Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #8

[Firstsnow4]

She could have exited after 9.20 am.
This is the only exit for which they never had CCTV.
They have covered all the other exits and they know she did not leave .
This is the last possible- 700 motorists tracked and contacted.... seriously determined investigation.
And if none of them have dashcam or saw anything there will always be a question there... she could have left that way, left Willow at other side of gate..

Yes I know she could have exited after 9.20am but if that’s the case why are police asking for dashcam footage between 9.10-9.15am? I was responding to @Lady Stoddart-West who was saying that she believes no foul play and that NB left willingly via that exit and that’s why they are asking for dashcam. How could Nicola have exited Garstang lane path between 9.10-9.15am when she was in the upper field at 9.10am and the phone was at the bench at 9.20am. That would imply it can only be third party with someone else placing the phone & Willow at the bench because NB could not have been there with the phone at 9.20am and exiting Garstang lane path at 9.10-9.15am. It doesn’t fit the timeline unless foul play involved. IMO.

 

[Firstsnow4]

They won’t just be looking for her leaving, they’ll also be looking to see if there were people in the area they haven’t yet spoken to. Hence the wider time frame. IMO

Yes I know but I was responding to a poster who had said she thinks they are looking to see if NB willingly left that exit at 9.10-9.15am. That wouldn’t fit with the times the police have given for her phone being at the bench at 9.20am unless foul play involved. IMO.

 

[infinit]

She could have exited after 9.20 am.
This is the only exit for which they never had CCTV.
They have covered all the other exits and they know she did not leave .
This is the last possible- 700 motorists tracked and contacted.... seriously determined investigation.
And if none of them have dashcam or saw anything there will always be a question there... she could have left that way, left Willow at other side of gate..

I agree. If she exited there either by choice or compelled - Where would she go? You'd expect some sightings of her walking on the road or of a vehicle parked in the vicinity of the exit. I know they want dashcam to solidify it but the presumable lack of sighting of anything doesn't suggest she left via that exit.

 

[zellner]

My mind is really wandering now... what if she was abducted and driven away from the car park without a working camera and dumped in the river further downstream. Please no throwing rotten fruit my way.

I have had the same thought. Person who watched Nicola do the same walk daily, abducted her, deliberately left phone on bench thinking this covers tracking, exited to the road without being filmed due to camera not working/ possibly deliberately damaged so dash cam footage needed to confirm, body entered river later on (perhaps police can glean something from Fitbit sync cutting off). Made to look like Nicola fell in/entered river at the bench and drifted downstream.

 

[kittythehare]

Yes I know she could have exited after 9.20am but if that’s the case why are police asking for dashcam footage between 9.10-9.15am? I was responding to @Lady Stoddart-West who was saying that she believes no foul play and that NB left willingly via that exit and that’s why they are asking for dashcam. How could Nicola have exited Garstang lane path between 9.10-9.15am when she was in the upper field at 9.10am and the phone was at the bench at 9.20am. That would imply it can only be third party with someone else placing the phone & Willow at the bench because NB could not have been there with the phone at 9.20am and exiting Garstang lane path at 9.10-9.15am. It doesn’t fit the timeline unless foul play involved. IMO.

What does the presser say? I didn't notice anything beyond key times

From Feb 6 update, not changed yesterday-

We can say with confidence that by reviewing CCTV, Nicola has not left the field during the key times via Rowanwater, either through the site itself or via the piece of land at the side.

Also, we can say that she did not return from the fields along Allotment Lane or via the path at the rear of the Grapes pub onto Garstang Road.

Our enquiries now focus on the river path which leads from the fields back to Garstang Road – for that we need drivers and cyclists who travelled that way on the morning of January 27 to make contact. We have already done a lot of work around this, but every piece of footage helps us build up a picture of movements on that morning.

We will be making contact with drivers, who we believe were travelling down Garstang Road that morning via letter. If you receive one of these letters and have dashcam footage, we would urge you to make contact using the dedicated email [email protected] so that a member of the enquiry team can make contact and review your footage to establish whether it assists. We would ask that only drivers that do have dashcam footage reply to this request.

