UK - Nurse Lucy Letby Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #12

[Sweeper2000]

3:01pm

Letby is involved in a Whatsapp message conversation with a nurse, and a Facebook messanger conversation with a doctor at this time.
The nurse colleague complains about work colleagues on that night shift.
Letby says she has had a "lovely run of shifts in 3".
"Nice babies and parents"
Letby messages the doctor to say she was planning to go to Torquay with her parents in July 2016, and discusses about her having had hypothyroidism since she was 11, and had 'blips over the past 12 months'.

3:04pm

A nursing note by Jennifer Jones-Key just after 1am on June 15 records Child N had become 'very unsettled' and was 'pale, mottled and veiny' with slight abdominal distension.
A blood test was taken for analysis.
Further observations are taken.

3:07pm

Letby messages her colleague at 5.10am: 'Awake already'
Her colleague replies: "I wouldn't come in!"
Letby: "Oh...why"
The colleague replies: "5 admissions, 1 vent"
LL: "OMG"
Colleague: "Baby [N] screened, looks like s**t"

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, Thursday, March 2

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

 

[Sweeper2000]

3:12pm

Jennifer Jones-Key's note before 6am: 'baby looked worst this morning and cap refil after 3 secs. Reviewed again by paeds...'
Letby messages a doctor colleague saying she might be back in '1' again for her next day shift, in nursery room 1.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, Thursday, March 2

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

 

[Sweeper2000]

3:17pm

Lucy Letby is recorded as entering the neonatal unit at 7.10am. She messages the doctor: "No repeat today. I've escaped being in 1, back in 3".
The sequence of events shows Child N had a desaturation at 7.15am.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, Thursday, March 2

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

 

[Sweeper2000]

I do hope this desat at 7.15 isn’t thought to be suspicious. I bet she hadn’t even hung her coat up.

 

[marynnu]

I know it almost certainly means nothing, but hypothyroidism since she was 11 and has been having blips for the last 12 months? How interesting. To me, anyway!

 

[Tortoise]

I know it means nothing, but hypothyroidism since she was 11 and has been having blips for the last 12 months? How interesting. To me, anyway!

bit more on that -
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Jury is shown some WhatsApp and Facebook messages. One exchange is between Lucy Letby and a doctor colleague where she explains to him that she’s been having problems with her thyroid which had been giving her tremors

 

[Sweeper2000]

3:17pm

Lucy Letby is recorded as entering the neonatal unit at 7.10am. She messages the doctor: "No repeat today. I've escaped being in 1, back in 3".
The sequence of events shows Child N had a desaturation at 7.15am.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, Thursday, March 2

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

 

[scottishgal]

I know it means nothing, but hypothyroidism since she was 11 and has been having blips for the last 12 months? How interesting. To me, anyway!

Yes heard about this in young women but never in a child so early ....

also @Sweeper2000 - I thought the two okays at the end from her colleague felt like she wasnt as much into continuing the playful talk as LL was - and also thought the 'flirts as much as you' was as girl banter but is usually followed with smiley emojis or a wink - maybe those parts were not reported - just gives interesting glimpses tho into LL social network

LL certainly talks on SM a lot during work, which I am sure we all do but unusual that all the banter is with work people rather than friends outside - maybe again selective reporting as those texts wouldnt have anything pertinent to the case I guess

 

[Sweeper2000]

3:28pm

Jennifer Jones-Key records: 'at 0715 baby crying and dropped saturations - as seen by NNU nurse Lucy [Letby].'

3:31pm

The nurse adds Child N had to be given 100% oxygen support by a doctor.
Child N was transferred to nursery room 1 at 8am.
A note is made on the resiting of the NG Tube - 'NG resited in right nostril with acide reaction. At handover baby dropped saturations and required Neopuff. Care handed over to NNU nurse Lucy Letby'.
Lucy Letby is recorded as being the designated nurse for the day shift on June 15, and records, in a noe written retrospectively: 'Infant transferred to nursery 1 on handover. Mottled, desaturating requiring Neopuff and oxygen...cold to touch.'

3:35pm

Lucy Letby records, in a not written at 1.53pm for care at about 9am: 'Unable to intubate - fresh blood noted in mouth and yielded via suction ++.'


3:38pm

Letby messages her colleague on Whatsapp before 10am: 'Thanks for staying to help. Much appreciated.'
Letby records '1ml fresh blood aspirated' from Child N at 10am.


