UK - Nurse Lucy Letby Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #14

[esther43]

Mr Myers said: “Who were making these comments?”

The doctor said: “Other junior doctors, some consultant colleagues. But again not in a way that would make you think anything untoward in the way of harm being done was going on.”

I wonder if Dr choc had heard these rumours.
If he'd have heard whispers and yet was spending one to one time with LL that must have been weird, trying to reassure her.
It sounds like the concerns around LL are soon to become more 'out there'
I wonder how long he continued to pacify her.

 

[katydid23]

Dan O'Donoghue

@MrDanDonoghue


Consultant Dr John Gibbs is first in the witness box. He is recalling the events immediately after Child O's (Child P's brother) death on June 23 2016

Dr Gibbs tells the court that when he saw Child O, in the moments before his death, he remembered 'feeling uncomfortable and thought oh no, not another one

He said he had become 'increasingly concerned at the accumulating number of unusual, unexpected and inexplicable collapses that had been happening on the neonatal unit and that staff nurse Letby had been involved in all of them'

Dr Gibbs tells the court that after Child O's death, his brother Child P was started on antibiotics and sent for an abdominal X-ray as a precaution

 

[katydid23]

WOW

Dr Gibbs tells the court that when he saw Child O, in the moments before his death, he remembered 'feeling uncomfortable and thought oh no, not another one

He said he had become 'increasingly concerned at the accumulating number of unusual, unexpected and inexplicable collapses that had been happening on the neonatal unit and that staff nurse Letby had been involved in all of them'

 

[Phoenix Lazarus]

"Dr Gibbs said that Child P was a 'well baby' on 23 June. He said he was 'extremely concerned' to learn of Child P's death the following day, he said he 'would not have expected that at all"

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[Phoenix Lazarus]

"Dr Gibbs tells the court that the death of the brothers was a 'tipping point for realising something very abnormal and wrong was happening on our neonatal unit"

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[ColourPurple]

The Chester live reporting didn't say it was LL who said this. Just 'a nurse'. I think it's likely to be more accurate than DM.

Putting the previous incident aside... the evidence from the female doctor yesterday was definitely about LL. What are your thoughts on LL saying "He's not leaving here alive is he" and then apparently being "excited" and "animated" when asking the parents if they'd like her to make up a memory box?

 

[Phoenix Lazarus]

"Mr Myers repeatedly put it to Dr Gibbs that if he had concerns he would have taken action. Dr Gibbs repeated that he knew it had been raised by colleagues with management. He said the senior consultants had openly discussed 'the one common factor' in the baby deaths"

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[esther43]

WOW

Dr Gibbs tells the court that when he saw Child O, in the moments before his death, he remembered 'feeling uncomfortable and thought oh no, not another one

He said he had become 'increasingly concerned at the accumulating number of unusual, unexpected and inexplicable collapses that had been happening on the neonatal unit and that staff nurse Letby had been involved in all of them'

Yes... Note that... All of them! So quite possibly the other babies that were not a part of this trial.

 

[Tortoise]

"Mr Myers repeatedly put it to Dr Gibbs that if he had concerns he would have taken action. Dr Gibbs repeated that he knew it had been raised by colleagues with management. He said the senior consultants had openly discussed 'the one common factor' in the baby deaths"

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IMO a bit of a ridiculous line of questioning with it being known that they couldn't get senior management to take their concerns seriously but when they did LL was removed faster than you can say Jack Robinson.

 

[Tortoise]

Yes... Note that... All of them! So quite possibly the other babies that were not a part of this trial.

why does that make you think there were other babies?

We know it was more than babies O and P by that date

 

[Parker Knoll]

Putting the previous incident aside... the evidence from the female doctor yesterday was definitely about LL. What are your thoughts on LL saying "He's not leaving here alive is he" and then apparently being "excited" and "animated" when asking the parents if they'd like her to make up a memory box?

That if correct Letby is an utter psychopath.

 

[Phoenix Lazarus]

"Dr Gibbs said 'over the next 11months we had to resolutely resist attempts by management to have staff nurse Letby back on the unit"

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[esther43]

why does that make you think there were other babies?

We know it was more than babies O and P by that date

This is why I said possibly.
Possibly he was referring to all the babies included in this trial.
Possibly he is referring to all the deaths that occured at CoC 2015-2016.

 

[esther43]

"Dr Gibbs said 'over the next 11months we had to resolutely resist attempts by management to have staff nurse Letby back on the unit"

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Sounds like she was desperately trying to get back in. I'm guessing as the months went by and the death toll decreased, that possibility was looking less and less likely.

 

[DinerMite]

So is it fair to say the grievance referred to in the note is likely to be in relation to "trying" to get back onto the unit? It would make sense imo

Also, Myers irritates me in that just because someone didn't call the police doesn't mean a crime wasn't committed. They aren't exclusive, it doesn't strengthen his "all eyes on lucy" approach or anything - just makes his argument weak imo

 

[katydid23]

Sounds like she was desperately trying to get back in. I'm guessing as the months went by and the death toll decreased, that possibility was looking less and less likely.

That is frightening, if she is guilty.

 

[Tortoise]

"Dr Gibbs said 'over the next 11months we had to resolutely resist attempts by management to have staff nurse Letby back on the unit"

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So until the police were contacted she was trying to get her job back, or management were trying for that.

 

[Parker Knoll]

To me it makes a mockery of the “ confirmation bias “
They ( management ) were actively trying to keep her there.

 

[DinerMite]

That is frightening, if she is guilty.

I do feel there is somewhat of a boldness and a cheek to the situation IF guilty. Like she didn't just slip away to another hospital, she fought her corner for a long while. Is that delusion or ego i wonder? Strange case really imo.

 

[LorriB]

Putting the previous incident aside... the evidence from the female doctor yesterday was definitely about LL. What are your thoughts on LL saying "He's not leaving here alive is he" and then apparently being "excited" and "animated" when asking the parents if they'd like her to make up a memory box?

The leaving here alive thing I don't really think anything of. LL interpreted him as sicker than the doctor did.

I think if LL did say the rest of it in that excited tone then it is very very weird. JMO