UK - Nurse Lucy Letby Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #11

[Sweeper2000]

Interesting development for sure. The paper towel written on must have been used to copy into The proper file later on right? Haven’t been following today so not sure on things. Was it LL writing the notes on the towel? and so presumably was her writing up the notes later on? Just read it was probably three nurses involved Including LL. I think it would depend on who copied the notes up later but can’t think it would have been anyone else than LL. otherwise she presumably would not have been able to pick it up.

anyone think the prosecution not mentioning the contents of the bag suggests it was found in loads of notes? Would be very useful to their case for it to be found by itself. I can envision someone just packing loads of notes into a plastic bag, lots of people do but no way in a million years can I see those notes being taken by themselves in a bag. That’s too much for me.

 

[Sweeper2000]

Dom.

 

[WaxLyrical]

I think it depends on whether this bag was stuffed with tons of random bits of paper, including many hospital records which have been inadvertently stuffed in a uniform pocket. Or whether these two documents were standalone, and being preserved inside a bag. Were the other docs relating to babies in the trial all in the same Morrisons bag? Or was she the kind of person who never binned anything and there were piles of random stuff all over the place. JMO

 

[marynnu]

I think it depends on whether this bag was stuffed with tons of random bits of paper, including many hospital records which have been inadvertently stuffed in a uniform pocket. Or whether these two documents were standalone, and being preserved inside a bag. Were the other docs relating to babies in the trial all in the same Morrisons bag? Or was she the kind of person who never binned anything and there were piles of random stuff all over the place. JMO

Someone on here has said she moved house just 4 days before Baby M's collapse. Assuming this is accurate, the presence of the paper towel and blood gas printout in the bag surely can't have been due to the chaos involved in moving, when you end up taking all sorts of stuff in the inevitable last-minute rush.

 

[Dotta]

Or was she the kind of person who never binned anything and there were piles of random stuff all over the place. JMO

Do you mean like a "hoarder's" house?
Some make tunnels to get to front door

 

[WaxLyrical]

Someone on here has said she moved house just 4 days before Baby M's collapse. Assuming this is accurate, the presence of the paper towel and blood gas printout in the bag surely can't have been due to the chaos involved in moving, when you end up taking all sorts of stuff in the inevitable last-minute rush.

Indeed but we don’t know when they were actually put under the bed. Presumably she wouldn’t have thrown them out in the normal rubbish as they were confidential. So did they end up stuffed in a drawer for some time until they were finally ‘tidied up’ by being shoved in a bag and out of sight at a later date.

 

[WaxLyrical]

Do you mean like a "hoarder's" house?
Some make tunnels to get to front door

Maybe not full on hoarder house, but I know a couple of people who do hoard rubbish like this, ends up in boxes or bags, stuffed into the corners of cupboards or under the bed. It’s not my style of living personally (too much of an arachnophobe!).

Who knows, we might get to see photos of the inside of the house depending on what happens in this trial. For some reason I’m not expecting the house to be tidy and organised.

 

[Sweeper2000]

I think it depends on whether this bag was stuffed with tons of random bits of paper, including many hospital records which have been inadvertently stuffed in a uniform pocket. Or whether these two documents were standalone, and being preserved inside a bag. Were the other docs relating to babies in the trial all in the same Morrisons bag? Or was she the kind of person who never binned anything and there were piles of random stuff all over the place. JMO

We know mr Myers has said she is one of those people who hangs onto bits of paper.

“Mr Myers said the paperwork and notes found in Letby’s possession showed she was the type of person who scribbles things down a lot and hangs on to bits of paper, and “nothing more extraordinary than that.”.

Lucy Letby: murder accused was "dedicated nurse" who "loved her job"

MURDER accused Hereford nurse "loved her job" and "cared deeply about the babies", the defence have said as they open their case…

www.herefordtimes.com

does that clear it up? must be among loads of notes.

 

[DianaWW]

I just find really hard to imagine why, if she accidentally found these things in her pocket or whatever when she got home from a shift, she would place them in a bag (because she wouldn’t have been carrying a Morrisons bag around the ward with her), and keep them underneath her bed. It’s not like the other note, that she’s presumably written at home and left somewhere. She’s deliberately placed it somewhere that’s typically used to store things. I do agree it might mean less if there was lots of other random pieces of paper with it I suppose, but still find it odd. IMO.

 

[Dotta]

All these bags stuffed with paper were fire hazard!
And under the bed?
Oh well...
Weirder and weirder

JMO

 

[ColourPurple]

"She thought she must have taken the notes home 'by accident', and had simply noted what had happened in her diary.
She denied that the notes were a "souvenir" and denied deliberately trying to harm Child M. She could think of no reason how he would have suffered an air embolism."

Recap: Prosecution opens trial of Lucy Letby accused of Countess of Chester Hospital baby murders

The diary entry does make the diary sound like it was more like a bog standard diary to keep track of her shifts and important dates or events... rather than a journal style diary where she shared her innermost thoughts, as some of us had imagined before

 

[Sweeper2000]

I think we might get some pictures of the layout of the room. I think we might get some pics of the notes themselves. If it’s all tatty and folded it’s presumably not of any significance. I think it being in a Morrison’s bag suggests it’s not of significance as well. You know emptying draws you just think “bung it all in whatever is handy and sort it out later, no idea what’s in there tbh but will sort it out at some point”.

 

[LadyEdgeworth]

So, does that make this more strange? Or is it just me!

