UK - Nurse Lucy Letby Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #15

[ColourPurple]

My ex of 17 years, or thereabouts, was Swedish who became a journo on British newspapers. Respect to her for that, not withstanding, well....stuff!

Current other half - who I sincerely hope will stick around forever - is Greek......well half Greek/half Scottish.

Small World!
Thing that intreges me; if she's guilty, and IF the motivation for all of this (even if only in part) is getting attention from eligible single male doctors then why the need to go to such extremes?

She's not unattractive, she seems not to be particularly objectionable, personality-wise, as from her FB pics she seems to have plenty of friends; she seems to be very financially responsible (owned her own house); seems generally level-headed, etc.

Young women of that profile rarely have problems finding partners. Feels to me like she could have rinsed this guy if she chose to - why the need to cause all this unnecessary drama?

All MOO only, obviously.

I'd say, if she's guilty, it goes way beyond trying to find a partner and is an inherent part of her personality. I'd say it's more in line with seeing the babies as tools or objects that she can use to meet her own needs. I'm sure experts will have a field day diagnsoing her if she is found guilty.

 

[Dcflag]

JMO, not even an opinion really, just some thoughts I just had.
Could LL have been a twin or tripelet herself and she was the only survivor, I say this as her parents are a little older, maybe they had fertility help, and LL is jealous when multiple births survive? and alternately could she have been wanting a ababy herself and was jealous of the parents?
JMO and if guilty

Following along this vein. Perhaps the idea that people using fertility treatments was the issue. If particularly religious (or maybe even not) it could be seen as cheating god, or bringing babies into the world that perhaps never would have been otherwise, so by doing what she’s doing she’s bringing back the balance as it’s fate that determines if the baby survives her or not.

I’m not really sure how she would know which babies were born through fertility treatments I wonder if it would be in any notes, are the maternity notes available to nicu? I know when I had my second child, a nurse on the post natal ward was able to pull up my first child’s maternity notes, the actual paper book. I’d imagine if during the first midwife appointment it was said the pregnancy was the result of fertility treatment it would say, or even there might be notes from the treatment and handing over care to a normal midwife team?

(All pure speculation on my part if guilty)

 

[Dcflag]

I posted much the same (I had not seen your post).
I do think there was more going on between them than what we are privy to
JMO

It could just be that we’re looking for a conventional relationship, when lots of people these days don’t have that, especially I’d imagine in such a demanding career.

 

[ColourPurple]

Following along this vein. Perhaps the idea that people using fertility treatments was the issue. If particularly religious (or maybe even not) it could be seen as cheating god, or bringing babies into the world that perhaps never would have been otherwise, so by doing what she’s doing she’s bringing back the balance as it’s fate that determines if the baby survives her or not.

I’m not really sure how she would know which babies were born through fertility treatments I wonder if it would be in any notes, are the maternity notes available to nicu? I know when I had my second child, a nurse on the post natal ward was able to pull up my first child’s maternity notes, the actual paper book. I’d imagine if during the first midwife appointment it was said the pregnancy was the result of fertility treatment it would say, or even there might be notes from the treatment and handing over care to a normal midwife team?

(All pure speculation on my part if guilty)

If guilty, It could be one of the reasons she targeted certain babies, but then we know others like the triplets were born naturally. IMO if guilty, she may have been creating her own little hospital drama, with herself in the starring role, and targeted babies that would provide the most dramatic storylines... twins with the aim of both babies dying, rare triplets with the aim of all of them dying, babies where parents had waited years for, babies that were expected to go home that day, a baby that was 100 days old that day etc etc.

All IMO , if guilty, etc.

 

[ColourPurple]

This is all my own opinion, and only if LL is found to be guilty:

Personally, I doubt that liver injury was the aim, or in fact that murder was generally. I think it was all an unintended result of inflicting pain & harm.

IMO if guilty, she seemed to enjoy the whole bereavement process too though, especially the memory boxes and there's none of that unless the babies die. The liver injury is really random though. I wonder if she struck out in temper as the baby wasn't as the resus attempt had been succesful?if guilty.

IMO , if guilty

 

[Tortoise]

Dan O'Donoghue

@MrDanDonoghue
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Lucy Letby's murder trial continues with evidence from expert pathologist Dr Andreas Marnerides this morning. The medic told the court yesterday that it was 'likely' a number of babies died at the Countess of Chester Hospital as a result of air injection

 

[Tortoise]

IMO if guilty, she seemed to enjoy the whole bereavement process too though, especially the memory boxes and there's none of that unless the babies die. The liver injury is really random though. I wonder if she struck out in temper as the baby wasn't as the resus attempt had been succesful?if guilty.

