UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #25

[DianaWW]

11:37am

Nicholas Johnson KC, for the prosecution, asks Mr Mansutti questions.
Mr Mansutti agrees that one of the problems for the flooding was adults 'putting things down sinks'.
One incident is somebody 'forcing a wipe towel down a sink'. Mr Mansutti accepts an incident did take place.
He says none of the incidents led to no hand washing facilities availability, and there is a system in place.
He says there has been 'sewage floods' in the neonatal unit. He says there was once incident, undated, not on a Datix form, where there was sewage on neonatal unit room 1.
He says he has knowledge of it because of "disgust", and work was done on moving sewage pipes away from the unit room in future, "so it couldn't happen again".
He says, for his recollection, it was a "one-off".
Mr Johnson says half the incidents listed did not take place in the neonatal unit. Mr Mansutti says there would not have been a direct effect on that unit for those days.

11:37am

That completes Mr Mansutti's evidence.
It also completes the evidence presented in the Lucy Letby trial.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, June 14 - defence continues

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

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[CS2C]

I'm thinking it was poorly worded in CS. That there is 1 witness for sanitation. Presumably other witnesses for other topics. Presumably Myers builds up, leaving the 'best' until last.

We will see but what struck me is Myers also mentioning that it is day 129 of the trial. He made the point numerous times when I was present about the toll the trial process is having on his client.

It wouldn't surprise me if he mentioned how long the trial has been going on for as a part reason as to why he is only calling one witness.

We shall see...

 

[bbsaz]

OMG!! I was wrong. That's it!!

 

[MachinaCollecta]

DBM

 

[DianaWW]

Wow that's it!!

 

[Moll]

My bet is on a statistical expert, a medical expert to refuse the AE theory and maybe some colleagues who thought she was wonderful

But no - the evidence is completed!

 

[DianaWW]

11:38am

The trial judge, Mr Justice James Goss, is now giving preliminary directions to the jury.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, June 14 - defence continues

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

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[MachinaCollecta]

What a waste of a rebuttal!

 

[DianaWW]

11:40am

The trial judge says he has to discuss his directions of law with the prosecution and defence before he can deliver them to the jury.
He says those will likely be presented to the jury on Thursday, and the jury will not be present in court 'for very long'.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, June 14 - defence continues

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

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[DianaWW]

I wasn't expecting much from the defence, but I am gobsmacked. Over 7 months of prosecution evidence and all they have is a plumber!

 

[JosieJo]

I bet Myers could have crawled up his own backside ending on one witness ..a plumber where the prosecution shows some of the incidents didn't occur on the neonatal and it never led to the inability to wash hands

 

[Becci]

Wow a lot of effort there.
They all must be totally cured.

 

[DickieDumDum]

Not really a lot of point having a plumber give evidence unless you can also produce an expert who's prepared to say poor sanitation may have caused the babies' deaths, is there? What a poor defence she's put up.

 

[DianaWW]

11:42am

The judge says the week beginning July 3 is when the jury will be expected to go out.
He says it is in the "hope and expectation that nothing untoward occurs", as the trial has had delays and it has gone on longer than expected.

11:43am

He also reminds the jurors of their obligations not to discuss the case with anyone, and not to discuss it amongst themselves until they are sent to deliberate.

11:44am

The jury are now sent home for the day.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, June 14 - defence continues

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

 

[katydid23]

OMG!! I was wrong. That's it!!

And Johnson took most of the wind out of the sails at the end:

Mr Mansutti agrees that one of the problems for the flooding was adults 'putting things down sinks'.
One incident is somebody 'forcing a wipe towel down a sink'. Mr Mansutti accepts an incident did take place.
He says none of the incidents led to no hand washing facilities availability, and there is a system in place.

work was done on moving sewage pipes away from the unit room in future, "so it couldn't happen again".
He says, for his recollection, it was a "one-off".

Mr Johnson says half the incidents listed did not take place in the neonatal unit. Mr Mansutti says there would not have been a direct effect on that unit for those days.


SO IT WAS A BIG NOTHING BURGER and Meyers had to end his defense case on it.

 

[bbsaz]

So, for those of us following since October...TORTOISE was right when she predicted way back when that the defence would bring no witnesses (I think we can agree 1 witness for 30mins is basically no witnesses)

 

[bbsaz]

I bet Myers could have crawled up his own backside ending on one witness ..a plumber where the prosecution shows some of the incidents didn't occur on the neonatal and it never led to the inability to wash hands

Spot on! How embarrassing for him

 

[Jazmania]

Wow, can't believe that the defence has no witnesses. That looks so bad. Prosecution took 7 months, and defence condensed down is a couple of weeks really.

it occurred to me there are a few things we never got to hear more about. Johnson seemed to indicate that txt messages showed Letby was texting during a resuscitation, then said something like 'I'll get to that'. he never did so I assume that wasn't correct ultimately.

Also she was never asked about pricking her finger and fainting in A&E. I guess that isn't so important, but I was wondering why it was included in evidence.

 

[CS2C]

Can anyone explain a reason why no expert witnesses have appeared for the defence ? I don't mean that as a stupid question. Is it down to the fact that no expert wished to be involved or what they said could easily be thrown into doubt?

I am gobsmacked !!!!!!!

Do we know when the closing speeches and the judges summing up will take place ?

 

[MachinaCollecta]

I can’t imagine that jury not sitting through this witness and wondering what relevance it has to any of LL‘a alleged crimes. JMHO