Makes it more strange to me, you can’t exactly say it was randomly in a pile of documents you have in the junk drawer and you took them all with you. It’s been purposefully put into a bag, under your bed. I can accept that things do get taken home by mistake but it seems everyone agrees that you just bin it, not put it under your bed

 

[LadyEdgeworth]

We know mr Myers has said she is one of those people who hangs onto bits of paper.

“Mr Myers said the paperwork and notes found in Letby’s possession showed she was the type of person who scribbles things down a lot and hangs on to bits of paper, and “nothing more extraordinary than that.”.

Lucy Letby: murder accused was "dedicated nurse" who "loved her job"

MURDER accused Hereford nurse "loved her job" and "cared deeply about the babies", the defence have said as they open their case…

www.herefordtimes.com

does that clear it up? must be among loads of notes.

I am someone who hangs on to what other people what call rubbish basically lol, not a hoarder but my purse is always full of old receipts, I keep movie tickets and post it notes and I still have all my exercise books from school because I’m convinced one day I will definitely need them for something!! I do just find the fact she’d just moved house before this makes it weirder, in my opinion, if it was 4 days before I could accept that they’d just been caught up in the move. I’d like to know more about what else was in that bag, other random bits of scrap paper, other things from work, or other things from the cases.

 

[Dotta]

Makes it more strange to me, you can’t exactly say it was randomly in a pile of documents you have in the junk drawer and you took them all with you. It’s been purposefully put into a bag, under your bed. I can accept that things do get taken home by mistake but it seems everyone agrees that you just bin it, not put it under your bed

Kids usually put their "treasures" under the bed.
And I guess, for an alleged serial killer, what a better place to keep the "souvenir" of Baby's agony?

Isn't it a view of Prosecution?

But hey, "Fate" decided otherwise and the Baby and his twin brother returned home
Didn't she text about Fate?

JMO

 

[bbsaz]

Its interesting the way everyone interprets the bag thing so differently. The fact it was seemingly in a bag on its own (rather than in a stash of hospital docs) supports the idea that its more accidental for me.

I could easy have some paper in my pocket, go to the supermarket on the way home, find bits in my pocket and shove them in the supermarket bag, then when emptied of food, shove that empty bag under the bed where maybe all her empty shopping bags go...

I often find old bags with reciepts in and essentially these are work reciepts.

Imo, I find so much of this case concerning, but dont actually see much to be suspicious about with the bag thing

Of course, more contextual info could completely change that opinion

 

[marynnu]

Its interesting the way everyone interprets the bag thing so differently. The fact it was seemingly in a bag on its own (rather than in a stash of hospital docs) supports the idea that its more accidental for me.

I could easy have some paper in my pocket, go to the supermarket on the way home, find bits in my pocket and shove them in the supermarket bag, then when emptied of food, shove that empty bag under the bed where maybe all her empty shopping bags go...

I often find old bags with reciepts in and essentially these are work reciepts.

Imo, I find so much of this case concerning, but dont actually see much to be suspicious about with the bag thing

Of course, more contextual info could completely change that opinion

i would say the difference is that these are not just any old bits of paper but notes & documents which should never have left the hospital. It's possible to take things home in error but as a nurse you have a responsibility to return or dispose of them correctly. Patient confidentiality is taken extremely seriously.

 

[Becci]

& was that note jotted down on the day she won the grand national & was having an unpacking party?
Maybe she just got all bits n pieces out of the way before her friends arrived.

 

[Dotta]

& was that note jotted down on the day she won the grand national & was having an unpacking party?
Maybe she just got all bits n pieces out of the way before her friends arrived.

But when exactly did Police find that bag???

I thought it was 2 years!!! after this welcoming party!

ETA
Police search of LL's house 2018

Police dig up back garden and search gutters at home of neonatal nurse

Police officers are digging up land around Lucy Letby's home in Chester and searching gutters after she was arrested on suspicion of the murder of 8 babies at the Countess of Chester hospital.

www-dailymail-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org

 

[Sweeper2000]

I am someone who hangs on to what other people what call rubbish basically lol, not a hoarder but my purse is always full of old receipts, I keep movie tickets and post it notes and I still have all my exercise books from school because I’m convinced one day I will definitely need them for something!! I do just find the fact she’d just moved house before this makes it weirder, in my opinion, if it was 4 days before I could accept that they’d just been caught up in the move. I’d like to know more about what else was in that bag, other random bits of scrap paper, other things from work, or other things from the cases.

Definitely not a hoarder I do the same tbh. I still have notes from when I first started learning music, six years now. I think it helps me keep track of progress and helps with specific memories.

definitely like to know what else was in the bag. I’m wondering what else of the med notes has been presented in the cases already. Like the handover sheet. Just a quick memory recall we have med notes for child m, a handover sheet maybe two? Can’t remember anything else.

would like to know each potential “souvenir“. Im not really attaching any significance to the diary. Think it has three relevant notes. Would be interesting if the majority of the souvenirs corresponded with deaths.

im not quite sure how to read it being under the bed. To me it suggests “out of sight, out of mind” but could be wrong. Could be “keep it for later” as well but It certainly doesn’t sound like the Morrison’s bag was organised in any way.

could it also read that she didn’t associate the notes with a threat? They are certainly not hidden in any way or seem to be a memorial. Does that mean she wasn’t trying to cover her tracks or was it that she deemed the value of the “souvenirs“ to be worth the risk?