UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #22

[esther43]

Letby says colleague Sophie Ellis was the least experienced member of staff on that shift and "did not have the skills for the job" of looking after small, premature babies in room 1.

"I did not think she was qualified for the job...She did not have the skills for the premature babies [in room 1]."

How ironic given the number of babies that died on letby's watch.

 

[Dotta]

Maybe those sheets were just randomly lying around her room at her parents place and her mum thought they looked important so put them in a box marked "keep"?

Tell it to the Marines!

 

[Parker Knoll]

However, the trial has already heard that colleagues, and supervision, for the most part, thought well of her, and considered her a decent nurse. The defence counsel will be able to intimate, in closing argument if not before, that the prosecution is really petty and grasping at straws, and that none of this is proof of the crimes of murder or attempted murder.

With the greatest respect Marie … are we reading the same evidence here ?
There is a tsunami of evidence that all point to Letby.

 

[ColourPurple]

4:06pm

The court hears Sophie Ellis's statement saying when she entered room 1, Letby was by Child C's cotside, saying: "He's just dropped..his heart rate/saturations" or words to that effect.
The court is shown the neonatal schedule for the night shift of June 13-14, 2015. Letby is shown recording observations for her designated babies, and made medication prescriptions for babies not in room 1.
Letby says the medications for those babies would have been drawn up in room 1. "They could not have been done in a special care nursery".
Letby says if Sophie Ellis has documented correctly, there would have been no air in Child C's stomach after an aspiration was made for the baby's feed.
Letby denies taking, in Mr Johnson's words: "an opportunity to sabotage [Child C]."

4:13pm

In police interview, it is put to Letby that Child C collapsed six minutes after she sent the last of her text messages.
Letby: "I don't recall where I was at the time" - Letby says she may have been in a nursing station before going into room 1.
Letby said she did not recall being cotside, but accepted Sophie Ellis's account at the time it was put to her by police.
"The death of [Child C] was very memorable, wasn't it?"
"Yes."

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, May 18 - prosecution cross-examines Letby

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more,…

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Ah so she wasn't just annoyed at not being in room 1. She was didn't like that Sophie was in there when LL didn't consider her experienced enough to be in there.

Then according to Sophie's testimony, while Sophie pops away from the room , the alarm sounds and she goes back to find LL in room 1, with a collapsed baby C.

 

[Googysleuth]

They haven't gotten in to her daddy issues yet.

What do you mean by this?

 

[Sundial]

Or she's not thinking rationally. She's fighting for her life after years in jail, on medication for anxiety and depression.

Where has it been reported she’s on medication for the points you mention? Or is this speculation?

ETA apologies; I believe she did actually mention it briefly at the start of taking the stand. Although, it is purely what she says and not whether it is fact or not. Who knows. Moo

 

[Sweeper2000]

If she wrote the card elsewhere, why not take the photo there and then? Did she not seal the envelope after writing it? Seems bizarre to me.

If she wrote the card elsewhere, why not take the photo there and then? Did she not seal the envelope after writing it? Seems bizarre to me.

do we know where she wrote the card? In my. Experience people will always seal the envelope if going through the postal system whereas if only going through someone known more likely to just fold the seal into the envelope itself. Thinking being the envelope is a convenient storage item To be put away.

two potential reasons why someone might take a pic of it on the unit. 1 last opportunity 2 no pressing need beforehand or when card was written.

she might have bought the card from the hospital shop if it has one, or on the way to work.

 

[JosieJo]

I think the prosecution has just painted a very good picture of LL being frustrated and angry .then going straight into room 1 and attacking a baby ...to "serve Sophie Ellis right"


She seemed close to JJK yet got "arsey" with her just prior.

She also seems to have a problem with Nurse Taylor..that the Prosecution just highlighted

 

[Sweeper2000]

Where has it been reported she’s on medication for the points you mention? Or is this speculation?

ETA apologies; I believe she did actually mention it briefly at the start of taking the stand. Although, it is purely what she says and not whether it is fact or not. Who knows. Moo

“Letby told the court she had since been diagnosed with depression, anxiety and post-traumatic stress disorder and needed medication to help her sleep.”

Lucy Letby trial: nurse ‘devastated’ to hear she was accused of murdering babies

Woman accused of murdering seven babies cries as she tells court she never harmed a child in her care

www.theguardian.com

Letby said her mental health deteriorated and she was prescribed antidepressants, which she still takes.

Nurse sobs as she describes being arrested in pyjamas for 'murder' of 7 babies

Lucy Letby, 33, is on trial accused of murdering seven new born babies and attempting to kill another ten in the neonatal unit at the Countess of Chester Hospital in Cheshire, between June 2015 and June 2016

www.mirror.co.uk

oh please, you think she would lie about a official prescription that’s provable?

if she did no one would believe anything She ever said.

 

[Cluedoneit]

I don’t think she was lying about the shredder, I don’t think she is necessarily lying about anything else either. That still doesn’t look good for her.

”ll why don’t you remember the dad crying on the floor”. “Because it wasn’t significant“.

there is another potential here, has enough significant things happened in her life since that would mean that that memory if not personally significant would have become so distant and insignificant compared to what has happened since That she genuinely doesn’t remember it?

