VERDICT WATCH UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #28

[bbsaz]

Tortoise called it correctly with no defense witnesses (1x30mins does not count), so I'm hoping she is correct about the verdict return time

 

[ColourPurple]

And the websleuther's reputation!

ETA seems mine's already shredded due to lack of attention to detail

Don't worry, I retrieved the shredder gang's entries from the confidential waste bin

We're all still in the running! :

Thurs 13th July 2pm to 4pm - @Parker Knoll
Thurs 13th July 2.30pm - @Kemug
Thurs 13th July 3.37pm - @Legal
Fri 14th July 12.45pm - @ColourPurple

 

[Jw192]

I honestly think we're gonna be here weeks

 

[Parker Knoll]

We are down but far from out @ColourPurple !

 

[SusanDonim]

I hope I'm wrong though and it's sooner than that as I am already sick of refreshing Dan's page

Imagine how Dan feels!

 

[Kemug]

⁹

Don't worry, I retrieved the shredder gang's entries from the confidential waste bin

We're all still in the running! :

Gee, thanks Purp!

 

[Dotta]

Imagine how Dan feels!

Chilling in an empty, quiet room I guess.
Never happens in my line of work.

 

[Sweeper2000]

We should be above gloating over the unfortunate hehehe

We are better than that, aren't we??

Willy wonky does not gloat, he simply emphasises the degree to which he is correct and overemphasises the degree to which the Other is incorrect. That’s why he is so successful.

 

[Jazmania]

So I think it was 3 hours on Monday (1 to 4) then I've double checked and the judge said deliberations were to be 10.30 to 4.00 each day with 2 x 5 minute smoke breaks.

I guess we can save the smoke breaks to use in the event of a tie breaker

ETA by the end of today, if there's no verdict 14 hours will have passed so lots of contenders will be joining me and the rest of the shredder gang of 4 in the shredder!

Ah see you're forgetting about the 1 hour for lunch deduction per day though. That means that by the end of today 11 hours will have passed, not 14.

 

[Sweeper2000]

Stakes are high though Dotta with a big fat prize of zilch to be won.

Except gloating rights.

 

[GoodDayToYouSir]

Imagine how Dan feels!

I read a comment from someone who had attended court, and they said that the journalists who are there are simultaneously covering the proceedings and trying to do their regular day job. This probably accounts for some of the gaps in the reporting.

I suspect Dan is grateful to get the chance to catch up on other work or get a Headstart on other work. Lord knows, he won’t have time to do anything else once the verdict comes through, as I imagine the press will be pretty insane with its coverage for the subsequent weeks.

 

[Parker Knoll]

While we await Letbys fate and have not much to chat about I will tell you the time I went to court during Letbys Cross Examination !
Now I didn’t share this on the main thread as I was very concerned at the time but so many people on many platforms have shared their experience I thought it would be mildly interesting to anyone on here.
I went for the cross examination of dear Baby I and it was very last minute but I just HAD to see how she presented in court as that makes such a difference.
I totally agree with @CS2C in her demeanour, it’s actually quite staggering how almost “ disinterested “ she was under cross examination. The desk was covered with files and the two guards who sit either side of her helped her with getting the right ones out and the correct pages and she did sigh quite a lot when asked to refer to a certain page.
She is very similar to the court sketches, gone is the blonde hair, it’s a light ish brown and quite long and lank. Her face is slightly fuller obviously as she’s around 8 years older than the baby grow photo and her mouth is downturned.
She looks resigned but very tired.
She speaks eloquently with no hint of an accent that I could hear.
NJ KC was very measured with her, absolutely no raised voices and incredibly patient.
It was the day she stumbled over seeing Baby I in her cot in the dark and it was masterful to hear him draw her in without her twigging exactly where it was leading, I would liken it to a cat cornering a rat. She was resistant to follow when he was suggesting it would be almost impossible to see the baby in the cot from afar after she had arrived at N1 along the corridor which was brightly lit 24/7 into a darkened room. She walked right into the trap of one’s eyes adjusting to the light, she claimed she didn’t know how it would affect her eyesight to which NJ KC claimed “ Come on Lucy Letby …. You are a nurse “ and that when she came out with the line “ I could see what I was looking at ….. for “
She realised immediately and of course so did everyone else, she then followed up with her confusion over “ dates “ but we were not referring to dates.
Judge Goss halted proceedings early and court was cleared. I saw her parents outside court, mother VERY defensive and if you glance in her direction she will throw you back the mother of all dirty looks and was muttering loudly to herself which is rather odd as everyone looked. Her father just sits staring at the floor. Janet Cox who accompanies the parents was crying on and off. I’m glad I went but I had no desire to go back. I have never seen a defendant in the dock ( and I have seen many over the years ) present like Letby. She’s a mass of contradictions.
JMO.