3:42pm

A doctor colleague messages Lucy Letby before 11am to ask: "Is he ok?"
Letby notes, at 11am: 'Small amount of fresh blood orally and 1ml from NG tube'
Letby messages the doctor in response: 'Small amounts of blood from mouth & 1ml from NG. Looks like pulmonary bleed on xray...
"Sorry if I was off during intubation...I like things to be tidy & calm (Well, as much as possible!)"

3:44pm

The doctor responds: "No, you were perfectly fine with me...I thought you were wanting to just get on with in case there was another desat."

3:47pm

Letby replies: 'Well I have got my hair in a bun today, it's only fitting that I was 'serious Lucy' !!'
Letby adds 'no more bleeding thankfully', in relation to Child N.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, Thursday, March 2

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

 

[Sweeper2000]

I know it almost certainly means nothing, but hypothyroidism since she was 11 and has been having blips for the last 12 months? How interesting. To me, anyway!

Anyone know if such a thing can affect fertility?

 

[scottishgal]

All of this ongoing whatsapp chat with the doctor (calling him Dr Mcdreamy in my head, sorry not being facetious, just 2 much Greys) looks normal , and not like someone who was on the side in attack mode .....

 

[notsure]

I wonder what she meant by "nice babies and parents" - kind of implies that she thought some were not so nice. IMO

 

[scottishgal]

Anyone know if such a thing can affect fertility?

Yes both Hypo and hyper thyroid causes irregular menstruation /ovulation and one of the leading causes of I would think - but can be treated to normalise - many of my GFs had it when we were growing up - in their late teens and twenties not at pre teens tho.

 

[Sweeper2000]

Yes heard about this in young women but never in a child so early ....

also @Sweeper2000 - I thought the two okays at the end from her colleague felt like she wasnt as much into continuing the playful talk as LL was - and also thought the 'flirts as much as you' was as girl banter but is usually followed with smiley emojis or a wink - maybe those parts were not reported - just gives interesting glimpses tho into LL social network

LL certainly talks on SM a lot during work, which I am sure we all do but unusual that all the banter is with work people rather than friends outside - maybe again selective reporting as those texts wouldnt have anything pertinent to the case I guess

that’s what I can’t figure out. If they are nothing more than jovial coms and not relevant to the case why include them?

 

[scottishgal]

I wonder what she meant by "nice babies and parents" - kind of implies that she thought some were not so nice. IMO

good spot , yes ....

 

[scottishgal]

that’s what I can’t figure out. If they are nothing more than jovial coms and not relevant to the case why include them?

Now that you mention it , I cant help wonder the same too

who do we think it is whom she cried at the sight of / hearing his voice .....

I thought the earlier messages all were relevant to prosecution as they indicated she was offering a diagnosis for the collapse to pre-empt guessing among her peer group from their perspective

 

[scottishgal]

3:47pm

Letby replies: 'Well I have got my hair in a bun today, it's only fitting that I was 'serious Lucy' !!'
Letby adds 'no more bleeding thankfully', in relation to Child N.

Pros didnt mention the doctor's reply, wonder why her hair comment was relevant then.....unless they are trying to say not professional at work or something

 

[marynnu]

Yes both Hypo and hyper thyroid causes irregular menstruation /ovulation and one of the leading causes of I would think - but can be treated to normalise - many of my GFs had it when we were growing up - in their late teens and twenties not at pre teens tho.

I think it can cause mood swings too, if not well controlled.

 

[magikarpmagikarp]

3:47pm

Letby replies: 'Well I have got my hair in a bun today, it's only fitting that I was 'serious Lucy' !!'
Letby adds 'no more bleeding thankfully', in relation to Child N.

Pros didnt mention the doctor's reply, wonder why her hair comment was relevant then.....unless they are trying to say not professional at work or something

"Hair in bun" - took this to mean she expects to be working hard today. Like, putting your hair up so it doesn't get in the way.

 

[scottishgal]

"Hair in bun" - took this to mean she expects to be working hard today. Like, putting your hair up so it doesn't get in the way.

thank you I did understand the 'hair in bun' reference - just that Sweeper2000 got me wondering as well why some of these personal banter comments are being referenced and read out by prosecution and some are not (like what the doctor's reply was to that , if any) - figured out half the answer though that her colleague's anonymity and messages are being protected under privacy laws unless really relevant to the case.