Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #8

[Firstsnow4]

I agree that the most likely explanation for the dashcam request is to rule out anyone else entering during that very tight window. The only other possibility I can think of, which I think is less likely, is that something has shown up in some other footage that might look like an object in the water at about that time. The footage they are collecting would cover the bridge. I don't think most dashcams would have a view of the river because they tend to look straight ahead, but a motorcyclist or cyclist might with a helmet cam maybe?

I think that’s a good point - if a cyclist/motorcyclist was turning the head to look at the river they may have glimpsed something in the distance or in the river.

 

[kittythehare]

Yes I suspect it is a case of ruling out any potential perp as opposed to ruling them in because the timeline is so tight. IMO.

Might not even be a perp, might be a witness..?

 

[Awaywego]

It now seems odd to me she was sending texts arranging play dates, spa days etc the moment she "vanished" , almost like she was trying to convince the world she was sure to be here for it. Also the repetitive nature of her FB posts of the river and walking area... Showing us a picture of her usual habits (nothing out the ordinary for her to be there) this case is either very simple and it's a tragic accident ... Or anything but.

Not really. If she had an accident of some kind, she would have been doing those very normal things too. It's only relevant in retrospect and if you are assuming some kind of highly planned dissaperance.
This morning I've had a shower, rearranged an appointment, text a friend, am now going to take my dog out, all being well I'll be home again soon safe.

 

[Firstsnow4]

She's walking back to bench with Willow.
Perp uses same entrance she did 9.10-9.15...
walks to where she is, does something.
Fast.
Witness strolls along at 9.33. NB is gone.

The rest I don't know...how why where...
I think it's likely they have dashcam up to that time and after that time.. maybe even someone saw something and all they're looking for is a confirmatory sighting?
Coffee for head...that's what I do anyway..

Yes that is a possibility. I also wonder whether any perp could have kept her silent (perhaps with a weapon) in any wooded area near the bench when they saw the witnesses approaching. We don’t know if the witnesses stayed with the dog and phone up until the alarm was raised so there is a massive window there to get NB out of the area. IMO.

I just hope we get some answers soon. This is taking over my life at the moment! I speak more to you lot on here than I do my partner!!

 

[rosieposie121]

Not really. If she had an accident of some kind, she would have been doing those very normal things too. It's only relevant in retrospect and if you are assuming some kind of highly planned dissaperance.
This morning I've had a shower, rearranged an appointment, text a friend, am now going to take my dog out, all being well I'll be home again soon safe.

I'm not sure, and too add.. her life on social media seems very picture perfect. Which to me is always a sign somthings not quite right.

 

[Blamhappy]

It now seems odd to me she was sending texts arranging play dates, spa days etc the moment she "vanished" , almost like she was trying to convince the world she was sure to be here for it. Also the repetitive nature of her FB posts of the river and walking area... Showing us a picture of her usual habits (nothing out the ordinary for her to be there) this case is either very simple and it's a tragic accident ... Or anything but.

It's just normal, mundane stuff. My phone habits are the same.

 

[PeggyHenry]

The fields are quite small - I recommend looking at google earth. Someone has uploaded some ‘street view’ shots all around them.

I am very confused why we have so little information about the two sightings (lower field and upper field) especially regarding the witness movements.

If you are in the upper field, for example, you can easily see anyone else also in the upper field. So, depending on which way the witness was walking and where NB was they would maybe have seen her enter the field and walk about. Where was she? How long was she in the upper field? Which way was she headed? (Towards the beach as seemed normal on her route, yet Willow was dry so they didn’t make it there. Why not?) Which was was the witness walking and how long did they see NB for?

For instance, the spot marked on the map as Sighting 3. Was NB heading towards the beach area? If so, assuming the witness was heading towards the caravan park, they’d have seen NB come into the upper field and walk across and down before passing her. Did they interact?

Or, alternatively, where they headed down towards the river from the caravan park, in which case they’d have been watching NB for some minutes wander about the upper field before meeting her heading up the path?

Similarly for the lower field sighting. Where was NB? Where was the witness? How long did they see NB walk Willow for?

What time did they first see NB and for how long?

