Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #9

[russeverton]

Can you please link to this where they are rethinking, I have been trying to keep up to date with MSM but the articles are so poorly written and copy pasted it’s hard to know which are fact vs speculation.

I am going off the fact they are looking through dash cam footage and claimed it's possible she could of left via the path near the bench

 

[Meeky]

Nicola Bulley: Search for missing mother-of-two moves to coastline at Morecambe Bay

The 45-year-old went missing while walking her dog in St Michael's on Wyre, Lancashire, on Friday 27 January. Her phone was found on a bench, still connected to a Microsoft Teams call.

news.sky.com

 

[shinimeggie]

It would be hard to see evidence of footfall there as it’s full of crisscrossed overgrowth, dried weeds, straw, leaves etc…

I can’t envisage NB jumping up without her phone, leaving Willow and running off had an abductor approached her. Besides, Willow would have followed her. What’s more, dogs sense when their owner is in danger and become aggressive to whoever is a threat - even before they’ve caused harm. I’ve witnessed it myself. Dogs are hugely tuned into danger and incredibly protective of their owners.

Unless you know the dog, you can't really and fairly guess its behaviour. Even then, if it's in a situation that's new to it, it may react totally differently to expected. Regardless of what happened, to the dog, the human has vanished. Dogs do have object permanence, like very young children gain. They know what was there, what is there, and expect there to be a degree of reliability -- which there isn't in this case.

I worked in Pets at Home for two years. On our busiest days, I saw at least 50 dogs and puppies. Most of them, if it wasn't holding people up, I would offer a treat as long as the owner was okay with it. I was a stranger to these dogs, yet most took a treat from me. Some needed their owner's permission and would seek it. Some snatched it from my hand without a second thought. Some dogs even barked at me. Some dogs who 'normally loved food' dismissed not only me, but the whole treat, even when offered by their human. Sometimes, the reaction of their own dog surprised the owner.

My point is, we can't imagine how Willow would act or react. None of us knew this dog. Even if we did, we're humanising this dog into some hero who would bark, growl, always follow their human, never take a treat from a stranger, would instinctively know if something dangerous was happening, couldn't get distracted by a stick thrown, would only follow orders from someone they knew, and so on and so forth.

As much as we would like, Willow is not a witness who can communicate with the police what happened, and their behaviour that day doesn't give much of an indication of what they saw because... we don't know how they would react to an unknown, strange situation, which this would be to the dog.

 

[Deleted member 320164]

Well imo that is the problem with this case ruling out possibilities right away. Again I'm staggered people dont see it possible for someone to abduct a woman on her own with a gun or knife. With no witnesses around and plenty of exits available. I wouldn't find it feasible a woman on a cruise ship with her family and lots of witnesses could be taken in daylight but that happened. I could bring up thousands more cases of abducted women that sound crazy and not possible but they happened

Of course it’s possible - history is littered with examples of women and girls who have gone missing in broad daylight in an short time frame. Milly Dowler went missing in the space between 2 CCTV cameras.

There are two cases of women attacked on a canal towpath around a hour from St Michael. Googling for the details I entered ‘woman attacked tow path’ - to be met with many different examples that were not the ones I was looking for.

While I still think drowning is the most likely outcome here, it’s arguable that it would actually take less time to abduct someone than it would to faff around trying to catch a dog, fall into a river, go into cold water shock, struggle to save yourself, drown, and sink without trace. All of that in 13 mins. It only takes about 60 seconds to actually drown but you’ve got get to that point first.

Most women I know have had run ins with assault, sexual assault, stalking, grabbing of some kind. Two men tried to pull me into a car in South Ken in broad daylight and I had to hold onto the railings.

One of my best friends was abducted off the street in France at knifepoint and taken to a forest and raped. She thought she was going to be murdered but he let her go. No witnesses came forward to say they had seen her bundled off the street. The guy was never found. End of case.

 

[Firstsnow4]

Sky News are reporting that 2 police boats are in the sea at Morecambe Bay searching and will head up the mouth of the river on either side in their search for NB

The police must have information to suggest she is in the sea due to the significant resources being deployed. Maybe the police think she entered the river further downstream, hence the sea search. JMO.

 

[Cranky]

I would certainly hope it has. I would still like to know if the fitbit was taken off her wrist (either by herself or someone else) and thrown into water whether the data would register it being immersed or whether it would cease to record data if it was no longer on a person's wrist?

It stops when the wearer removes it.

