulling a dinghy isn't quite the same if a body is underwater.

 

[poirotoupierrot]

Lindsay’s case has come to me a lot in this case, not all that far away, maintaining no criminal act/third party, up until her body was found in an area they had already searched. Daylight, walking a popular area not far from her home.

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This, from Moment a 16-year-old killer drags a woman's body in a wheelie bin:

"After two days of questioning, Price came up with a prepared statement via his lawyer to explain his movements between the Coppice – where police believe Lindsay was murdered – and the cemetery where her body was recovered.

It began: 'Rocky Marciano Price, can say that I am not involved in Lindsay Birbeck's murder.

'However, I was approached by a white male, who speaks English, who offered me a large sum of money to move the body.'

Price stood trial in January 2020, pleading not guilty to murder. "

Is it possible a murderer got someone else to do things for him in this earlier case, and now has either done it all himself or has done the same? Again, an awful thought - but involving other people is one way to avoid discovery.

 

[EyeSpyU]

I have always thought that an empty caravan site at this time of year is a good place to search.
I appreciate that it is supposed to be closed but what better time to hide someone there at this time of year.

Willow would have followed her had she gone to the caravan park…and would definitely have barked furiously had she been attacked. She certainly would have hung around the bench.

 

[LuluR38]

It’s here I think - the path she entered on. IMO.
Shows Garstang road on Apple Maps and Blackpool lane on google maps.

Here?

 

[cottonweaver]

Quite a few people have said something like "surely XYZ place will have been searched" (e.g. referring to the caravan site). IMO, and going on the words of the presser where the police SIO Riley said the search "included open ground, empty buildings and their gardens". Here's the key point, the police simply cannot and will not search a private property (which includes the caravan site) without a warrant. Given that the police appear very confident this was as accident, have never mentioned a suspect, I think it is highly, HIGHLY unlikely that any private property has been searched.

They have done empty caravans if that helps
'..... as well as any empty caravans in the vicinity.'

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[Cuko]

They have its in the new police statement Lancashire Constabulary - Missing Nicola Bulley - latest update

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[supersleuth123]

So they've narrowed it down somewhat. I interpret "the river path that leads from the fields back to Garstang road" as being THE path that has featured in almost all the video walkthroughs, whose narrow entrance is right by the bridge. It's obvious (IMO) from Google Maps that this entrance doesn't have CCTV, and it's right by the main road which explains why they want dashcam footage.

What is strange though is that they CAN account for her entering by that path (via witnesses, presumably), but CAN'T account for her leaving by there, and THEREFORE she must be in the river. That seems like a fairly big leap to me.