 

[DianaWW]

While we await Letbys fate and have not much to chat about I will tell you the time I went to court during Letbys Cross Examination !
Now I didn’t share this on the main thread as I was very concerned at the time but so many people on many platforms have shared their experience I thought it would be mildly interesting to anyone on here.
I went for the cross examination of dear Baby I and it was very last minute but I just HAD to see how she presented in court as that makes such a difference.
I totally agree with @CS2C in her demeanour, it’s actually quite staggering how almost “ disinterested “ she was under cross examination. The desk was covered with files and the two guards who sit either side of her helped her with getting the right ones out and the correct pages and she did sigh quite a lot when asked to refer to a certain page.
She is very similar to the court sketches, gone is the blonde hair, it’s a light ish brown and quite long and lank. Her face is slightly fuller obviously as she’s around 8 years older than the baby grow photo and her mouth is downturned.
She looks resigned but very tired.
She speaks eloquently with no hint of an accent that I could hear.
NJ KC was very measured with her, absolutely no raised voices and incredibly patient.
It was the day she stumbled over seeing Baby I in her cot in the dark and it was masterful to hear him draw her in without her twigging exactly where it was leading, I would liken it to a cat cornering a rat. She was resistant to follow when he was suggesting it would be almost impossible to see the baby in the cot from afar after she had arrived at N1 along the corridor which was brightly lit 24/7 into a darkened room. She walked right into the trap of one’s eyes adjusting to the light, she claimed she didn’t know how it would affect her eyesight to which NJ KC claimed “ Come on Lucy Letby …. You are a nurse “ and that when she came out with the line “ I could see what I was looking at ….. for “
She realised immediately and of course so did everyone else, she then followed up with her confusion over “ dates “ but we were not referring to dates.
Judge Goss halted proceedings early and court was cleared. I saw her parents outside court, mother VERY defensive and if you glance in her direction she will throw you back the mother of all dirty looks and was muttering loudly to herself which is rather odd as everyone looked. Her father just sits staring at the floor. Janet Cox who accompanies the parents was crying on and off. I’m glad I went but I had no desire to go back. I have never seen a defendant in the dock ( and I have seen many over the years ) present like Letby. She’s a mass of contradictions.
JMO.

Thank you so much for sharing, I find it so fascinating to hear from those who've been to court.

 

[Dotta]

While we await Letbys fate and have not much to chat about I will tell you the time I went to court during Letbys Cross Examination !
Now I didn’t share this on the main thread as I was very concerned at the time but so many people on many platforms have shared their experience I thought it would be mildly interesting to anyone on here.
I went for the cross examination of dear Baby I and it was very last minute but I just HAD to see how she presented in court as that makes such a difference.
I totally agree with @CS2C in her demeanour, it’s actually quite staggering how almost “ disinterested “ she was under cross examination. The desk was covered with files and the two guards who sit either side of her helped her with getting the right ones out and the correct pages and she did sigh quite a lot when asked to refer to a certain page.
She is very similar to the court sketches, gone is the blonde hair, it’s a light ish brown and quite long and lank. Her face is slightly fuller obviously as she’s around 8 years older than the baby grow photo and her mouth is downturned.
She looks resigned but very tired.
She speaks eloquently with no hint of an accent that I could hear.
NJ KC was very measured with her, absolutely no raised voices and incredibly patient.
It was the day she stumbled over seeing Baby I in her cot in the dark and it was masterful to hear him draw her in without her twigging exactly where it was leading, I would liken it to a cat cornering a rat. She was resistant to follow when he was suggesting it would be almost impossible to see the baby in the cot from afar after she had arrived at N1 along the corridor which was brightly lit 24/7 into a darkened room. She walked right into the trap of one’s eyes adjusting to the light, she claimed she didn’t know how it would affect her eyesight to which NJ KC claimed “ Come on Lucy Letby …. You are a nurse “ and that when she came out with the line “ I could see what I was looking at ….. for “
She realised immediately and of course so did everyone else, she then followed up with her confusion over “ dates “ but we were not referring to dates.
Judge Goss halted proceedings early and court was cleared. I saw her parents outside court, mother VERY defensive and if you glance in her direction she will throw you back the mother of all dirty looks and was muttering loudly to herself which is rather odd as everyone looked. Her father just sits staring at the floor. Janet Cox who accompanies the parents was crying on and off. I’m glad I went but I had no desire to go back. I have never seen a defendant in the dock ( and I have seen many over the years ) present like Letby. She’s a mass of contradictions.
JMO.

It must have been very depressing to watch.

Thank you for sharing.

 

[Parker Knoll]

You have got the mail on the head there Dotta, it was incredibly depressing.
Some people literally went every day almost treating it like some form of entertainment.
I was glad to leave without any desire to return.

 

[Parker Knoll]

NAIL - damn autocorrect !