IMO , if guilty

Dr Choc had been called to attend the collapse of baby N, and unable to intubate because of alleged throat trauma, which was exactly a week before baby O, baby N happening on her last day before holiday and baby O her first day back from holiday. I think the (alleged) throat traumas would become too obvious and the (alleged) liver trauma could be a sign of LL needing something different and non-apparent at intubation, if she's guilty.

 

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Dr Marnerides was asked to review the case by Cheshire Police in 2017. He is currently taking the court through his review of Child P, who was one of triplets born in June 2016.

Ms Letby is accused of killing the boy the day after allegedly murdering his triplet brother, Child O. The Crown say he was killed by an injection of air into his bloodstream.

 

[notsure]

We're trying to imagine the unimaginable: a motive for killing tiny defenceless babies. There must be some deep-seated rage in order to commit such acts, and I can't believe it hasn't manifested itself previously in some way. Perhaps we will find out more, if guilty, IMO.

 

[ColourPurple]

Dr Choc had been called to attend the collapse of baby N, and unable to intubate because of alleged throat trauma, which was exactly a week before baby O, baby N happening on her last day before holiday and baby O her first day back from holiday. I think the (alleged) throat traumas would become too obvious and the (alleged) liver trauma could be a sign of LL needing something different and non-apparent at intubation, if she's guilty.

Ah that would make sense. Well, as much sense as any of this can make.

 

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Dan O'Donoghue

@MrDanDonoghue
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Dr Marnerides said in his review of Child P, he could not find anything to 'indicate natural disease for the baby's death'

Dan O'Donoghue

@MrDanDonoghue
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To assist the jury with his findings in relation to Child P, Dr Marnerides is presenting photographs of the baby boy's liver, taken at post-mortem, to the court. The images show small bruises on the outside of the boy's liver

 

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Dan O'Donoghue

@MrDanDonoghue
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Dr Marnerides tells the court that the bruising, although a lot smaller, is in the same area that it was found in Child P's brother Child O. The court heard yesterday that Child O suffered a liver injury akin to a road traffic collision.

 

[marynnu]

Bruises on Baby P's liver? Has this been mentioned before? I missed it, or maybe mixed up the findings for the triplets.

 

[Dotta]

Dan O'Donoghue
@MrDanDonoghue
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Dr Marnerides said in his review of Child P, he could not find anything to 'indicate natural disease for the baby's death'

Dan O'Donoghue
@MrDanDonoghue
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To assist the jury with his findings in relation to Child P, Dr Marnerides is presenting photographs of the baby boy's liver, taken at post-mortem, to the court. The images show small bruises on the outside of the boy's liver

So many experts speak with one voice!

Together with hospital Consultants.

 

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Dan O'Donoghue

@MrDanDonoghue
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The medic says the bruising found 'could' be the result of CPR - asked whether it could be another impact injury, he says 'I don’t have enough to say that'

 

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Dan O'Donoghue

@MrDanDonoghue
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Dr Marnerides says having reviewed all the evidence, it is his opinion that Child P died as a result of 'excessive injection of air into the stomach'

 

[Kemug]

We're trying to imagine the unimaginable: a motive for killing tiny defenceless babies. There must be some deep-seated rage in order to commit such acts, and I can't believe it hasn't manifested itself previously in some way. Perhaps we will find out more, if guilty, IMO.

Yes, if guilty, there may well be some past events that we hear about. Not from LL's parents, I don't think, but maybe from past acquaintances, old school friends, neighbours, etc. If guilty.

 

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Dan O'Donoghue

@MrDanDonoghue
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Ms Letby's defence lawyer, Ben Myers KC, is now cross examining Dr Marnerides - he starts by telling the court that there are 'strict rules about the extent to which an expert can give an opinion on matters outside their specialism' - he agrees

 

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Dan O'Donoghue
@MrDanDonoghue
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The medic accepts he cannot offer a view on day to day care, feeding, breathing support or resuscitation of the babies in this case.

Dan O'Donoghue
@MrDanDonoghue
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Mr Myers says when there is no specific fin[d]ings 'one way or another' in the pathology, he works on the basis of the opinions of the clinicians 'unless something directly contradicts that' - Dr Marnerides agrees

 

[ColourPurple]

Yes, if guilty, there may well be some past events that we hear about. Not from LL's parents, I don't think, but maybe from past acquaintances, old school friends, neighbours, etc. If guilty.

If guilty, her preferred victims appear to be those who cannot speak out, and attacks are usually carried out when she is alone with them, so I'm not convinced we will hear anything, even if she's found guilty.

All IMO , if guilty.