Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #9

[Cranky]

Definition of "Person of Interest" person of interest. : a person who is believed to be possibly involved in a crime but has not been charged or arrested.
Why would someone who found a loose dog and a phone be a POI? My son found a dog on it's own in November. He was on his way home with it to check on social media when he found it's owner.

 

[Davieson]

I may be speaking out of turn here but the person that found the dog/phone etc. is surely the 'first on the scene' after NB's apparent vanishing - does that not make that person a POI? I understand the police want the person protected and I have stated earlier I worry for that persons mental health with all the possible 'what if' scenarios that may be circulating in their own head.

I guess we'll just have to wait until more information surfaces, if ever.

As someone else pointed out, police do not consider that any crime has been committed therefore there cannot be any suspects

 

[steelo]

No.

That makes her a witness.

Excuse my ignorance but what makes someone a Person of Interest?
A witness sees a person or event.
A person who finds something is not necessarily a witness as they didn't see anything happen??

Edit - okay I understand POI now since re-reading others explanations. Thanks.
Apologies for using incorrect terminology.

 

[rosieposie121]

Definition of "Person of Interest" person of interest. : a person who is believed to be possibly involved in a crime but has not been charged or arrested.
Why would someone who found a loose dog and a phone be a POI? My son found a dog on it's own in November. He was on his way home with it to check on social media when he found it's owner.

Would it not be fair to say we wouldn't know if they were a poi .. even if they were.

 

[todders]

Excuse my ignorance but what makes someone a Person of Interest?
A witness sees a person or event.
A person who finds something is not necessarily a witness as they didn't see anything happen??

You can still be a witness if you find something as you would have to explain where you found it, time date, location etc etc.IMO

 

[Fishwick]

Would it not be fair to say we wouldn't know if they were a poi .. even if they were.

Firstly, the police have stated that they do not believe there to be a crime, therefore no POI.
Secondly, I would assume the forum rules require a declaration of them being a POI - otherwise anyone could be discussed.

 

[Nikynoo]

Excuse my ignorance but what makes someone a Person of Interest?
A witness sees a person or event.
A person who finds something is not necessarily a witness as they didn't see anything happen??

The police say that they are. E.g. we are looking for XXXX or we have arrested xxxx or is helping us with our enquiries in relation to a crime.

It needs to be called a crime by police before there are suspects or persons of interest.

 

[Nikynoo]

Excuse my ignorance but what makes someone a Person of Interest?
A witness sees a person or event.
A person who finds something is not necessarily a witness as they didn't see anything happen??

Edit - okay I understand POI now since re-reading others explanations. Thanks.
Apologies for using incorrect terminology.

they are a witness to what they have found though. What the item is, the condition that it was in and the location etc

 

[rosieposie121]

Would it not be fair to say we wouldn't know if they were a poi .. even if they were.

To

Firstly, the police have stated that they do not believe there to be a crime, therefore no POI.
Secondly, I would assume the forum rules require a declaration of them being a POI - otherwise anyone could be discussed.

Yes I have only just realised the rules being a new member so being very careful from now on what I say.

 

[Seattle1]

1. Why was NB classed as a high risk person? Yes we are not privy to everything, BUT, she was seemingly fit/well, and on a normal daily activity.
2. Why were the school phoned?
3. This big house, abandoned or not, is on the other side of the river so why is this such a topic of interest?

1. Having just finished watching all of the police pressers, I believe the comment here that NB is a "high-risk person" is a poster's opinion and not a fact provided by LE.

2. The school was phoned after another dog walker that knows NB saw Willow running loose with NB nowhere in sight, called the daughter's school with this information and the daughter contacted the partner and relayed the information.

3. The Supt stated social media groups are responsible for promoting groups to gather and force entry into abandoned and/or derelict homes (some occupied), and warned that burglary charges are under consideration. The properties have already been searched by police with the permission of the owners. This is a missing person investigation, not a criminal investigation for property inquiry. MOO

 

[Cuko]

I believe the case of NB seems so baffling, and has us all tearing our hair out, because of the extremely limited (and often disputed) public information pertaining to it. For me, it’s inconceivable that the police have not looked in depth at background info, whether domestic, work, health, etc. In short, I think we’re all stumped because there is significant info to which we’re rightly not privy, but which, if eventually revealed, would give us all a ‘lightbulb moment’. I‘m probably completely wrong and this is absolutely JMO.

 

[Tanzanite]

There is fault on both sides. As the ex-detective said on TV last week 'where there is a void of information, it will be filled with speculation'. I feel that the police have handled the public poorly on this, because the point blank 'she's in the river' in the face of expert PF's 'she's not in the river' just doesn't give the public much confidence. I'm fairly certain that the information vacuum is tactical, but there's a limit to how many days can pass where the official hypothesis is regurgitated even in the face of zero evidence.

This whole post is great, but I've snipped this for focus. I think the messaging from SGI/PF combined with FB madness has been very bad for public perception of the LE investigation.