 

[WaxLyrical]

While we await Letbys fate and have not much to chat about I will tell you the time I went to court during Letbys Cross Examination !
Now I didn’t share this on the main thread as I was very concerned at the time but so many people on many platforms have shared their experience I thought it would be mildly interesting to anyone on here.
I went for the cross examination of dear Baby I and it was very last minute but I just HAD to see how she presented in court as that makes such a difference.
I totally agree with @CS2C in her demeanour, it’s actually quite staggering how almost “ disinterested “ she was under cross examination. The desk was covered with files and the two guards who sit either side of her helped her with getting the right ones out and the correct pages and she did sigh quite a lot when asked to refer to a certain page.
She is very similar to the court sketches, gone is the blonde hair, it’s a light ish brown and quite long and lank. Her face is slightly fuller obviously as she’s around 8 years older than the baby grow photo and her mouth is downturned.
She looks resigned but very tired.
She speaks eloquently with no hint of an accent that I could hear.
NJ KC was very measured with her, absolutely no raised voices and incredibly patient.
It was the day she stumbled over seeing Baby I in her cot in the dark and it was masterful to hear him draw her in without her twigging exactly where it was leading, I would liken it to a cat cornering a rat. She was resistant to follow when he was suggesting it would be almost impossible to see the baby in the cot from afar after she had arrived at N1 along the corridor which was brightly lit 24/7 into a darkened room. She walked right into the trap of one’s eyes adjusting to the light, she claimed she didn’t know how it would affect her eyesight to which NJ KC claimed “ Come on Lucy Letby …. You are a nurse “ and that when she came out with the line “ I could see what I was looking at ….. for “
She realised immediately and of course so did everyone else, she then followed up with her confusion over “ dates “ but we were not referring to dates.
Judge Goss halted proceedings early and court was cleared. I saw her parents outside court, mother VERY defensive and if you glance in her direction she will throw you back the mother of all dirty looks and was muttering loudly to herself which is rather odd as everyone looked. Her father just sits staring at the floor. Janet Cox who accompanies the parents was crying on and off. I’m glad I went but I had no desire to go back. I have never seen a defendant in the dock ( and I have seen many over the years ) present like Letby. She’s a mass of contradictions.
JMO.

Interesting insight on the mum, drawing attention to herself in that way.

 

[marynnu]

While we await Letbys fate and have not much to chat about I will tell you the time I went to court during Letbys Cross Examination !
Now I didn’t share this on the main thread as I was very concerned at the time but so many people on many platforms have shared their experience I thought it would be mildly interesting to anyone on here.
I went for the cross examination of dear Baby I and it was very last minute but I just HAD to see how she presented in court as that makes such a difference.
I totally agree with @CS2C in her demeanour, it’s actually quite staggering how almost “ disinterested “ she was under cross examination. The desk was covered with files and the two guards who sit either side of her helped her with getting the right ones out and the correct pages and she did sigh quite a lot when asked to refer to a certain page.
She is very similar to the court sketches, gone is the blonde hair, it’s a light ish brown and quite long and lank. Her face is slightly fuller obviously as she’s around 8 years older than the baby grow photo and her mouth is downturned.
She looks resigned but very tired.
She speaks eloquently with no hint of an accent that I could hear.
NJ KC was very measured with her, absolutely no raised voices and incredibly patient.
It was the day she stumbled over seeing Baby I in her cot in the dark and it was masterful to hear him draw her in without her twigging exactly where it was leading, I would liken it to a cat cornering a rat. She was resistant to follow when he was suggesting it would be almost impossible to see the baby in the cot from afar after she had arrived at N1 along the corridor which was brightly lit 24/7 into a darkened room. She walked right into the trap of one’s eyes adjusting to the light, she claimed she didn’t know how it would affect her eyesight to which NJ KC claimed “ Come on Lucy Letby …. You are a nurse “ and that when she came out with the line “ I could see what I was looking at ….. for “
She realised immediately and of course so did everyone else, she then followed up with her confusion over “ dates “ but we were not referring to dates.
Judge Goss halted proceedings early and court was cleared. I saw her parents outside court, mother VERY defensive and if you glance in her direction she will throw you back the mother of all dirty looks and was muttering loudly to herself which is rather odd as everyone looked. Her father just sits staring at the floor. Janet Cox who accompanies the parents was crying on and off. I’m glad I went but I had no desire to go back. I have never seen a defendant in the dock ( and I have seen many over the years ) present like Letby. She’s a mass of contradictions.
JMO.

Thanks for this PK. Sorry ask after all this very useful feedback, but is it 'look at..for' or vice versa? Or has my brain lost the plot?

 

[Dotta]

NAIL - damn autocorrect !

Yeah
I was scratching my head

 

[marynnu]

Interesting insight on the mum, drawing attention to herself in that way.

My mother did this a lot, but she was completely bonkers (a specialist medical term).