She did keep her answer rather short at a mere 'yes' when responding to whether it was bad luck. Guessing that if she went into it, she knows she would be opening a can of worms.
UK - Nurse Lucy Letby Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #17
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I think the circumstantial evidence alone is overwhelming. It's just the fact she was there for each of the collapses which allegedly had no identifiable cause, and nobody else was. The only person close to that was present at just 7 out of the 22. She was there for all 22!!! These are undisputed facts.
Colleagues remarked on this after just the first few babies - poor you, it always seems to happen on your shift.
That is why the police were asking, how could this be? Bad luck? Coincidence? Or are you the perpetrator?
Unless there was a team of baby killers on the ward, I think this is the case of Occam's razor - the simplest solution is the most likely.
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I think the circumstantial evidence alone is overwhelming. It's just the fact she was there for each of the collapses which allegedly had no identifiable cause, and nobody else was. The only person close to that was present at just 7 out of the 22. She was there for all 22!!! These are undisputed facts.
Colleagues remarked on this after just the first few babies - poor you, it always seems to happen on your shift.
That is why the police were asking, how could this be? Bad luck? Coincidence? Or are you the perpetrator?
Unless there was a team of baby killers on the ward, I think this is the case of Occam's razor - the simplest solution is the most likely.
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I think they were referencing speculation, what was she thinking at the time that the events unfolded?
I keep thinking about those handover sheets and how she ended up with so many. Would be shocking if Dr choc or JJK had printed them all off for her. Wondering how much more trouble wonka got himself in before jumping camps.
I think at one point LL did reference in a text the possibility of a virus going around and a link between that occuring and the potential deaths.
I wonder why she didn't mention that she was engaged with speculation around this?
As far as I remember, she didn't question why it was always on her shift, but brushed it off, by saying things like these things happen, it's fate, at 33 weeks the babies are more likely to die etc etc. There never seemed to be any surprise or analysis IMO
Letby admits she was 'frustrated' before death of baby she 'murdered'
Letby, 33, claimed that neither she nor other staff had questioned what had caused the 'spike' of three deaths and one near-death on the neonatal unit in the single month of June eight years ago.
www.dailymail.co.uk
Yesterday's mail article has been updated with a little more information.
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Quizzed about Baby A, Letby agreed it was her who had noticed a change in the baby's colour on the day of his fatal collapse.
Although unable to specifically recall when his monitors alarmed, she also agreed she had been standing next to his ventilator at the time.
The officer asks: 'Is it at that point that you harmed (Baby) A?'
Letby: 'No'.
Officer: 'Is that the point at which you murdered (Baby) A?'
Letby: 'No'.
Asked about the baby receiving an injection of air, she said: 'It would be very hard to push air through a long line. It's a hard pressure to push through'.
The nurse denied deliberately injecting the baby with air, but could offer no explanation for his collapse.
She told the officer she did not know a lot about air embolism – one of the methods the prosecution says she used to kill some of her alleged victims.
'We were always told to make sure there was no air in a long line because that would be dangerous to patients.
'I know that from when I first started to learn about fluids. It's something that all nursing staff are very meticulous about and are aware of the consequences of getting it wrong'.
She claimed not to know what harm an air embolism might actually cause, but was aware that 'you just didn't want it going into the bloodstream'.
In a later interview Letby was told that expert witnesses believed Baby A had been injected with air. She told the officer: 'I didn't deliberately give him any air'.
Absolutely no way she didn't know what harm an air embolism would cause!!
Letby admits she was 'frustrated' before death of baby she 'murdered'
Letby, 33, claimed that neither she nor other staff had questioned what had caused the 'spike' of three deaths and one near-death on the neonatal unit in the single month of June eight years ago.
www.dailymail.co.uk
Quizzed about Baby A, Letby agreed it was her who had noticed a change in the baby's colour on the day of his fatal collapse.
Although unable to specifically recall when his monitors alarmed, she also agreed she had been standing next to his ventilator at the time.
The officer asks: 'Is it at that point that you harmed (Baby) A?'
Letby: 'No'.
Officer: 'Is that the point at which you murdered (Baby) A?'
Letby: 'No'.
Asked about the baby receiving an injection of air, she said: 'It would be very hard to push air through a long line. It's a hard pressure to push through'.
The nurse denied deliberately injecting the baby with air, but could offer no explanation for his collapse.
She told the officer she did not know a lot about air embolism – one of the methods the prosecution says she used to kill some of her alleged victims.
'We were always told to make sure there was no air in a long line because that would be dangerous to patients.
