UK - Nurse Lucy Letby Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #11

[Anxala]

You'd discard it. It's scrap paper effectively.

Sorry to be dim but can I assume we're talking about computer file notes, rather than a physical paper file into which records are added?

 

[marynnu]

Sorry to be dim but can I assume we're talking about computer file notes, rather than a physical file into which records are added?

That's tricky. Back then some units (like mine) were still using paper notes & drug charts, but it was about to change before I left in 2016. I can't speak for CoC. But the same principle applies either way.

 

[Tortoise]

Sorry to be dim but can I assume we're talking about computer file notes, rather than a physical paper file into which records are added?

It's notes written on a paper towel.

 

[Anxala]

That's tricky. Back then some units (like mine) were still using paper notes & drug charts, but it was about to change before I left in 2016. I can't speak for CoC. But the same principle applies either way.

Thanks for that. The reason I asked is that if it were a physical paper file, then the paper towel note (as source) could have been filed along with it and then LL might have come across it at a later time, noticed it, removed it as rubbish, put it in her pocket and then forgot about it, hence it ending up at her home.

 

[JosieJo]

I didnt realise there was a blood gas reading and a paper towel aswell as the 2 handovers

She had moved into her house hadn't she so why on earth would they be in a bag underneath bed?

 

[Anxala]

It's notes written on a paper towel.

See above at #545. I was asking about the manner in which official notes are recorded.

 

[ColourPurple]

I didnt realise there was a blood gas reading and a paper towel aswell as the 2 handovers

She had moved into her house hadn't she so why on earth would they be in a bag underneath bed?

Yes , she had moved in to her new house so they can't have come from a bag of stuff she'd inadvertently moved from her old digs.

 

[Tortoise]

Baby M is the one she recorded in her diary too, Long Day - Twin Resus.

(Long Day is the name of the shift she worked)

 

[Tortoise]

"Giving evidence nurse Mary Griffith said she was responsible for drawing up and checking the resuscitation drugs for Child M.

She told the court the paper towel would have been on the resuscitation trolley and provided a record for doctors of what drugs had been given and when as events unfolded."

https://www.itv.com/news/granada/20...iven-to-baby-found-at-letbys-home-court-hears

 

[JosieJo]

Has there been any mention in LL police interview as to her version of why she had these pieces of paper?

 

[Tortoise]

"She thought she must have taken the notes home 'by accident', and had simply noted what had happened in her diary.
She denied that the notes were a "souvenir" and denied deliberately trying to harm Child M. She could think of no reason how he would have suffered an air embolism."

Recap: Prosecution opens trial of Lucy Letby accused of Countess of Chester Hospital baby murders

 

[marynnu]

Thing is, as far as I'm concerned there is no reason whatsoever that you would even put this paper towel in your pocket at all. Stuff for your own use such as jottings about your own patients, lists of things you need to do, a message you took for someone etc etc., this I understand. But pocketing this makes no sense to me.

 

[ColourPurple]

"Giving evidence nurse Mary Griffith said she was responsible for drawing up and checking the resuscitation drugs for Child M.

She told the court the paper towel would have been on the resuscitation trolley and provided a record for doctors of what drugs had been given and when as events unfolded."

https://www.itv.com/news/granada/20...iven-to-baby-found-at-letbys-home-court-hears

"Simon Driver, prosecuting stold the court the paper towel – along with a blood gas measurement report for Child M – was discovered in a Morrisons shopping bag beneath a bed in a bedroom at the defendant’s former address in Westbourne Road, Chester, on 4 July 2018."

I wonder what else if anything was in the bag?

 

[Dotta]

"She thought she must have taken the notes home 'by accident', and had simply noted what had happened in her diary.
She denied that the notes were a "souvenir" and denied deliberately trying to harm Child M. She could think of no reason how he would have suffered an air embolism."

Recap: Prosecution opens trial of Lucy Letby accused of Countess of Chester Hospital baby murders

This paper towel was a "live record" of Baby M fighting for his life

 

[Tortoise]

I wonder if she didn't clean under her bed for 2 years.

 

[marynnu]

I wonder if she didn't clean under her bed for 2 years.

Hadn't she moved into this house not long before?
(If it were my house that would be a totally valid point!!)

 

[Tortoise]

Hadn't she moved into this house not long before?
(If it were my house that would be a totally valid point!!)

She moved into her house 4 days before baby M's collapse.

 

[Anxala]

Thing is, as far as I'm concerned there is no reason whatsoever that you would even put this paper towel in your pocket at all. Stuff for your own use such as jottings about your own patients, lists of things you need to do, a message you took for someone etc etc., this I understand. But pocketing this makes no sense to me.

I appreciate that, I was merely trying to envisage a scenario where something potentially 'loaded' could have a very mundane and even benign explanation.

I think we'll just have to add it to the very long list of things that don't make sense here, or at least not to us as observers.

 

[marynnu]

She moved into her house 4 days before baby M's collapse.

So, does that make this more strange? Or is it just me!

 

[JosieJo]

So, does that make this more strange? Or is it just me!

Yes I feel it does as its not been moved amongst other documents in a house move ...no need for it to be in a bag under the bed at all