Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #7

[Belleville]

I think this is a very good point made by Mark Williams-Thomas

https://twitter.com/x/status/1622872471622885376

Suppose if you did find a phone, you'd put it on a bench near a gate that takes you away from the area, thinking the owner would come back looking for it.

 

[heatherc]

I agree dropping it makes more sense. But phones can easily be tracked, so why take something that can show your location. It's just something else for them to worry about and dispose of.

Or could dispose of the phone in the river..

 

[martinwatts5]

The Superintendent said the phone was found on the beach at 09:20 “Through telephony enquiries that we've done, relative to the phone itself, rather than through a witness.”

So, it was found on the bench at 09:20

Their latest update says ‘in the bench area’. Maybe there is no certainty? Though you would expect the person who found it to remember.

 

[Just-a-random-girl]

I think it's possible they are looking too close to the bench. I would imagine the dive specialists really know their stuff but one of my relatives drowned in a river (before I was born) and travelled quite far. It was known exactly where they went under (several witnesses) and the body surfaced seven miles away within 4-5 days.

 

[mrjitty]

EDIT - the comment in the press conference about "sorry, not found on the bench" is the Supt correcting herself on the timings of events, not the location of the phone. It's clear what she is referring to when you watch the video.

RSBM

Bumping this - because numerous posters seem to be overlooking the nunace.

The person quoted in the news report as saying it was on the ground is not the person who found the phone.

Therefore, given the police have likely interviewed those 2 witnesses vey carefully, I think we should go with the police summary. Why would the police believe the phone was found on the bench if the male witness was saying to them it was found on the ground? In other words, I don't think he has said that.

What is clear is based on phone movement data, the phone did not move between 9.20 and 9.33

 

[Nikynoo]

The phone being on the ground does change the perception for me. But then maybe the dog knocked it off in the panic, sniffing around. Possible.

I don't think someone would place it on the ground as a decoy. More likely to be placed on the bench to be a decoy, which seems more normal to me.

To be dropped by NB would suggest she saw something so important to her that she dropped her phone, or was running from something.

BBM. Good point.

 

[mrjitty]

Again, IMO the caravan site is a key area here - where are the sniffer dogs? As another user has said, have they been through every room in every area nearby the scene?

RSBM

Seeing as the UK is not a police state, law enforcement cannot do this without PC

 

[Mycroft42]

Their latest update says ‘in the bench area’. Maybe there is no certainty? Though you would expect the person who found it to remember.

We have no statement from the the person who found it - only info from a journalist who spoke to one of NB's friends who had allegedly spoken to the woman at 9:33am.

I've not seen anywhere any info directly from the man who is alleged to have come into the field after 9:33 woman - and I don't even think the police mention him at all anywhere.

 

[JeremyBentham]

Or could dispose of the phone in the river..

Yes, that's true. But depends on what was going on. If there was a struggle, did they want to stop to pick up a phone to throw it, and risk her getting loose, or just get out of there quickly without being seen.

 

[bringmeacupoft]

Re: the phone I have a jacket where the angle of the pockets mean my phone falls out at every single opportunity. I know most likely NB had her phone on loudspeaker so unlikely to be in her pocket. Just highlighting the literal many reasons the phone could be on the floor vs bench, not all nefarious.

IMO there are too many variables/scenarios around the phone for it to count for evidence as foul play in the absence of anything else.

 

[todders]

RSBM

Bumping this - because numerous posters seem to be overlooking the nunace.

The person quoted in the news report as saying it was on the ground is not the person who found the phone.

Therefore, given the police have likely interviewed those 2 witnesses vey carefully, I think we should go with the police summary. Why would the police believe the phone was found on the bench if the male witness was saying to them it was found on the ground? In other words, I don't think he has said that.

What is clear is based on phone movement data, the phone did not move between 9.20 and 9.33

This should be pinned to the start of every new thread.IMO

 

[Nikynoo]

does anyone know how long it takes to do the route that N supposedly took?

 

[Fishwick]

The Superintendent said the phone was found on the beach at 09:20 “Through telephony enquiries that we've done, relative to the phone itself, rather than through a witness.”

So, it was found on the bench at 09:20

At the risk of the phone location being a neverending discussion point - it wasn't found at 9.20. It was found at 9.33 - and they believe it was there since 9.20 (based on 'telephony data' - I imagine triangulation).

 

[brownbeef1975]

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This statement is very clear. Two people saw it on the ground. Two witnesses.

If NB was at the bench and witness accounts are accurate, and the phone and other dog related were on the ground, then it does suggest she either:

1. Was abducted
2. Had a medical episode that meant she collapsed and then rolled into the water

We clearly have no further evidence to support either theory. The placement of the phone is significant - if NB was in that area, and it was on the bench then it suggests relative normality when it was placed there followed by a very abnormal event that meant she couldn't return to it. If it was on the ground, then it suggests the abnormal event took place whilst the phone was in her hand.

All of the above presupposes that NB was at the bench area. If her body is found upstream, then rip it up and start again because we are in an entirely different world that will start to involve police investigating POIs I'd imagine.

 

[wens67]

When I'm reading the time line I'm confused. When the first person found the phone, lead and harness at the bench did they, also find Willow? It's just Willow is then mentioned, at the second time running agitated between the bench, and the gate. If Willow wasn't initially found where was she?

 

[I wonder]

The Superintendent said the phone was found on the beach at 09:20 “Through telephony enquiries that we've done, relative to the phone itself, rather than through a witness.”

So, it was found on the bench at 09:20

I had no idea anyone could determine the location of a mobile phone exactly. I thought it was far less specific in terms of location. I’m highly impressed. That must make a phenomenal difference to missing person cases. If someone has a phone on them, they’ll be found. I’m thinking this may be the same tracking information that I use to enable my location to be tracked. I believe people have to specifically enable tracking.

Even so, I had no idea it could place the phone to the inch. When I’ve lost my phone and checked it’s location, it simply states it’s just somewhere in the house. I lose my phone all the time, so need this amazing technology myself!

 

[DazN]

This should be pinned to the start of every new thread.IMO

Fair enough but it doesn't help when the official statement is so confusing:

"the last confirmed sighting and at 9:20, when Nicola's phone was found on the bench... sorry, not found on the bench, Nicola's phone was on the bench believed to be on the bench found at around 9:33"

MOO

 

[Bluesleuth66]

Why on earth is this guy talking to media about quizzing the partner regarding stalkers etc. He's there to search the river, not investigate. Someone needs to put a leash on him.

I had been wondering this morning if anyone had seen any weird lights in the sky that day...

 

[Fishwick]

I had no idea anyone could determine the location of a mobile phone exactly. I thought it was far less specific in terms of location. I’m highly impressed. That must make a phenomenal difference to missing person cases. If someone has a phone on them, they’ll be found. I’m thinking this may be the same tracking information that I use to enable my location to be tracked. I believe people have to specifically enable tracking.

Even so, I had no idea it could place the phone to the inch. When I’ve lost my phone and checked it’s location, it simply states it’s just somewhere in the house. I lose my phone all the time, so need this amazing technology myself!

How do you think GPS works? It's not exact, but it's pretty close.

 

[Markepson]

Suppose if you did find a phone, you'd put it on a bench near a gate that takes you away from the area, thinking the owner would come back looking for it.

Good point but what about the dog ?