Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire), Jan 2023 #18

[Woodburnbay]

All good questions.

Very good questions, I suspect that LE are relying on superstition that the body only drifted to the reeds on the day it was found.

I found this article very interesting in MSM.
The professor describes the body set as "Well Trodden" by search operatives:

Three reasons why it may have taken so long to find Nicola Bulley’s body

Body of missing mother-of-two was discovered in a stretch of river already searched by police

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Rusty Braincells]

I don't think this is fair. He didn't have all the information, and he wasn't able to search wherever he wanted.

I do think it was wrong of him to keep running his mouth and stating his opinions as facts, because he ought to know how you're not guaranteed to find a body, even if it's there.

He should learn a lesson to keep quiet in the future and not draw so much attention to himself.

However his behaviour doesn't mean he lacks expertise.

I’m sure the issue is his behaviour in the media, and the statements he made, not the unsuccessful search itself. He pretty much said that as he hasn’t found NB, she wasn’t in the water. That was wrong and I don’t think a reasonable expert would make such a claim. He was even on TV agreeing that the location Nicola was finally found at was a good place to deposit a body… he got very carried away with his role on this case IMO.

 

[Woodburnbay]

I do believe we've reached a state in this world where nothing can just be a tragic accident.

Unfortunately, it most often isn't the bogeyman in the bushes who can be caught and punished who causes us to stumble and get hurt, or killed, or lost.

It is accidents outside of our control, in our normal day-to-day lives, and sometimes that's scary so we like to look for anything else, anything at all, that means it couldn't have been us who succumbed to such a fate. And that sometimes makes people make dramatic leaps, now on the soapbox of social media instead of just with local gossip.

But that is just life, sometimes. It ends in a tragically mundane way by an accident that no-one caused nor could have foreseen. And when that happens, we just have to try and learn any lessons we can, big or small, professional or personal, and hug those we love a little tighter.

You may well have a point but are you also not also guilty of the same supposition that LE are?
She fell / jumped into the river near the bench.
The body was washed downstream and on a winding river she ends up being snagged exactly at the point where the river meets the road, despite there being many other bends in the river.

The most sophisticated sonar equipment could not detect anyhthing.

The police searches reveal nothing.
The body is found by glory hunting mediums despite this area already have being "Well Troden":
Source

Three reasons why it may have taken so long to find Nicola Bulley’s body

Body of missing mother-of-two was discovered in a stretch of river already searched by police

www.independent.co.uk

It takes 23 days for the body to appear and it appears very soon after the searches of the river, riverside are called off.

You would struggle to write a book on this case unless it was pure fiction.

 

[Woodburnbay]

Can someone confirm for me as fact if body was found:

In the river-As stated by LE
or
In the bushes / reeds / undergrowth, that overhang the river.

Why do I ask?

It suits LE to say that she was found in the river as it plays along with their theory of her always being in the river.
It plays against LE and makes them look foolish if she was found on drier land or suspended above the river in undergrowth. Particularly edge of river that was searched.

 

[WAWAW]

You may well have a point but are you also not also guilty of the same supposition that LE are?
She fell / jumped into the river near the bench.
The body was washed downstream and on a winding river she ends up being snagged exactly at the point where the river meets the road, despite there being many other bends in the river.

The most sophisticated sonar equipment could not detect anyhthing.

The police searches reveal nothing.
The body is found by glory hunting mediums despite this area already have being "Well Troden":
Source

Three reasons why it may have taken so long to find Nicola Bulley’s body

Body of missing mother-of-two was discovered in a stretch of river already searched by police

www.independent.co.uk

It takes 23 days for the body to appear and it appears very soon after the searches of the river, riverside are called off.

You would struggle to write a book on this case unless it was pure fiction.

My thoughts exactly, I've given up trying to work out the most likely explanation, and instead trying to fathom the least unlikely. Problem is all scenarios are very unlikely

 

[Marie Bell]

Can someone confirm for me as fact if body was found:

In the river-As stated by LE
or
In the bushes / reeds / undergrowth, that overhang the river.

