UK - Nurse Lucy Letby Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #17

[Phoenix Lazarus]

Tomorrow the Court might not be sitting again

This is going into June,isn't it?

 

[notsure]

Oh yes, this is sort of my point.

The notes, imo, lean toward a very disturbed mind. Whether that is a state which existed before the alleged crimes or manifested later due to the potential outcome is the real question.

It would be interesting to know whether the prosecution has anything to demonstrate that she was of this frame of mind prior to the allegations.

If that degree of disturbance was her usual state of mind, it's hard to believe that it wouldn't have shown itself occasionally to her friends and colleagues. Nobody can keep up a facade 100 percent of the time, or can they...?

 

[May72031]

This is going into June,isn't it?

Wouldn't surprise if it went into July.

 

[Dotta]

This is going into June,isn't it?

Well
It was supposed to last for 6 months.
We have already met this dateline and the trial is still in Prosecution stage.

I have no idea.

PS
How many pictures have you got?

 

[Dotta]

If that degree of disturbance was her usual state of mind, it's hard to believe that it wouldn't have shown itself occasionally to her friends and colleagues. Nobody can keep up a facade 100 percent of the time, or can they...?

The question that amazes me is how such a person got a job with close contact with people?
And in medical field.
If I see red flags just reading reports, what does it say about medical staff?

But, I guess nothing is going to surprise me any more in this particular case.

JMO

 

[Legal]

Wouldn't surprise if it went into July.

July 2025

 

[notsure]

The question that amazes me is how such a person got a job with close contact with people?
And in medical field.
If I see red flags just reading reports, what does it say about medical staff?

But, I guess nothing is going to surprise me any more in this particular case.

JMO

Well, by most accounts, she was highly regarded by colleagues. If guilty, she kept that side to herself very well hidden.

 

[Dotta]

Well, by most accounts, she was highly regarded by colleagues. If guilty, she kept that side to herself very well hidden.

If you say so

 

[katydid23]

I don't think Baby Q died.

Oh, you're right and I did know that. I meant collapsed that day. After the 2 triplets died the previous 2 days.

 

[notsure]

If you say so

Isn't that what we've heard throughout the trial?

 

[katydid23]

Then again, it could very easily be interpreted as someone who's innocent and is getting to the point of being unable to cope with the numbers of dead and collapsing babies and is at the end of her rope, mentally.

She was already done being around collapsing babies though. She had been removed from the clinical area already.

I feel like she was referring to being unable to cope with her guilt and her compulsions but she knew no one was able to help her with that. And so she hates her life.

 

[marynnu]

Isn't that what we've heard throughout the trial?

Definitely not completely respected by everybody, going by some of the messages about her colleagues questioning her role.

 

[katydid23]

I don't see that as a confession in any way, personally. The only slight thing for me is that there is nothing like 'I didn't do anything to hurt you'.

It kind of seemed like one to me. She says she cannot do something anymore---something she needs help with but no one can help her, it's impossible to help her , and she hates her life.

What is it she is speaking about? I don't think she is saying she doesn't want to be a nurse anymore. She is trying hard to be one again by filing the grievance.

In the previous portion of the paragraph she talks about the babies dying and their parents suffering. And she follows the thought up by saying 'I can't do this anymore, but no one can help me.'

My initial thought, because of other statements she made, was that she was referring to her compulsion. She doesn't want to do this anymore, but no one can help her so why bother, ands she hates her life.

I can't do this any more. I want someone to help me but they can't so what is the point in asking. Hate my life.

 

[katydid23]

It’s definitely strange and weird To us. But there isn’t much there that says mentally incoherent considering that one is literally just doodling.

doesn’t show signs of communicating with anything that isn’t real. No grossly out there statements ie “I am an angel sent by god”. no signs of paranoia,no signs of a loss of function etc
its coherent enough which mentally Ill people are not imo
I think people are adding things to something that was written without any direction or real purpose.

She HATES her life because she has big problems she cannot deal with and she knows no one will ever be able to help her.

And she says no one will ever know what really happened or why and that she is a failure.


Those thoughts seem more serious that just 'doodling' about nothing. I don't agree that she was writing things without any direction or purpose. They seem to be very direct thoughts and fears.

 

[katydid23]

Okay, perhaps bad choice of words but even hundreds it's a pretty minor consideration compared to the consequences of not defending yourself. Let's face it, hospitals - along with many public institutions - hardly have a stellar reputation for protection of their staff when their reputation or a massive legal suit might result.

If it were me I'd be snaffling all the info I could to defend myself rather than relying on the "honesty" of my employer.

MOO!

If that was her goal, wouldn't she have contacted an attorney and given them her collated info to try and get her defense going?

Stashing the papers in plastic bags under the bed and in the garage doesn't seem that pro-active.

 

[Supernovae]

I don't see that as a confession in any way, personally. The only slight thing for me is that there is nothing like 'I didn't do anything to hurt you'.

Not in terms, but one of the notes did say "we tried our best but it wasn't enough" or words to that effect. I'm also not sure that anyone had a fully crystallised idea of what exactly they were alleging, at this stage. That comes across from the doctors testimony, with them not going to the police directly and one of them saying that they didn't expect to be questioned in detail in court, when ostensibly they already suspected her of multiple murders.

 

[notsure]

It kind of seemed like one to me. She says she cannot do something anymore---something she needs help with but no one can help her, it's impossible to help her , and she hates her life.

What is it she is speaking about? I don't think she is saying she doesn't want to be a nurse anymore. She is trying hard to be one again by filing the grievance.

In the previous portion of the paragraph she talks about the babies dying and their parents suffering. And she follows the thought up by saying 'I can't do this anymore, but no one can help me.'

My initial thought, because of other statements she made, was that she was referring to her compulsion. She doesn't want to do this anymore, but no one can help her so why bother, ands she hates her life.

I can't do this any more. I want someone to help me but they can't so what is the point in asking. Hate my life.

Just a thought: "I can't do this anymore" could mean I can't help those babies who have died: they are beyond her help.

"No one can help me" could mean nobody can help her to get back to doing the job she wants to do, i.e. helping babies.

This isn't even my opinion, just another possibility.

 

[Supernovae]

Things I might 'doodle' if I was falsely accused of murdering babies:

- I AM INNOCENT
- HOW COULD THEY THINK I WOULD DO THIS?
- WHO DID DO THIS?
- WHY AREN'T THEY TRYING TO CATCH THE REAL KILLER?

The notes aren't clearly dated but I believe that they are from before the insulin cases resurfaced and probably before Dr Evans' review, so IMO an innocent LL wouldn't have a compelling reason to believe that there was a "real killer" at this stage.

 

[Parker Knoll]

My brain is completely fried. No wonder it has taken years to get to court.
<modsnip> IMHO.

 

[Supernovae]

Just a thought: "I can't do this anymore" could mean I can't help those babies who have died: they are beyond her help.

"No one can help me" could mean nobody can help her to get back to doing the job she wants to do, i.e. helping babies.

This isn't even my opinion, just another possibility.

Or "I can't do this anymore" could just mean generically keep going.