Lancashire Constabulary - Missing Nicola Bulley - latest update

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lancashire.police.uk

 

[Miss_French]

That‘s exactly right. Was it a phone call or text message that she had shortly before logging on to the Teams call? Also, was it the night before she went missing that she had a meeting?

NB sent a text before the meeting, arranging a playdate:

Nicola Bulley sent friend 'playdate' text message 'minutes before she vanished'

"You wouldn’t have done that if you were going to get up and go missing"

www.lancs.live

 

[DazN]

Yes I know but I was responding to a poster who had said she thinks they are looking to see if NB willingly left that exit at 9.10-9.15am. That wouldn’t fit with the times the police have given for her phone being at the bench at 9.20am unless foul play involved. IMO.

JMO If NB avoided contact with the 9:33am witness (whether accidentally or on purpose), she had well over an hour to make her exit.

 

[GTB72]

I agree. If she exited there either by choice or compelled - Where would she go? You'd expect some sightings of her walking on the road or of a vehicle parked in the vicinity of the exit. I know they want dashcam to solidify it but the presumable lack of sighting of anything doesn't suggest she left via that exit.

Essentially the Police want the dashcam footage to firm up their hypothesis that she fell into the river. They dont want her to appear on any footage because that indicates 3rd party involvement.

 

[Firstsnow4]

What does the presser say? I didn't notice anything beyond key times

From Feb 6 update, not changed yesterday-

We can say with confidence that by reviewing CCTV, Nicola has not left the field during the key times via Rowanwater, either through the site itself or via the piece of land at the side.

Also, we can say that she did not return from the fields along Allotment Lane or via the path at the rear of the Grapes pub onto Garstang Road.

Our enquiries now focus on the river path which leads from the fields back to Garstang Road – for that we need drivers and cyclists who travelled that way on the morning of January 27 to make contact. We have already done a lot of work around this, but every piece of footage helps us build up a picture of movements on that morning.

We will be making contact with drivers, who we believe were travelling down Garstang Road that morning via letter. If you receive one of these letters and have dashcam footage, we would urge you to make contact using the dedicated email [email protected] so that a member of the enquiry team can make contact and review your footage to establish whether it assists. We would ask that only drivers that do have dashcam footage reply to this request.

Lancashire Constabulary - Missing Nicola Bulley - latest update

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lancashire.police.uk

It’s in the transcription of yesterdays presser, 5th bullet point down after second paragraph:

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[hedgetog]

This is my first post but I have been reading through the threads, have familiarised myself with the rules so hopefully my post is okay.

From the info that has been released by the police, correct me if I am wrong, what we know for sure is that NB dropped her children at school and that Willow and the phone ended up on/near the bench. The only evidence of her being in the area at all are witnesses, and this was in the top field and not in the vicinity of the bench? Have they appealed for dash cams or cctv for her entering the area? Not doubting the witness of course or suggesting she wasn't there at all, but to me an entry can tell as much as an exit/non exit.

I did find the addresses on company house interesting, don't think can share though as NB isn't listed on them? I don't think it suggests anything untoward to be clear, but just reiterates that she was familiar with the area- as also evidenced by her other public accounts. Not that it perhaps means much, I do wonder whether as with car accidents familiarity can sometimes cause more of a risk than somewhere new- JMO of course.

The discussion about the clothing, I have a long length gilet (I describe it as such as its allegedly ankle length but comes to my knee area as I'm pretty tall), just my experience even at that length it can impact on movement a bit, albeit makes tripping over it seem less likely, MOO. I think that's partly why cam footage of entering would be useful though, what someone wears when they leave home isn't necessarily what they wear on their walk, seems the witness was a fair distance away but 100% accuracy on knowing what she was wearing in the field would perhaps be useful- unless they do know this by means they haven't released. I certainly add items of clothing on once out of my car like hats, gloves, whatever else.