'I know that from when I first started to learn about fluids. It's something that all nursing staff are very meticulous about and are aware of the consequences of getting it wrong'.
She claimed not to know what harm an air embolism might actually cause, but was aware that 'you just didn't want it going into the bloodstream'.
In a later interview Letby was told that expert witnesses believed Baby A had been injected with air. She told the officer: 'I didn't deliberately give him any air'.
Absolutely no way she didn't know what harm an air embolism would cause!!
Letby admits she was 'frustrated' before death of baby she 'murdered'
Letby, 33, claimed that neither she nor other staff had questioned what had caused the 'spike' of three deaths and one near-death on the neonatal unit in the single month of June eight years ago.www.dailymail.co.uk
Just goes to show how things get mis-reported. We all thought she said she didn't know what an air embolism was. Wrong. What she said about it was perfectly reasonable.
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That she didn't know what harm it could cause. ie she didn't know it could kill? I'd say that's common knowledge even outside medical circles.
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I get the impression from this they’re asking her the specifics/mechanics of an air embolism, and that’s what she doesn’t know, which is fair as is seems like very few do. JMO
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Letby recalled Baby A's twin sister, Baby B, looking more mottled than he had done. Her mottling had a purply-red, rash-like appearance.
She was aware from an early handover with a colleague that the twins' parents had waited a long time to have children, so they were 'very much wanted babies'.
Asked whether she had treated them any differently because of that knowledge, she replied: 'You just bear in mind what they've been through to get to this point'.
The officer asks whether she injected the baby girl with air at the time a TPN feeding bag was being attached, Letby replied: 'No. I didn't do anything deliberate to (Baby) B to harm her'.
Officer: 'Are you responsible for her attempted murder, Lucy?'
'No,' says the nurse.
Confirmation that she was made aware of the parents' backstory at handover!
She was aware from an early handover with a colleague that the twins' parents had waited a long time to have children, so they were 'very much wanted babies'.
Asked whether she had treated them any differently because of that knowledge, she replied: 'You just bear in mind what they've been through to get to this point'.
The officer asks whether she injected the baby girl with air at the time a TPN feeding bag was being attached, Letby replied: 'No. I didn't do anything deliberate to (Baby) B to harm her'.
Officer: 'Are you responsible for her attempted murder, Lucy?'
'No,' says the nurse.
Confirmation that she was made aware of the parents' backstory at handover!
Letby admits she was 'frustrated' before death of baby she 'murdered'
Letby, 33, claimed that neither she nor other staff had questioned what had caused the 'spike' of three deaths and one near-death on the neonatal unit in the single month of June eight years ago.
www.dailymail.co.uk
She knew it was dangerous but didn't know exactly what the mechanism would be. I really do think that's a perfectly good response.
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Obviously we don't have a direct quote but it looks to me like they just asked what harm it might actually cause, not exactly how it would cause that harm.
She claimed not to know what harm an air embolism might actually cause, but was aware that 'you just didn't want it going into the bloodstream'
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Yes but up until this point we all thought she denied even knowing what one was, so I’m taking the reporting with a pinch of salt!
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There's nothing about them asking exactly what mechanism though. It says actually not exactly. But without a direct quote I agree that it leaves it open to interpretation
Was that after someone else said to her "what on earth is going on" though ?
Letby recalled Baby A's twin sister, Baby B, looking more mottled than he had done. Her mottling had a purply-red, rash-like appearance.
She was aware from an early handover with a colleague that the twins' parents had waited a long time to have children, so they were 'very much wanted babies'.
Asked whether she had treated them any differently because of that knowledge, she replied: 'You just bear in mind what they've been through to get to this point'.
The officer asks whether she injected the baby girl with air at the time a TPN feeding bag was being attached, Letby replied: 'No. I didn't do anything deliberate to (Baby) B to harm her'.
Officer: 'Are you responsible for her attempted murder, Lucy?'
'No,' says the nurse.
Confirmation that she was made aware of the parents' backstory at handover!
Letby admits she was 'frustrated' before death of baby she 'murdered'
Letby, 33, claimed that neither she nor other staff had questioned what had caused the 'spike' of three deaths and one near-death on the neonatal unit in the single month of June eight years ago.www.dailymail.co.uk
She seems to repeatedly answer with I didn't do anything "deliberately"
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I agree. Those quotes sound entirely reasonable to me. And, yes, previous reports of her not knowing what AE is were completely wrong.
The point is that she knew an air embolus is dangerous and how to avoid it. That's all you need as a nurse.
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