I agree that the information vacuum is tactical. If it related to the family's knowledge of NB, then at this stage, releasing information would possibly quell some of the social media/speculative restlessness, but we're owed nothing. If it relates to a 3rd party, then I'm firmly on the side of letting LE do their job.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Ms Bulley disappeared 12 days ago shortly after dropping her two daughters off at school. Her phone was found still connected to a Microsoft Teams call on a bench by the riverbank, with her dog running loose nearby.

It comes after the police admitted it was still a “possibility” she left the area by one path not covered by cameras which is crossed by the main road through the village.

Police were trying to trace dashcam footage from 700 drivers who passed along the road at the time she disappeared, around 9.20am.

Police ‘stop vigilante searchers’ as hunt for dog walker moves to sea

Lancashire Police say members of public searching St Michael’s on Wyre not helping

www.independent.co.uk

 

[GTB72]

1. Having just finished watching all of the police pressers, I believe the comment here that NB is a "high-risk person" is a poster's opinion and not a fact provided by LE.

2. The school was phoned after another dog walker that knows NB saw Willow running loose with NB nowhere in sight, called the daughter's school with this information and the daughter contacted the partner and relayed the information.

3. The Supt stated social media groups are responsible for promoting groups to gather and force entry into abandoned and/or derelict homes (some occupied), and warned that burglary charges are under consideration. The properties have already been searched by police with the permission of the owners. This is a missing person investigation, not a criminal investigation for property inquiry. MOO

Yes. The Police haven't said she was a high-risk person but their speed of response once told she was missing suggested to some posters on here that their actions were akin to a response for a high-risk person. Imo

 

[Cranky]

The other thing to remember is that you can join farcebook with just about any name that you care to call yourself as long as you have an email address. One of our local groups has a "Vidgey Lante" who comments

 

[Cluella DeVille]

I find it difficult to erase from my mind what the 'finder of Willow running loose' said originally...

She said she spotted Willow as she came through a gate onto the towpath but became suspicious when she saw the harness and lead on the floor. A man then came through behind her with his dog and spotted the phone.

"The gent has looked on the floor and two feet from the bench there’s a phone," she said. "I think she’s either been faffing about at the edge of the river because the dog’s been smelling fishing bait and she’s slipped or she’s had a medical episode."

The 'gent' with the dog being who exactly? The 70 year old with the fluffy white dog?

The story then morphed into...
A business owner - who did not wish to be named - says she raised the alarm after finding Willow. She said the phone was found under a tree which has a sign warning of deep water nailed to it.
The woman said: "I saw the dog and I recognised it, but I suddenly couldn't think whose dog it was. There was a mobile phone on the bench and there was also something between the bench and the river so I went and looked, and it was a dog harness." She said the dog looked "worried" and after speaking to her daughter-in-law was told it belonged to Nicola.

Then there was this...Nicola, who has been missing for six days looked "completely normal" just minutes before vanishing, the last person known to have seen her has said. The mortgage advisor was seen at about 9.20am on a footpath by the River Wyre in the village of St Michael's in Lancashire by a man walking his labrador, it has been reported. His wife said how he told her that there was "nothing unusual" about Nicola when he saw her. The software engineer, who didn't want to be named said: "In the field, there were about three people, including my husband. He said there was nothing unusual about her and she seemed completely normal. “I’d often see her and say hello. I always thought she looked very nicely dressed, in her bobble hat and smart Wellington boots. It’s just horrible to know she’s missing.”

All so very confusing

 

[Seattle1]

Somebody kindly posted the link, last thread.
College of Policing guidelines. High risk of coming to harm( Appears to relate to the case circumstances - goes missing next to a river which all the real experts & 'stretch ' users say is ' notoriously' dangerous and ofc was very cold at the time)

Seems to me wherever this title of high risk came from, it's being interpreted as the victimology profile of the missing mum, NB, was deemed "high risk," which is false.

 

[Sandyuk]

Is there anyone local to the area on this thread?

 

[Firstsnow4]

Seems to me wherever this title of high risk came from, it's being interpreted as the victimology profile of the missing mum, NB, was deemed "high risk," which is false.

I think it’s been based on the level of resources that we’re deployed early on in the investigation. More info here about how misper investigations and risk assessments are carried out. Missing persons | College of Policing

Edited to add

High risk:

The risk of serious harm to the subject or the public is assessed as very likely.

This category almost always requires the immediate deployment of police resources – action may be delayed in exceptional circumstances, such as searching water or forested areas during hours of darkness. A member of the senior management team must be involved in the examination of initial lines of enquiry and approval of appropriate staffing levels. Such cases should lead to the appointment of an investigating officer (IO) and possibly an SIO, and a police search adviser (PolSA). There should be a press/media strategy and/or close contact with outside agencies. Family support should be put in place where appropriate. The MPB should be notified of the case without undue delay. Children’s services must also be notified immediately if the person is under 18.

 

[EyeSpyU]

The police seem very confident she is in the water, or has been in the water, IMO they must have a piece of evidence to back this up, to make such a statement. It does feel like this case is turning into a circus with people turning up taking selfies, TikTok’s etc where has the respect gone, NB is sadly missing but she is still a mummy, partner, sister, and daughter.

That’s utterly repulsive to take selfies on that bench!

It’s sickening and twisted.