It is all very perplexing, more so as of course and rightly the police don't release everything.

 

[Firstsnow4]

Essentially the Police want the dashcam footage to firm up their hypothesis that she fell into the river. They dont want her to appear on any footage because that indicates 3rd party involvement.

Thankyou - I was trying to explain to another poster who was saying that she thinks they are looking to see if NB exited at 9.10-9.15am. And now I am having to explain over and over why I am stating it!!

 

[GTB72]

Essentially the Police want the dashcam footage to firm up their hypothesis that she fell into the river. They dont want her to appear on any footage because that indicates 3rd party involvement.

Edited by me. Sorry my last sentence was a bit insensitive. Of course the Police would love to find NB and return her to the family. Unfortunately, I just done think that's feasible.

 

[Firstsnow4]

JMO If NB avoided contact with the 9:33am witness (whether accidentally or on purpose), she had well over an hour to make her exit.

Yea she did but why are the police only asking for dashcam footage between 9.10-9.15am (see transcript of recent presser). Why not a wider window? JMO.

 

[GTB72]

Thankyou - I was trying to explain to another poster who was saying that she thinks they are looking to see if NB exited at 9.10-9.15am. And now I am having to explain over and over why I am stating it!!

I suspect it won't be the last time you have to re-explain it. Good luck.

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

I appreciate your point of view but as stated before how could Nicola have exited Garstang lane path between 9.10-9.15am when she was in the upper field at 9.10am and the phone was at the bench at 9.20am. That would imply it can only be third party with someone else placing the phone & Willow at the bench because NB could not have been there with the phone at 9.20am and exiting Garstang lane path at 9.10-9.15am. It doesn’t fit the timeline unless foul play involved. Or unless the witness at 9.10 is wrong with their timing. IMO.

Good point, remind me re: what police said EXACTLY re: dash cam timings on road? I do feel that police have evidence she was elsewhere at the riverside & <modsnip> Police are apparently unworried re: a potentially dangerous third party or would be warning everyone.

There is an article, where her father states she was pleased to have sorted her own mortgage the day before, possibly additionally to deal finalised with customer/friend. Her father said:

‘She said can you stay a bit later because I have an important client coming in on Zoom’

We said ‘no problem and stayed she had done her work and was very upbeat about getting HER mortgage sorted’.

Daily Mail

‘

 

[Blamhappy]

Yea she did but why are the police only asking for dashcam footage between 9.10-9.15am (see transcript of recent presser). Why not a wider window? JMO.

They might have the rest covered.

 

[Coach]

NB sent a text before the meeting, arranging a playdate:

Nicola Bulley sent friend 'playdate' text message 'minutes before she vanished'

"You wouldn’t have done that if you were going to get up and go missing"

www.lancs.live

Thanks MF. Did she also have a meeting the night before she went missing and was it an in person one or remote/online?

 

[Miss_French]

I'm a football supporter and went to watch Sheffield Wednesday play at Fleetwood Town last night.

Nicol's disappearance was highlighted on the video scoreboard. Good to see the publicity, though it was clear from discussions I heard amongst my fellow Wednesday fans that this case is already well-known across the country.

 

[Rawler23]

Does anyone have a photo of the area that meets the sea from the river?

 

[Firstsnow4]

Good point, remind me re: what police said EXACTLY re: dash cam timings on road? I do feel that police have evidence she was elsewhere at the riverside <modsnip - no link from an approved source> Police are apparently unworried re: a potentially dangerous third party or would be warning everyone.

There is an article, where her father states she was pleased to have sorted her own mortgage the day before, possibly additionally to deal finalised with customer/friend. Her father said:

‘She said can you stay a bit later because I have an important client coming in on Zoom’

We said ‘no problem and stayed she had done her work and was very upbeat about getting HER mortgage sorted’.

Daily Mail

‘

If you look at yesterdays presser transcript it’s the fifth bullet point down after the second para:

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