I think, if there is some other explanation for her disappearance, that these witnesses and sightings are crucial and I can’t believe so little concrete is in the public domain.

Agree totally. As you say if she was heading on her usual route towards the beach then Willow would swim and be damp when found.
I do feel something occurred which made Nicola deviate from that route .. and likely in the upper field area. It is here where, according to timeline she is busy on her phone.. writing email then text then dialling into Teams. To do those three things means she is focussed on thinking with her head bowed over her phone. I do it myself sometimes whilst on dog walks. You stand still for a while and concentrate. Either something occurs in upper field or she
continues back down to the bench and it happens around there.

I also had a thought about Poo bags for Willow. Normally dog walkers carry a few in pockets or a little bag. Is there a poo bin in the vicinity? Do people tend to pick up after their dogs? It could provide clues if we knew.
Had the lead been mentioned or just the harness.

It matters whether the phone was found on the bench or on the ground. I wonder if we’re clear on this .

 

[GTB72]

Think you would have to be living on the moon to have not. Could have understood it when there were only 3 tv channels and a handful of papers but not in this day age of consecutively.

Edited by me. Connectivity.

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

It now seems odd to me she was sending texts arranging play dates, spa days etc the moment she "vanished" , almost like she was trying to convince the world she was sure to be here for it. Also the repetitive nature of her FB posts of the river and walking area... Showing us a picture of her usual habits (nothing out the ordinary for her to be there) this case is either very simple and it's a tragic accident ... Or anything but.

It validates a lot.

 

[rosieposie121]

It's just normal, mundane stuff. My phone habits are the same.

I think I'm just an introvert with no friends, however it Still doesn't take away that the last trace of her was that she was arranging meetups... Is this a picture being painted or just mundane stuff. Just somthing to think about.

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

Agree totally. As you say if she was heading on her usual route towards the beach then Willow would swim and be damp when found.
I do feel something occurred which made Nicola deviate from that route .. and likely in the upper field area. It is here where, according to timeline she is busy on her phone.. writing email then text then dialling into Teams. To do those three things means she is focussed on thinking with her head bowed over her phone. I do it myself sometimes whilst on dog walks. You stand still for a while and concentrate. Either something occurs in upper field or she
continues back down to the bench and it happens around there.

I also had a thought about Poo bags for Willow. Normally dog walkers carry a few in pockets or a little bag. Is there a poo bin in the vicinity? Do people tend to pick up after their dogs? It could provide clues if we knew.
Had the lead been mentioned or just the harness.

It matters whether the phone was found on the bench or on the ground. I wonder if we’re clear on this .

Depending on what you think happened, I am not sure it does, necessarily.

 

[Fishwick]

Yes that is a possibility. I also wonder whether any perp could have kept her silent (perhaps with a weapon) in any wooded area near the bench when they saw the witnesses approaching. We don’t know if the witnesses stayed with the dog and phone up until the alarm was raised so there is a massive window there to get NB out of the area. IMO.

I just hope we get some answers soon. This is taking over my life at the moment! I speak more to you lot on here than I do my partner!!

There doesn't appear to be much of a wooded area near the bench, outside of the path NB used on her way in to the fields.

The route back to the road from here is a small footpath (and the only route police haven't ruled out), roughly 350 metres so plenty of time. However, it seems a risky route back out seeing as the whole route is a small lane where you could easily bump into someone.

 

[Bluesleuth66]

This is my first post but I have been reading through the threads, have familiarised myself with the rules so hopefully my post is okay.

From the info that has been released by the police, correct me if I am wrong, what we know for sure is that NB dropped her children at school and that Willow and the phone ended up on/near the bench. The only evidence of her being in the area at all are witnesses, and this was in the top field and not in the vicinity of the bench? Have they appealed for dash cams or cctv for her entering the area? Not doubting the witness of course or suggesting she wasn't there at all, but to me an entry can tell as much as an exit/non exit.

I did find the addresses on company house interesting, don't think can share though as NB isn't listed on them? I don't think it suggests anything untoward to be clear, but just reiterates that she was familiar with the area- as also evidenced by her other public accounts. Not that it perhaps means much, I do wonder whether as with car accidents familiarity can sometimes cause more of a risk than somewhere new- JMO of course.

