UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #23

[Tortoise]

11:01am

Letby is asked why she, and not Child E's designated nurse Melanie Taylor, signed a correction to a prescription for Child E. Letby says it's standard practice for two nurses to administer prescriptions, and corrections on the form are not based on seniority. She agrees she was keen to raise issues if they needed correcting.
NJ: "Had you fallen out with Melanie Taylor by this stage?"
LL: "No."

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, May 24 - cross-examination continues

"At any stage, did you fall out with Child E's mother?"
"No," says Letby.

Lucy Letby trial latest: Silence in court as Letby does not reply to prosecution question


I think he knows there was a falling out with Mel at some point.

Also think he's getting her to confirm she didn't ever fall out with baby E's mum, to show that baby E's mum had no reason to make up anything she's testified to.

JMO

 

[esther43]

This is such a good point and helps to understand why we’ve been given so many snippets of text messages. We’ve been reading them as her reporting the events of the day, but the idea shes purposely making it seem the like babies are sicker than they were so it is “less suspicious” when they do collapse.

'Priming' some may say. Setting the conditions as it were.

 

[Kemug]

She's a fighter, I'll give her that.

 

[katydid23]

She's a fighter, I'll give her that.

True, but I don't think she is landing many punches. She seems to be flailing about and bouncing around but not making much headway.

Her defense was being set up by Meyers during his crosses, and he was going with suboptimal care, faulty medical expert reports and others having confirmation bias.

I am not sure she has been following along in that same vein. She has accused some others of making mistakes but not very convincingly, so far.JMO

 

[Blondiexoxo]

Maybe that’s because he has not yet produced a smoking gun as it were re falsifications of records . Suggestions made by him that jury can draw conclusions from for sure, but no GOTCHER moment IMO

I can think of quite a few smoking guns personally but perhaps most of all is LL’s own contradictions. She’ll say she can’t remember anything about a specific event, then go on to say she wasn’t there, or that the time isn’t correct, or that she didn’t give the feed etc.. how can she say this when she’s claiming to have very little memory of the event?

She hasn’t owned up to anything yet, apart from a couple of ‘oversights’, for the most part she is trying to be cocky IMO, today’s more gentle approach by NJ allowed her to show another side to LL that I think the jury needed to see. One who will completely ignore a question, sip water and stare straight ahead in an act of defiance.

I’m sure she still thinks ‘they’ve got no evidence’. Last week I was thinking she was crumbling up there but today has shown that she isn’t, she has shown herself as defiant, self assertive and cocky, even when faced with the most devestating allegations and describing the collapses and deaths today without a single tear gives weight to the idea that the tears only fall for LL and NJ has shown us that she can switch from quiet and unthreatening to indifferent and smug depending on how much control she feels over the situation.

IMO her own behaviour and words are some of the most damning evidence of all. I think NJ is showing another angle to LL that will only be achieved by letting her think she has some control over what’s happening. IMO last week she felt that NJ had all the power and wanted to show herself as poor Lucy so scared and alone.. now he’s being a bit less confronting she thinks she can control the narrative once more, starting with the ‘raw sewage’ situation, that she mysteriously never mentioned again yesterday?

MOO

 

[Blondiexoxo]

I can't say I've noticed a change in his cross-examination technique, but I might suggest that if he is toning it down it could be tactical, to show the jury how she operates in different situations - withdraws completely and cries sometimes when she isn't succeeding in manipulating, and stands up well when she feels she is in charge. I think she had her armour on today! JMO

Going back and looking through the updates from today I think the same now. It’s a very clever tactic IMO, he’s demonstrating that when being confronted she coils up, plays the victim and gives very vague answers, she’s shy quiet Lucy who couldn’t hurt a fly. When she feels more in control of the situation she shows defiance, cockiness IMO. I think he’s showing how she can switch depending on how much power she feels she has.

If guilty, I think a lot of this was about power and control, she had the power if guilty to end lives, falsify records, keep handover sheets, she also had the power to ruin parent’s lives and throw them into a world of grief and panic, like the attack on child G being on her 100th day when she should have been out the woods, a happy day. If guilty, by attacking child G when her parents least expected it, it demonstrated control. She can turn a good day into the worst day of a parent’s life in mere seconds, if guilty.

Last week it was ‘the gang of 4’ (portraying herself as the victim of conspiracy) and today when she’s not feeling so confronted it’s raw sewage, hospital failings and yet more colleagues making mistakes, but never perfect nurse Lucy. (deflecting blame onto everyone else whilst taking zero responsibility herself, portraying the intelligent competent nurse who witnessed all these errors being made by everyone else)

All MOO

 

[Legal]

I agree with you blondie. As a general comment, a lot of cases I've followed seem to have narcissists taking the stand, so I'm sure these barristers are very used to their ways. I also think NJ knew exactly what he was doing by coining the "gang of 4" moniker. IMO this makes them sound like comic book 'baddies' and reduces their credibility. The idea of 4 highly-qualified and professional consultants ganging together to frame a nurse comes across as ludicrous IMO. I'm sure they've got better things to do with their time!

 

[MachinaCollecta]

She's a fighter, I'll give her that.

I feel like she was composed yesterday but still tied herself up in knots. I just don’t understand why she’ll sometimes say “no, I wasn’t there” and then follow it up with “I don’t recall that” around the same subjects, I find it baffling. It’s like she frequently can’t remember her own story.

