Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #8

[curiousbeaver]

Agree with much of that but isn't there almost a mental block.We keep hearing of wtte of ' she vanished into thin air'

Maybe it's cause we are visual animals that we just can't conceive of the reality of millions of cubic metres of constantly moving murky water & unseen obstacles underwater? So we think, if we can't physically see something it means it cannot be there ( absence of evidence vs evidence of absence)

or another scenario
If this vanishing had happened at the edge of a huge mountain forest covering a large surface area, I wonder if people would be more wtte of ' she's obviously somewhere in that forest')

Anyway..... big takeaway for me from the latest update was the comments on the complexity of the river.

Yes. The Wyre is really murky and full of sediment esp the tidal section but also perhaps extending to St Michaels and beyond. I’m just wondering how quickly the silt will settle over and around odd lumps and bumps on a riverbed and how quickly that could mask the topography of items on the river bed as captured by side scan sonar…

 

[scottishgal]

A young man disappeared nearby years ago. Went into river just upstream.
No divers etc then but similar environmental conditions & time of year

https://www.lep.co.uk/news/nicola-bulley-we-know-her-familys-pain-say-preston-family-who-lost-a-son-in-the-same-stretch-of-river-on-the-same-day-45-years-ago-4019028

Wow how spooky ....same day Jan 27 45 years ago.

 

[mrjitty]

I have done many many searches and never ever encouraged family to be present. It is ill advised.
If a body is found, depending upon the condition a family member may request to identify. a policeman who knows the victim is also allowed to do this task if it would prove too arduous for close family.
It's just not on.

I get that a lead detective or super who would normally be the 'face of the case' can't be on the river bank all day doing media so this is opportunistic, but it seems odd there is no official spokesperson on deck for message control?

He's basically just doing impromptu doorsteps all the time.

Unless police are just all in on drowning so doing see the need for aggressive media handling?

 

[tedtink]

Interesting he suggests it’s 1ft here……

Peter Faulding suggests Police theory that Nicola Bulley is in river is "decoy" | "If she had gone in the river that day, she wouldn't have gone far." Peter Faulding, the founder of Specialist Group International, the company... | By Jeremy Vine On

"If she had gone in the river that day, she wouldn't have gone far." Peter Faulding, the founder of Specialist Group International, the company...

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In your link he says 1ft "below the bank onto rocks "........."it's about 3.5 - 4m deep in the middle"

My interpretation from what he's saying could mean there may be a difference between a potential fall or a potential jump IMO. But still begs the question, where is she?

JMO

 

[Lincolnshirelad]

A young man disappeared nearby years ago. Went into river just upstream.
No divers etc then but similar environmental conditions & time of year

https://www.lep.co.uk/news/nicola-bulley-we-know-her-familys-pain-say-preston-family-who-lost-a-son-in-the-same-stretch-of-river-on-the-same-day-45-years-ago-4019028

Yes and they found him within hours on the sandbank not far from where he fell in.

 

[Mr X]

I’m starting to wonder whether the phone, dog being left at the bench was actually a decoy by NB herself - perhaps she had had enough. Despite her family saying she was happy etc, you don’t know what’s going on inside one’s mind. I can attest to that. Maybe she left willingly and took herself off somewhere else so as not to be found by relatives/friends. Everyone keeps saying about the dog lead, do we know whether that was found? Perhaps everyone is looking in the wrong place and should be looking in woodland. Very sad but maybe she didn’t want to be found. IMO.

Interesting theory. My mother killed herself some years ago and she had 2 siblings who had done so previously. In her case she ensured that her adult children did not find her (at her flat) and it was a trained professional (MH nurse) who discovered her deceased. I'm glad it wasn't me. One of her brothers was found by his own daughter which must have been very traumatic.

It does add up but the only problem with this is out of respect to relatives you would ensure that someone did find you fairly quickly. Preferably a professional of some sort.

Not a nice subject but always a possibility with this sort of case.

Land search seems wise.

 

[Tutter]

Agree, in reality
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One nose points down and one nose points up. The cctv nose points up, imo.

 

[grey345]

Re: the decoy cctv theory (and not naming names so I don’t get deleted). I think the idea would be:

- NB took children to school as usual, but left dog behind that morning (perhaps under impression someone else would walk dog, or perhaps plans to drive on somewhere to meet someone so can’t take dog, who knows)
- Phone could be left at home. If I’m late for the school run and you can’t find your phone, you just have to go anyway. Kids can’t be late. Mornings are a stressful time in most houses.
- Decoy walks dog out of house past CCTV. If it’s a Ring doorbell, there’s no timestamp in full screen mode. It’s just when you screenshot the image on your phone. Although you’d thing LE would ask to see the original recording. But an individual released the stills to the media, that’s how we’ve seen the images.
- A decoy individual does NBs dog walk in similar dress, hence the sightings. And places phone and harness.
- A different individual intercepts NB after school run

IMO likely? No. Possible? Maybe.

 

[Firstsnow4]

Interesting theory. My mother killed herself some years ago and she had 2 siblings who had done so previously. In her case she ensured that her adult children did not find her (at her flat) and it was a trained professional (MH nurse) who discovered her deceased. I'm glad it wasn't me. One of her brothers was found by his own daughter which must have been very traumatic.