The discussion about the clothing, I have a long length gilet (I describe it as such as its allegedly ankle length but comes to my knee area as I'm pretty tall), just my experience even at that length it can impact on movement a bit, albeit makes tripping over it seem less likely, MOO. I think that's partly why cam footage of entering would be useful though, what someone wears when they leave home isn't necessarily what they wear on their walk, seems the witness was a fair distance away but 100% accuracy on knowing what she was wearing in the field would perhaps be useful- unless they do know this by means they haven't released. I certainly add items of clothing on once out of my car like hats, gloves, whatever else.

It is all very perplexing, more so as of course and rightly the police don't release everything.

Interesting post. I have been thinking along the same lines but not mentioned it.

With all this talk about CCTV/dashcams/door cams etc not picking up any evidence of her leaving the path or field area, there is no mention of any record either (not that I have seen anyway), of her en route to, or entering the area. This I feel surely would have helped with identification and confirmation of clothing etc. and perhaps timelines and any other persons nearby.

Not sure how relevant that is but just my thinking, like.

 

[wallaby]

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[kittythehare]

Yes that is a possibility. I also wonder whether any perp could have kept her silent (perhaps with a weapon) in any wooded area near the bench when they saw the witnesses approaching. We don’t know if the witnesses stayed with the dog and phone up until the alarm was raised so there is a massive window there to get NB out of the area. IMO.

I just hope we get some answers soon. This is taking over my life at the moment! I speak more to you lot on here than I do my partner!!

be interesting to know what exactly and where exactly the agitated dry dog was at when 9.33 arrived on scene.
This is where MSM is a waste of time...far too many conflicting reports but if between bench and turnstile would suggest perp got her past turnstile.. I know, time etc...but..
The imaginary perp that is not to cause confusion..for people coming late and trying to track what will appear to be a mega eureka moment, which it was actually for me...

edited to correct time typo

 

[Petrocelli]

The route to the sea doesn’t pass many other properties but it’s possible one of those has cctv that overlook the river and that’s shown something in the river that they have seen.

 

[PeggyHenry]

Ok I think I understand the implications… perhaps there were some deleted searches on the phone (or other device) which have taken a while to recover.

Sadly, suicide is also all too common. I am the same age as NB and 1 friend/ 2 acquaintances have taken their own lives. Really tragic and in all cases the spouse had no idea it was coming, but perhaps only with hindsight they unpicked some clues. The latter two were middle aged women, mothers, intelligent, beautiful and seemingly lived wonderful lives. It is so sad.

Not saying that is what has happened here but I am sure this will be a theory the police will explore.

Could relate to info found on the phone.
After all none of us expect the content of our phones to go public. Our phones contain our private conversations / texts etc

 

[PeggyHenry]

That‘s exactly right. Was it a phone call or text message that she had shortly before logging on to the Teams call? Also, was it the night before she went missing that she had a meeting?

Yes. She sent email to boss followed by text to friend prior to logging into Teams.
She met boss the evening before disappearing. He travelled to meet her from quite a distance away. Could be problems relating to work

 

[Miss_French]

Thanks MF. Did she also have a meeting the night before she went missing and was it an in person one or remote/online?

Sorry, not sure. I read about her boss driving over (from Keighley?) but I think that was on here and can't immediately find it.

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

Missing mum texted her friend a significant message minutes before going missing

Mum-of-two Nicola Bulley, 45, disappeared while walking her springer spaniel along a river towpath in St Michaels on Wyre, Lancashire, after dropping her daughters at school

www.mirror.co.uk

My apologies, THIS, is the article that supports my earlier post.

Her father says Nicola had just sorted HER mortgage and was pleased to have done so, additionally she had been working hard on a client negotiation. Presumably then, a ‘remortgage’?

I think a malevolent perp is very unlikely as the police have clearly said. St Riley & team would NOT have the public traipsing freely & endanger the public, plus. The police have a clear context they have to sensitivity share when timing is ‘right’ as was said yesterday.