 

[cottonweaver]

WalesOnline's live feed


11.52am entry on the feed:
'Search teams from Lancashire Police and the Coastguard, including divers, are now focusing on the 10 miles or so of the river downstream of the initial search spot, where the River Wyre empties into the sea at Morecambe Bay.'

Nicola Bulley police issue multiple important updates in press conference

Mother-of-two Nicola Bulley has not been seen since she vanished while out walking her dog over two weeks ago

www.walesonline.co.uk

 

[shinimeggie]

Yes it's scary and thank god you escaped. Wasnt there a case near there also recently of a woman jogging in daylight and a man came from nowhere and grabbed her. Again thankfully she got away. These isolated walks are very dangerous I wish women would not do them alone

If you can find some alternative that means I can still walk alone because I don't want to walk with anyone else, I'm all for it. You'll make a decent living with such a thing.

 

[BaronessWombat]

I did bsc psychology .. recall and facial recognition big complex areas with many influential factors. So if someone thought they saw Nicola with her dog.. then it could be that Willow is the only springer spaniel that they see regularly.. and therefore when they see a female shaped figure with springer spaniel they immediately believe it to be Nicola.
In this case someone saw Nicola in the upper field and it may be that it’s not a certainty.. but it’s the only thing to go on.

RSBM

Anecdotally, I can believe this is true. I do the school run every day and see the same parents and children every day. Before Christmas I was most surprised to have the "parent" walking in front of me with a very familiar child turn around and not be the person I thought it was. I'm assuming it was a sister/twin as they did look very similar with a similar build and hair colour but definitely not the same person. Had I not worked with the actual parent for a while I might have still assumed it was the same parent and just had a bad hair day or rough night before. IMO the 9.10am witness who saw NB from afar might have done the same. I've already pondered five threads back that the 9.10am witness may have actually seen Red Coat Lady as I don't think that's been confimed 100% yet.

 

[GTB72]

Just looking at bus timetables and there was only 1 going past at around the time of 09:24. The number 42 to Blackpool. I’m sure that LE will be looking at bus cameras. Not sure with it being rural what types of buses they have. I recall back to the CL disappearance they did manage to capture bus footage from several onboard cameras outside the house. Hopefully they get more info from dash cams etc.

Good point. Bus footage basically ensnared Wayne Cousens. Along with diligent afterwork from the Police.

 

[EyeSpyU]

I have seen a lot of frustration on here, about the insistence "She fell in the water" I cannot believe how frustrating it must be for the family, I really hope that the police are just keeping things close, and not just wedded to the idea and have confirmation bias (although can it be confirmation bias if there's no evidence?)

MOO Theory: Anyway, have you seen the pictures on google maps of the field? There is a dog walker in one of the pictures, and when I was looking the thought occurred, I can see the dog pretty well, I can see the colour of the coat and trousers, but that's it. I don't know if I could recognise my own child at that distance. We know Willow, and the phone were in that field at 9.10, but all we know is someone who matched NBs description was in that field with Willow off the lead. I am no longer sure we can say NB was in that field at all. We know she sent a text message at 8.53, and there doesn't appear to be anything suspicious about the text, and we know she dropped the kids off at school. But that's actually it.

I get A LOT of teams calls/ meetings. It annoyingly bleeps when a call comes in, so the fact that she signed in to the meeting at 9.01, but if we have a 9am meeting, most of us sign in at 8.59am. (I would guess they have asked is it usual shes late?)

Speculation bit: What I'm saying is, if we extend the timeline to she dropped the kids off 8.43, walked towards her normal walk, met the other dog walker and sent a text and 8.53, the chance of something happening to her becomes a lot more possible. If it was planned, an accomplice wearing black clothing, maybe not even planned just incidental, walking the dog and the phone to the "edge of the water" to place the idea shes fallen in. Would be seen at a distance as NB. But CCTV would show a completed different person, not suspiciously leaving the field. I also speculate that if you were carrying someones phone to create an artificial timeline and a teams call started, you might after a few moments of indecision decide to "join" on mute and camera off to seem that the phone was with NB later than it actually was.

She actually spoke to a dog Walker she knew and their dogs interacted, and was also seen by another dog Walker who knew her when she was walking with Willow in the field and had left the towpath and gone through the turnstile.

As for an abductor, if they wanted to make it look like a drowning why wouldn’t they throw her phone into the river? Why leave it on a bench inferring she’d drowned? Surely it’d make more sense to throw it into the river too.