Why do I ask?

It suits LE to say that she was found in the river as it plays along with their theory of her always being in the river.
It plays against LE and makes them look foolish if she was found on drier land or suspended above the river in undergrowth. Particularly edge of river that was searched.

If the autopsy showed she didn't die from drowning a new investigation would be opened, and we would know about it.
The coroner and LP don't operate according to 'what suits them'. They are not twitter or tik-tok trolls.

 

[pineapple23]

I don't think this is fair. He didn't have all the information, and he wasn't able to search wherever he wanted.

I do think it was wrong of him to keep running his mouth and stating his opinions as facts, because he ought to know how you're not guaranteed to find a body, even if it's there.

He should learn a lesson to keep quiet in the future and not draw so much attention to himself.

However his behaviour doesn't mean he lacks expertise.

I might be off beam here but imo he was likely removed due to unprofessional behaviour rather than not finding her.

 

[Woodburnbay]

If the autopsy showed she didn't die from drowning a new investigation would be opened, and we would know about it.
The coroner and LP don't operate according to 'what suits them'. They are not twitter or tik-tok trolls.

I am not saying that she didn't die from drowning but when did she die from drowning.

 

[mrjitty]

Local woman drowns in river was turned into a national psychodrama

Now people can't let go of it.

 

[pineapple23]

The police appear to be very silent at the moment.

The police have been asked not to comment
'Whilst HM Senior Coroner considers this information, Lancashire Constabulary have been asked by HM Coroner not to discuss the case in either social media or the mainstream media'.

Inquest opens into the death of Nicola Bulley

Nicola went missing on 27 January An inquest into the death of Nicola Bulley has been formally opened after she was found in the River Wyre on Sunday 19 Feb

www.blogpreston.co.uk

 

[Woodburnbay]

Local woman drowns in river was turned into a national psychodrama

Now people can't let go of it.

Ok so lets just let police have a nice clear up rate and make their stats look good.

Family weren't convinced she would be in river.

It does need investigating.If you had been abducted and your abductor had made it look like misadventure, you would want the truth to out surely.

 

[PeggyHenry]

Were they conspiracy theories or was he highlighting that there were other directions the investigation might be elevated to? Whilst we're not privvy to what LE did or didn't know, we do know that by their own admission they had no evidence to support what had actually happened to Nicola. Their persistence to focus on the water when high tech equipment and umpteen searches had proved fruitless was stirring the frustration. Everyone was under so much pressure and the media inexperience in something so high profile was evident IMO
Because their handling of this case has been heavily criticised by many on a number of levels, and it is what fuelled so much speculation JMO

Agree. I have a feeling that PF was in an incredibly frustrating situation. He had worked alongside other forces and probably had been included in high level discussion relating to the victims location.
He either had to bite his tongue or speak out and it was no-win either way. His search experience counts for a lot and his motive for locating a body is immense. His view that the body may not have been in the river for the duration of the period has to have value.

 

[PeggyHenry]

Very good questions, I suspect that LE are relying on superstition that the body only drifted to the reeds on the day it was found.

I found this article very interesting in MSM.
The professor describes the body set as "Well Trodden" by search operatives:

Three reasons why it may have taken so long to find Nicola Bulley’s body

Body of missing mother-of-two was discovered in a stretch of river already searched by police

www.independent.co.uk

Yes .. worth a read and tends to the line that the body wouldn’t have moved a great deal and was possibly just missed.
The final location being near the road and a possible deposition site for a third party does mean that it is not just a given that she died through falling / jumping into the river.
However it seems that it has been already concluded that there was no third party or at least that’s the impression I get. We just don’t know

 

[Furore]

The PM will have been undertaken, if there were any signs of foul play an investigation would continue with a view to criminal trial, not a simple coroners inquest booked for one day IMO

There have been numerous examples on this thread of bodies taking time to be found etc furthermore a) sonar doesn’t penetrate weeds in PF own words, and divers have to feel around with their hands in the dark, with things covered in silt and able to drift around AS they search, even if the body was within feet of their hands, it could have moved behind them. Has anyone ever tried to grab a fly or something that’s fallen into a glass of water? JMO

As much as family didn’t want her to be in the water, they weren’t there, and none of us without eyes on the situation can or cannot say our relative met with an accident. JMO

Everything has played out exactly like she fell in the water and drowned.