Or she’s so self-centred that other peoples grief is nothing but a bit of forgettable gossip, before moving onto the true victim Lucy Letby. How long was baby A on the Ward before he died, and yet no one could possibly know how she feels unless they ‘knew‘ the baby and the other nurse who was there just didn’t want to know. Not once is she considering that Mel Taylor might feel differently than herself or might not want to support poor Lucy as she relives a traumatic event for hours on end.

 

[marynnu]

Posted at 15:5715:57

Letby tells court she wanted to be in baby C's room​

Dan O'Donoghue
At Manchester Crown Court
The court is once again shown a text message nurse Letby sent to a nursing colleague during her shift on the 13 June.
In that message, Letby said: "I just feel I need to be in 1 to get the image out of my head....being 3 is eating me up, all I can see is him in 1."
Letby has previously explained that when working at Liverpool Women’s Hospital she had “lost a baby one day and a few hours later was given another dying baby just by the same cot space”.
Letby tells the court that being placed in nursery three at that time, instead of one, had made her feel upset.
"I didn't feel my feelings were being considered," she said.

Posted at 16:0516:05

Nurse left with baby C did not have experience, Letby says​

Nick Johnson KC continues his questioning.
"You wanted to be in nursery one, your wish was being frustrated by management and in your view the person who had what you wanted, to look after the non-vented baby in nursery one, wasn’t sufficiently qualified for the job."
Letby said the nurse designated to care for baby C had recently qualified and "did not have the experience or skills" to care for a premature boy like him.
Jurors have heard that Sophie Ellis, the nurse caring for baby C, went briefly to the nurses' station during her shift and whilst there she heard baby C's monitor sound an alarm.
When she re-entered nursery one, she said nurse Letby was already standing next to the cot and told her: "He's just dropped his heart rate and saturations."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-65602988

Saying someone doesn't have the skills to look after Baby C comes across as rather arrogant IMO. It is possibly true if Sophie Ellis were unsupported, but one of the roles of experienced staff is to develop juniors by giving them opportinities with help and supervision.
It's not LL's decision to make.

 

[Sweeper2000]

Or she’s so self-centred that other peoples grief is nothing but a bit of forgettable gossip, before moving onto the true victim Lucy Letby. How long was baby A on the Ward before he died, and yet no one could possibly know how she feels unless they ‘knew‘ the baby and the other nurse who was there just didn’t want to know. Not once is she considering that Mel Taylor might feel differently than herself or might not want to support poor Lucy as she relives a traumatic event for hours on end.

I’m kind of getting that as well. Really worrying tbh.

 

[Sundial]

16:17

That concludes proceedings for today​

Dan O'Donoghue
At Manchester Crown Court
Nick Johnson KC will resume his cross examination tomorrow morning.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-65602988

Thanks to all involved today for the updates. What a day.

 

[Sweeper2000]

Saying someone doesn't have the skills to look after Baby C comes across as rather arrogant IMO. It is possibly true if Sophie Ellis were unsupported, but one of the roles of experienced staff is to develop juniors by giving them opportinities with help and supervision.
It's not LL's decision to make.

Would you say it’s a bit above her station?
or would you say it was safe for this newly qualified nurse to attend to an itu baby by herself? If I was a lead nurse I would supervise the cares.

 

[Sundial]

Ah so she wasn't just annoyed at not being in room 1. She was didn't like that Sophie was in there when LL didn't consider her experienced enough to be in there.

Then according to Sophie's testimony, while Sophie pops away from the room , the alarm sounds and she goes back to find LL in room 1, with a collapsed baby C.

Wasn’t there another baby in the case which was unsettled and ll insisted she would take over and settle them? Can’t remember if that was the same baby or not.

 

[Legal]

So in summary:

child A - she admits she had the opportunity but blames staffing levels and if an air embolism is proven, Melanie Taylor
child B - she admits she had the opportunity, denies she did it but doesn't know the cause
child C - she can't really remember anything, denies she did it, doesn't know the cause, but she rules out staffing levels, medical incompetencies, or someone making a mistake.

I think!

 

[Tortoise]

Would you say it’s a bit above her station?
or would you say it was safe for this newly qualified nurse to attend to an itu baby by herself? If I was a lead nurse I would supervise the cares.

She was being supervised by Mel Taylor, more senior than LL, in the same nursery.

 

[Sundial]

I think the prosecution has just painted a very good picture of LL being frustrated and angry .then going straight into room 1 and attacking a baby ...to "serve Sophie Ellis right"


She seemed close to JJK yet got "arsey" with her just prior.

She also seems to have a problem with Nurse Taylor..that the Prosecution just highlighted

To be honest I actually got this feeling with nurse Taylor and her being irritated by her just listening to the evidence prior to the prosecution cross examining her. But I totally agree with the other points you mention too.

She seems to get rather snarky with anyone who doesn’t listen or view her points in quite the same way. Very arrogant imo

 

[GoodDayToYouSir]

You can't really blame her for answering that way - It was perfectly obvious what he was implying by his question.

Agreed. If she had just answered the specific question because she assumed the follow up question would be “did you hurt the baby”, and that question didn’t come (because it plays better for the prosecution to leave the implication hanging there for the jury to latch onto), then she would have been disadvantaged.

 

[notsure]

Agreed. If she had just answered the specific question because she assumed the follow up question would be “did you hurt the baby”, and that question didn’t come (because it plays better for the prosecution to leave the implication hanging there for the jury to latch onto), then she would have been disadvantaged.

Exactly!