It does add up but the only problem with this is out of respect to relatives you would ensure that someone did find you fairly quickly. Preferably a professional of some sort.

Not a nice subject but always a possibility with this sort of case.

Land search seems wise.

Sorry to hear about your mum. That must have been awful.

 

[Beginnersleuth]

Yes and they found him within hours on the sandbank not far from where he fell in.

The article says found 2 months later on sandbanks near the shard bridge

 

[rhino]

Yes and they found him within hours on the sandbank not far from where he fell in.

That’s not what the article says at all? He went in upstream of where NB is believed to, and was found 2 months later near the Shard bridge that was the focus of attention a couple of nights ago.

 

[Nikynoo]

Yes and they found him within hours on the sandbank not far from where he fell in.

Not correct according to the article.

'His body was not discovered until two months later, washed up on a sandbank at low tide near to Shard Bridge, seven miles from St Michael's.

https://www.lep.co.uk/news/nicola-bulley-we-know-her-familys-pain-say-preston-family-who-lost-a-son-in-the-same-stretch-of-river-on-the-same-day-45-years-ago-4019028

 

[Mr X]

Yes. The Wyre is really murky and full of sediment esp the tidal section but also perhaps extending to St Michaels and beyond. I’m just wondering how quickly the silt will settle over and around odd lumps and bumps on a riverbed and how quickly that could mask the topography of items on the river bed as captured by side scan sonar…

In the old days they would have dragged the river with grappling irons and body drags. Get everything out. Sometimes the old methods are better but you need more manpower to do it like that.

 

[JumpingFrog]

Re: the decoy cctv theory (and not naming names so I don’t get deleted). I think the idea would be:

- NB took children to school as usual, but left dog behind that morning (perhaps under impression someone else would walk dog, or perhaps plans to drive on somewhere to meet someone so can’t take dog, who knows)
- Phone could be left at home. If I’m late for the school run and you can’t find your phone, you just have to go anyway. Kids can’t be late. Mornings are a stressful time in most houses.
- Decoy walks dog out of house past CCTV. If it’s a Ring doorbell, there’s no timestamp in full screen mode. It’s just when you screenshot the image on your phone. Although you’d thing LE would ask to see the original recording. But an individual released the stills to the media, that’s how we’ve seen the images.
- A decoy individual does NBs dog walk in similar dress, hence the sightings. And places phone and harness.
- A different individual intercepts NB after school run

IMO likely? No. Possible? Maybe.

Kids would be able to tell any specially trained officers who asked them about their commute to school that morning whether Willow was in the car with them and mummy.

 

[ayrshireguy]

Yes and they found him within hours on the sandbank not far from where he fell in.

"The student from Fulwood was swept away in a fast-flowing brook which fed into the Wyre just yards upstream from where Nicola's mobile phone was found. His body was not discovered until two months later, washed up on a sandbank at low tide near to Shard Bridge, seven miles from St Michael's."

 

[scottishgal]

Interesting theory. My mother killed herself some years ago and she had 2 siblings who had done so previously. In her case she ensured that her adult children did not find her (at her flat) and it was a trained professional (MH nurse) who discovered her deceased. I'm glad it wasn't me. One of her brothers was found by his own daughter which must have been very traumatic.

It does add up but the only problem with this is out of respect to relatives you would ensure that someone did find you fairly quickly. Preferably a professional of some sort.

Not a nice subject but always a possibility with this sort of case.

Land search seems wise.

very sad to hear that Mr X, so sorry you had to go through this

and yes agree, NB would not have willingly created so much un-clarity and searching for her daughters. IMO..

something doesnt add up ....very very strange case ......

 

[karakuchi]

I'm not sure, but that's Emma White with him - the woman who quickly set up a go fund me for 100k, dropped it to 50k then deleted the whole fundraiser. <modsnip - off limits>

This BBC article credits the CCTV images to Emma White:

Nicola Bulley: Friend shares images of missing mum on day she vanished

Doorbell footage of Nicola Bulley outside her home on the day she disappeared is shared with the BBC.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[GeorgeFormby]

I'm done with this guy.

Why on earth is he doing media about the family? Law enforcement have trained people for these tasks.

100%. Giving interviews, left, right and centre. Flying into the scene in a helicopter, like a pound shop Batman. He's said more than anybody else. This is a police matter, not the Peter Faulding Show. I think his behaviour is atrocious, personally.

 

[JumpingFrog]

I don't want to speculate, out of respect for NB and family, and anyone affected by the very sad scenario put forth above. Just that in her FB photos, Willow has a retractable lead so unless it was replaced with a different type...well you know. Jmo.

 

[grey345]

Kids would be able to tell any specially trained officers who asked them about their commute to school that morning whether Willow was in the car with them and mummy.

Good point. Multiple dogs? Dog sighted on walk was not actually Willow?

FYI I do not believe this is likely at all, just trying to see if it’s technically possible for NB to have been taken at a different time and location to her sightings.

I think it’s incredibly unlikely.