Not sure why people STILL feel a peep was involved, and not criticising, just can’t understand that viewpoint.

 

[mrjitty]

Yes .. worth a read and tends to the line that the body wouldn’t have moved a great deal and was possibly just missed.
The final location being near the road and a possible deposition site for a third party does mean that it is not just a given that she died through falling / jumping into the river.
However it seems that it has been already concluded that there was no third party or at least that’s the impression I get. We just don’t know

Are you seriously suggesting the body was kept in water for 3.5 weeks elsewhere before being moved to where it was found? How is that even credible?

 

[Nikynoo]

You may well have a point but are you also not also guilty of the same supposition that LE are?
She fell / jumped into the river near the bench.
The body was washed downstream and on a winding river she ends up being snagged exactly at the point where the river meets the road, despite there being many other bends in the river.

The most sophisticated sonar equipment could not detect anyhthing.

The police searches reveal nothing.
The body is found by glory hunting mediums despite this area already have being "Well Troden":
Source

Three reasons why it may have taken so long to find Nicola Bulley’s body

Body of missing mother-of-two was discovered in a stretch of river already searched by police

www.independent.co.uk

It takes 23 days for the body to appear and it appears very soon after the searches of the river, riverside are called off.

You would struggle to write a book on this case unless it was pure fiction.

I have to point out that where she was found was the only place that had a fallen tree and/or substantial debris near the edge of the river. If the tree hadn’t been there she would have been found somewhere else. IMO

 

[Nikynoo]

Yes .. worth a read and tends to the line that the body wouldn’t have moved a great deal and was possibly just missed.
The final location being near the road and a possible deposition site for a third party does mean that it is not just a given that she died through falling / jumping into the river.
However it seems that it has been already concluded that there was no third party or at least that’s the impression I get. We just don’t know

It has been concluded that there was no foul play.

I suspect the Coroner has been given a preliminary cause of death that rules out foul play also and so he set the date for the inquest accordingly. A date would not have been set if there even a hint of foul play.

 

[Woodburnbay]

Are you seriously suggesting the body was kept in water for 3.5 weeks elsewhere before being moved to where it was found? How is that even credible?

No-I am not suggesting how long her body was in the water.
I will await the coroners report.

 

[mrjitty]

I have to point out that where she was found was the only place that had a fallen tree and/or substantial debris near the edge of the river. If the tree hadn’t been there she would have been found somewhere else. IMO

Exactly.

 

[Rusty Braincells]

Ok so lets just let police have a nice clear up rate and make their stats look good.

Family weren't convinced she would be in river.

It does need investigating.If you had been abducted and your abductor had made it look like misadventure, you would want the truth to out surely.

I know what you mean in the sense that the police can have the wool pulled over their eyes but they’re certainly investigating. There will be a full inquest too. But at the moment it’s all as it seemed to be from the “official” version.

If anything in the examination of NB’s body points away from from an accidental drowning then I’m sure we will hear about it. Clearly the developments in the case — body found, privacy requested, inquest scheduled — indicate there is nothing suspicious at the time. If the body was of someone who had not drowned three weeks ago things would have gone differently. If it is a body of someone who drowned in another type of water to river water then the medical examination should show this.

I don’t think it matters what the family thought. They were holding onto hope NB wasn’t dead and guided by PF. Of course, if in the river she had drowned so they didn’t want to think that. It’s not like a case where a family don’t think a death was suicide and want murder ruled out because they feel very strongly a family member wouldn’t commit suicide. Family can be wrong but at least the view matters. There was no good reason to think NB wasn’t in the river she went missing without trace by, as sad as that was, and she was. There was nothing to point away from NB drowning, nothing different about her to say that that wasn’t the most likely answer.