UK - Nurse Lucy Letby Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #17

[Sweeper2000]

They do sound strange. It's still ambiguous, though. We don't know how people, especially her, react when when under pressure in police interviews - maybe it's some strange reaction bourne of some feeling or need to emphasise a point?

If you were guilty though, wouldn't you just deny it outright, rather than try to mitigate it down to something accidental? IMO, a guilty person would, at least at first, and then try to mitigate it down as the evidence stacked up.

All MOO

I’m not going to lie I have picked up on the reoccurring self doubt as a feature in ll life. Obviously tied in to the seeking of reassurance, I think it’s tied to her use of the word “killed” in the confession notes, I don’t think she has ever claimed there wasn’t potential for her practice to be wrong and that’s why she says it like that, in other words “as far as I know I haven’t done anything wrong” The word wrong covers both morality and authorised practice. There are other things that make me think it but cannot remember atm. another example is her use of the words “on purpose“ in the confession note.

 

[Tortoise]

I wish Dan would report verbatim for these interviews. It would even save him having to reword everything into a narrative. Far simpler to just tweet questions and answers, IMO.

 

[JosieJo]

Surely at least some of the police interviews would have been beneficial for the jury

 

[Sweeper2000]

Ive found this website about police interview tapes and their admissibility as evidence.

“

Breach of the Codes​

72. Any facts indicating a breach of a PACE code will be considered by the court, which can make a ruling on the admissibility of the evidence. 37 As has been seen above, a breach of a PACE Code may be evidence of oppression or may support a contention of unreliability. 38 It may also lead to evidence of the confession being excluded as a matter of discretion under sections 76 or 78 PACE or the common law.

73. Evidence has been excluded in the following situations: where the police made a note of an incriminating comment by the defendant but failed to show it to him or ask him to sign it; 39 where no appropriate adult was present on questioning a juvenile; 40 and where the suspect was not cautioned. 41 The evidence of a person who is not given an adequate opportunity to consult with a solicitor may be excluded. 42 ”

Questioning of suspects - Investigation - Enforcement Guide (England & Wales)

This Guide sets out the law and legal practice relevant to the criminal enforcement of health and safety duties.

www.hse.gov.uk

 

[Tortoise]

Dan's clearly missing out a ton of stuff. Didn't write anything about child E's mother's account being put to LL.

 

[Sweeper2000]

Dan's clearly missing out a ton of stuff. Didn't write anything about child E's mother's account being put to LL.

incant say but you probably can. Do you think he would put that into one of his paid for articles or a National rather than the cs.

 

[Becky53]

https://twitter.com/MrDanDonoghue

Ms Letby agreed with the interviewing officer that she was 'frustrated' by the text conversation as she wasn't receiving the emotionally supportive messages she expected.

BBM
didn’t see this tweet posted here for child C. Bit of self pity IMO.

 

[Sweeper2000]

https://twitter.com/MrDanDonoghue

Ms Letby agreed with the interviewing officer that she was 'frustrated' by the text conversation as she wasn't receiving the emotionally supportive messages she expected.

BBM
didn’t see this tweet posted here for child C. Bit of self pity IMO.

“Help me”.

 

[Tortoise]

incant say but you probably can. Do you think he would put that into one of his paid for articles or a National rather than the cs.

He's the BBC reporter.

 

[JosieJo]

Surely it's tedious for the jury ..to watch LL would have kept their attention

 

[Tortoise]

They were already read agreed summaries of her police interviews at the end of each baby's evidence. I really don't see the point in repeating evidence they've already heard.

 

[Tortoise]

https://twitter.com/MrDanDonoghue
@MrDanDonoghue
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We're now moving onto a summary of Ms Letby's interview in relation to Child G. At the start of that interview, the officer pointed out that there had been a 'spike' in baby deaths/collapses in June 2015. He noted Ms Letby had been involved in all the cases

https://twitter.com/MrDanDonoghue
@MrDanDonoghue
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The officer said 'you dealt with all of these, what do you put that down to, bad luck?’ She said ‘yes’

 

[DianaWW]

Lucy Letby looked up babies’ bereaved parents on Facebook, court told | UK news | The Guardian

Nurse accused of murdering seven babies at Countess of Chester hospital told police she did not recall searches

amp.theguardian.com

Today's Guardian write up.

 

[Kemug]

Oh well...

Even if she wanted to take the stand, I don't think Defence would allow it.


JMO

Can she be made to take the stand? I for one would like to hear her answers to all this mystery.

 

[Anxala]

Can she be made to take the stand? I for one would like to hear her answers to all this mystery.

Absolutely no, re taking the stand. It's a fundamental part of the accused's right to silence. There's a clear explanation here which also covers what inferences can and cannot be drawn/concluded by the prosecution/jury from such a decision.

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[Marie Bell]

They were already read agreed summaries of her police interviews at the end of each baby's evidence. I really don't see the point in repeating evidence they've already heard.

I'd imagine that the interviews in a case like this would be incredibly slow viewing. The interviewers would need to be poring over long, complicated notes, filled with technical content. The questions would likely be asked hesitantly and non-fluently. There would have to be a lot of groundwork in the form of identifying the baby - its name, its birth circumstances and condition - some discussion of the parent(s) to allow LL to recall the event, etc. It doesn't surprise me at all that summaries were agreed by both sides. I wouldn't even like to guess how many hours it would take to get to the salient 'did you do this/that' part for each act she was suspected of; and a great deal would have to be bleeped out for redaction purposes.

 

[marynnu]

Just a passing observation. LL mentions re. searching for the parents of babies A & B was probably "To see how maybe the family was doing … because we think about the babies on the unit all the time and we talk about them and what they are doing.” The culture must have been very different to where I worked, we just talked about families, holidays and when we could retire!!

 

[Kemug]

Or “ I can’t do this anymore “ meaning I cannot continue deliberately ending the lives of tiny premature babies.
My opinion only of course.

It could be. And also "I can't do this anymore" can have the same meaning as "I must not do this anymore."

 

[Becky53]

Dan’s summary

Lucy Letby trial: Nurse told police spike in deaths was a shock, court told

Lucy Letby said a spike in baby collapses was upsetting, but she did not question it, a jury hears.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[DianaWW]

Letby admits she was 'frustrated' before death of baby she 'murdered'

Letby, 33, claimed that neither she nor other staff had questioned what had caused the 'spike' of three deaths and one near-death on the neonatal unit in the single month of June eight years ago.

www.dailymail.co.uk

A little bit more in the mail report. They also say:

‘In one recording, Letby told the detective: 'I don't recall saying it. I don't recall that conversation' about the Moses basket.’

So that might mean they’re listening to the recordings of the interviews? I’m not sure, but that would be better than reading a transcript IMO.