UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #18

[marynnu]

She could have torn or cut them up then flushed them down the toilet.

Exactly. I've torn up confidential items in this way when I had no shredder. Who wouldn't know how to dispose of the handover sheets? Ridiculous.

 

[WaxLyrical]

Also note she lied about putting the papers in a folder in her spare room. They were discovered in plastic bags under her bed, and in a box labelled 'keep' at her parents house.

I think the bulk of them were in a bin bag in her garage?

 

[esther43]

Exactly. I've torn up confidential items in this way when I had no shredder. Who wouldn't know how to dispose of the handover sheets? Ridiculous.

She had a shredder for bank statements though?

 

[ColourPurple]

We don't know that she was telling the truth about the 'not good enough' note. Why she wrote something is impossible to verify, we can only judge the probability of her account being truthful

Exactly! Her saying something when being questioned doesn't make it true!

And she's just literally demostrated that by saying she didn't have a shredder!

 

[JosieJo]

"I didn't know what to do about it" - if innocent, that could be a statement made in anxiety. Perhaps she thought, "I can't shred it at home, I must return it to work" It could be the sort of inflexible over thinking that goes hand in hand with anxiety and rumination and leads to paralysis of action. JMO.

I do think the shredder was working, because there were shredded bank statements found with it.

But 257?

 

[marynnu]

She had a shredder for bank statements though?

I was just trying to say that even without a shredder it's easy to dispose of things. So that makes saying you don't know how to do so even more ridiculous.

 

[JosieJo]

12:13pm

Mr Myers asks about one day when Letby asked for the interview to stop as she was tired.
He says on that day, Letby had been asked about a large number of babies, in interviews spanning several hours.

 

[JosieJo]

We don't know that she was telling the truth about the 'not good enough' note. Why she wrote something is impossible to verify, we can only judge the probability of her account being truthful

Exactly it's up to the jury to decide on what they believe

 

[notsure]

But 257?

And the vast majority of them did not refer to the babies she's alleged to have attacked. Strange.

 

[Sweeper2000]

I’m correct in thinking that she said she wrote the nge note before police involvement right? Why implicate herself when it’s not necessary and if she lied about the shredder why not lie about the note? There is no gain for her in saying she wrote it in July 2016 so presumably is telling
the truth about that?

 

[JosieJo]

12:32pm

The trial is now resuming after a short break.
Eirian Powell, who was the neonatal unit ward manager at the Countess of Chester Hospital between 2011-2017, is being recalled to give evidence.
Mr Myers has a few questions to ask Ms Powell.

 

[JosieJo]

I’m correct in thinking that she said she wrote the nge note before police involvement right? Why implicate herself when it’s not necessary and if she lied about the shredder why not lie about the note? There is no gain for her in saying she wrote it in July 2016 so presumably is telling
the truth about that?

No way of knowing..it was a led question

 

[JosieJo]

12:34pm

Ms Powell first met Lucy Letby when the latter was a University of Chester student on a four-week placement.
She agrees Letby was "very keen to improve her practice" and saw her to the point when she was working on the neonatal unit.
Mr Myers: "She was an exceptionally good nurse?"
Ms Powell: "Yes, she was."

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, Thursday, April 27

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

 

[JosieJo]

12:38pm

Ms Powell confirms Letby was "committed" in progressing with her training, including training in intensive treatment units.
She said Letby was 'hard-working and flexible' - "extraordinarily so", and worked a lot with premature babies in the neonatal unit.
"She was very particular with attention to detail".

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, Thursday, April 27

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

 

[Sweeper2000]

Did the trial just get even weirder I swear it did.

 

[JosieJo]

12:44pm

Mr Myers asks about the redeployment of Lucy Letby away from the neonatal unit in July 15, 2016, which was announced in an email signed by Ms Powell, as part of a period of clinical supervision.
The email said 'This is not meant to be a blame or a competency issue', and was in preparation for an external review.
Ms Powell confirms Lucy Letby was "upset" at being removed from the unit.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, Thursday, April 27

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

 

[bbsaz]

If I were innocent and asked if I killed Baby *, I would reply "no, of course not, I couldnt hurt a baby, I would never do anything like that, oh god, I cant believe anyone would think I could, those poor babies etc...". Throughout her interviews, she seems to reply to triggering questions with "no"

Maybe we would all behave differently in that situation, but I find her responses quite nonchalent and cavalier. Shes too calm and controlled.

(Jmo)

 

[Tortoise]

Also note she lied about putting the papers in a folder in her spare room. They were discovered in plastic bags under her bed, and in a box labelled 'keep' at her parents house.

I think the bulk of them were in a bin bag in her garage?

The majority of the papers were in folder/s in her house, revealed in the interviews read today.

from memory, 31 were found in the morrisons bag, and four were in the Ibiza bag.

there were five in the box in her wardrobe at her parents' house

the bin bag in her garage was found on her second arrest, in 2019, and it contained one handwritten note with her ramblings on it, which hasn't been shown to the public.

 

[JosieJo]

I'm not sure banging on abouthow good LL was at being a nurse as surely it takes away any likelihood of accidental errors

 

[Sundial]

Do you think she would drive the long distance without going to hers first of all?. Thus taking the med notes there straight after work, just because she’s got a really really bad habit.

This makes me wonder tbh,

10:47am

Letby says she believes she continued to look after Child Q as her designated baby following the desaturation.
In a follow-up interview, Letby said she did not cause Child Q's collapse. She said she had taken observations and raised Child Q's incubator temperature.
She said Child Q was "stable" before she left room 2.
She denies being responsible for Child Q's collapse, or injecting air into Child Q.

10:52am

In a third police interview, Letby says she did not give Child Q anything prior to the collapse.

She denies leaving the room so the blame for the collapse could be put on another member of nursing staff.

Asked about a text message she sent to a doctor colleague about whether she should feel 'worried' about what Dr John Gibbs had been saying, Letby said: "I became aware of Dr Gibbs asking where I was - it was discussed then, obviously...I was concerned that I was going to be a problem"

Asked if she was seeing reassurance from the doctor she had messaged, Letby agrees.

She adds: "I wouldn't have just left a baby unattended," having said Mary Griffith was also in room 2.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, Thursday, April 27

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

“became aware of Dr Gibbs asking where I was - it was discussed then, obviously...I was concerned that I was going to be a problem"

Highlighted, Odd thing to say
JMO