 

[Blondiexoxo]

I agree with you blondie. As a general comment, a lot of cases I've followed seem to have narcissists taking the stand, so I'm sure these barristers are very used to their ways. I also think NJ knew exactly what he was doing by coining the "gang of 4" moniker. IMO this makes them sound like comic book 'baddies' and reduces their credibility. The idea of 4 highly-qualified and professional consultants ganging together to frame a nurse comes across as ludicrous IMO. I'm sure they've got better things to do with their time!

IMO in LL’s mind everyone was talking about her, I think she was paranoid (could be construed as guilty conscience, if guilty) and well aware that some colleagues were noticing the link between her and the babies who collapsed/died. But in any case IMO she likes to think she’s the topic of conversation.

The fact that LL is the common denominator in every single case isn’t lost on me. When you look at the chart of other nurses on shift the connection is clear. Others were on shift for a handful of the incidents, unless we are to assume that the entire unit had a vendetta against LL and was sabotaging babies in order to frame her, then her argument about the ‘gang of 4’ is moot. At this point there’s a gang of around 13 so far and counting, going off how many names she’s dropping with each day she’s on the stand there’s a new one.

Yesterday she shifted into defensive mode IMO, victim mode was long gone and the entire hospital was thrown under the bus. I’m glad NJ seems to be leaving the insulin cases til last, will she suggest the ‘gang’ poisoned 2 babies with insulin as part of a conspiracy against her.

I wonder which Lucy we will see today, will she be quiet or defiant and cocky? I wonder how well her memory will be working today?

MOO

 

[Diddly1]

LL has different faces for different audiences so goodness knows which one will be on today. She is a peculiar fish for sure MOO

 

[Lincoln34]

LL has different faces for different audiences so goodness knows which one will be on today. She is a peculiar fish for sure MOO

Maybe she will just play Shaggey’s ‘It wasn’t me’ from the witness box on repeat ?

 

[Tortoise]

Maybe she will just play Shaggey’s ‘It wasn’t me’ from the witness box on repeat ?

And the prosecutor just needs to rev up the jukebox in reply with Santana's 'She's Not There'

 

[Tortoise]

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, May 25 - cross-examination continues

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more,…

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8:14am

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, continues today (Thursday, May 25).
We will be bringing you live updates throughout the day, in what is the 29th week of the trial before a jury.
For a recap of the trial so far, visit our index here: Countess nurse Lucy Letby: What has happened in trial so far

 

[Diddly1]

Or Chicago I’ve been searchin…

 

[Becci]

She's a fighter, I'll give her that.

Lol i thought the same, & also with trying to get back on the unit.
I would've left i reckon.

 

[Tortoise]

What would be the reasons she didn't get her band 6 after doing the intensive care qualification?

 

[Tortoise]

10:20am

Yesterday in court, murder-accused nurse Lucy Letby denied faking medical entries to help cover her tracks: Lucy Letby accused of faking medical entries to cover tracks
Letby also told the court "raw sewage coming out of sinks" in a room caring for the most vulnerable babies was a contributory factor in their deteriorations: Lucy Letby: 'Raw sewage' may have contributed to deaths of babies

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, May 25 - cross-examination continues

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more,…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

 

[Tortoise]

24m ago10:04

What it is like inside the trial of Lucy Letby?​

By Megan Baynes, news reporter inside Manchester Crown Court
It has been 233 days since the trial of Lucy Letby first opened, and soon a jury of eight men and four women must decide if she is innocent or guilty of the murder of seven babies, and the attempted murder of 10 more.
Letby has spent most of the trial behind a glass-fronted dock, but for the last seven days, she has been seated in the centre of the court, on the witness stand. She is seated behind a wooden table, with an iPad and piles of binders next to her - there is a significant amount of paperwork being submitted as evidence in this trial, and while a lot has been digitised, there is still a need for paper copies.



Her seat faces head-on to the jury, who in turn sit behind computers, their own copies of the evidence also supplied in binders and iPads.

Letby is always flanked by two members of the court security. Behind her sit her parents. And across a short divide sit the parents of the babies in question. The evidence is hard to hear, and some of them have walked out of the room at certain points.

And in front of them sits the media. Sky News is one of just a handful allowed inside the courtroom - most of the other media is watching a live stream from an adjacent courtroom.

Today the prosecution will continue with its cross-examination of Letby, led by Nick Johnson KC.

Lucy Letby trial: Facebook searches of nurse accused of murdering babies read out in court

Lucy Letby, a former neonatal nurse, has been back in court for another day of cross-examination by the prosecution on Friday. She is accused of the murder of seven babies and the attempted murder of 10 others, and denies all the charges.

news.sky.com

 

[marynnu]

What would be the reasons she didn't get her band 6 after doing the intensive care qualification?

You'd expect there to be a period of consolidation after the course before applying for a Band 6. And a post has to come up anyway!

 

[Tortoise]

10:31am

The trial is now resuming.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, May 25 - cross-examination continues

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more,…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

Now10:34

Court has resumed​

The jury has filed in and court has resumed.
Nick Johnson KC will continue his questioning of Lucy Letby.

Lucy Letby trial: Facebook searches of nurse accused of murdering babies read out in court

Lucy Letby, a former neonatal nurse, has been back in court for another day of cross-examination by the prosecution on Friday. She is accused of the murder of seven babies and the attempted murder of 10 others, and denies all the charges.

news.sky.com