 

[sriraaacha]

Yes it's scary and thank god you escaped. Wasnt there a case near there also recently of a woman jogging in daylight and a man came from nowhere and grabbed her. Again thankfully she got away. These isolated walks are very dangerous I wish women would not do them alone

I think they're as dangerous for men as they are for women honestly. I'd even argue that it's worse for men but that's a discussion for another time. The best thing people can do is either not walk around isolated locations (I used to do this a lot but I'm much more wary of it now tbf) or at least go with someone.

 

[JimmyBets]

Is there anyone local to the area on this thread?

7 miles away

 

[russeverton]

I think they're as dangerous for men as they are for women honestly. I'd even argue that it's worse for men but that's a discussion for another time. The best thing people can do is either not walk around isolated locations (I used to do this a lot but I'm much more wary of it now tbf) or at least go with someone.

Yes apologies for anybody really. Men and women.

 

[MrsWatson]

<modsnip - quoted posts were removed> Please refer to the last statement from police.

This means, at the moment, there are around 500 active pieces of information and lines of enquiry that we're working on to try and find answers for Nicola's family.

Throughout this investigation, as I've said, we remain fully open to any information, any information, that is credible and factual to try and trace Nicola and bring answers for her family, but it does remain our belief that Nicola sadly fell into the river. . But it is important to stress that any information that comes in, that indicates otherwise, is being checked out all the time and negated as each enquiry comes up.

We would ask that people in the wider community, particularly on social media and online, do not speculate as to what may have happened to Nicola.

Transcript of Police Press Conference.

 

[aontesqjedlfgcmxyy]

As fun as all of these ideas sound, surely the most likely thing to have happened was that she was sat on the bench, engrossed in her phone/ meeting, and chose to have a closer look at the river, falling in for any number of reasons.
The lead, phone and dry dog explains so much, and just make other possibilities so much less likely
If someone had come by, I doubt she would have left her phone, it's the first thing people reach for. However, if she was looking for her dog which had gone out of sight, I can see why she would leave it on the bench on the call while she checks the river, or even just having a look while the meeting didn't concern her.
If she had left on foot the dog would be difficult to stop from following, not to mention the cctv coverage appears to be strong, it's clearly a fairly busy location, her stuff was fairly far away from any vehicles, someone else being involved just doesn't seem particularly plausible, especially without evidence.
It's proven that the river has the power to move a body at least 7 miles over that exact stretch as shown by the previous case.
I really don't see much evidence against those theories, she could fall in with absolutely no trace of falling in, the lack of evidence of that isn't a big red flag to me. She could fall in without the dog realising, or the dog could choose not to enter the water.

I think the police are correct, given the limited evidence, to be putting the most resources into the theory that she fell in to the river, with no others involved, I'm sure they're also putting time into other theories, but some of the ideas on here are so implausible. It's nice to play out the ideas, but accusing witnesses when it's just so improbable seems a bit far, the police will have treated everyone involved with suspicion until they're able to verify their alibi's

It seems like some on here see any evidence and before thinking it through jump to a conclusion
They've jumped on the OH, over absolutely anything, the house has CCTV and he was working, there's no way the police haven't thoroughly checked his alibi.

The person who tied up the dog, the rope has been questioned, but again, it could have just been laying around, it's not in and of itself an indication of something bad, again, the police can and probably have checked out the appointment - we will never hear people's alibi's, its an invasion of privacy to share what people are doing

The similar looking family friend, her boss, the google maps guy, the list goes on, but all the theories are so easy to check out and the police will have already looked into all of these people, because they probably take about 10 minutes each to rule out

The fact that she hasn't been found doesn't mean someone else was involved, the bench is meter's from a weir, after which the river is intertidal, making tracking a body extremely difficult, the one from years back took months to appear, the sad truth is that the most likely scenario is she will be found at a later date possibly after the search is called off, and we'll always have questions about how it happened

That's not to say there isn't foul play, just that, it's unlikely and there's nothing to yet lead anyone to believe anyone else was involved

 

[Awaywego]

Yes it's scary and thank god you escaped. Wasnt there a case near there also recently of a woman jogging in daylight and a man came from nowhere and grabbed her. Again thankfully she got away. These isolated walks are very dangerous I wish women would not do them alone

Statistically a daytime dog walk is not dangerous, although bad things obviously can and do happen at times.
I for one won't stop walking alone, and to suggest women should isn't right, men should stop raping and murdering women.

 

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[Knitty]

Thank you, @kittythehare for sending in this important update. Posting it so you all don't get behind on actual info.

Lancashire Constabulary - Nicola Bulley update

The latest news and information for Lancashire Constabulary

lancashire.police.uk

 

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