VERDICT WATCH UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #28

[dalsglen]

Ooh I think I’m going to hit Tuesday morning?

Wrong, it's going to be a Thursday at 3.11 this one, next one or the next, who knows. But definitely a Thursday

<modsnip: Off topic>

 

[ColourPurple]

Irish Times interview with BBC's Dan O’Donoghue about the LL trial.

Lucy Letby: the nurse on trial in Manchester for the murder of seven babies

In the News podcast with Bernice Harrison

www.irishtimes.com

 

[dalsglen]

Not sure if message went through, but if one wish some pictures of the case google it and go to "images". Although pictures can deceitful one way or the other. Let's wait what the news on the verdict tell us.

I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say but Yeah the images I see are certainly interesting and to me the smiley gentle pictures absolutely explain why the early threads here were very pro LL, well that and the absolute mess the nhs has been in.

 

[dalsglen]

The unit images are most interesting to me as it's really quite a small unit, quite similar to my own counties. Four kids, 3 months + in nicu/scbu in 4 different units across central/southern Scotland. Only one of those units was massive, Edinburgh Royal, the only unit that you would find a staff member in a room at all times. My southern Scottish county scbu, only really saw the staff mostly at cares times unless they brought me a drink, I went looking for them or they passed the corridor.

There was two incidents in a unit with one of my twins. Apparently sugars like crack to babies. He wasn't given sugar before his eye? test, he screamed and screamed. Nurse came running fill pelt out the room apologising. Other time he wasn't aspirated before a feed, total miscommunication between me and two nurses, but a baby that had produced pretty bad bile aspirates beforehand, they all crowded round and waited patiently watching him.

They knew they 'hurt' my baby, obviously not seriously or intentionally but the concern from them was very honest, open and watching this circus, unimaginable.

I'm really laid back though so can quite imagine others going nuts. Actually now I wonder, did any of the parents lose their sheet at her?

 

[Von Moltke]

As per request by someone else, here's the pictures (drawing) of the trial and herself and sources. Sources Daily Mail 14 July 2023. My point is posted below (in a nutshell, looks can be deceitful).

 

[Von Moltke]

I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say but Yeah the images I see are certainly interesting and to me the smiley gentle pictures absolutely explain why the early threads here were very pro LL, well that and the absolute mess the nhs has been in.

Hi There . I meant trials are supposed to find the truth whenever possible. Whoever sees the smiley pics, as you said, could judge otherwise. Hence trials obviously must get as much information as possible.

 

[simplex99]

As per request by someone else, here's the pictures (drawing) of the trial and herself and sources. Sources Daily Mail 14 July 2023. My point is posted below (in a nutshell, looks can be deceitful).

Perhaps not entirely relevant to the charges at hand, I would love to hear more details about CEO Tony Chambers' direct communications with Letby. I recall one (email/text/ conversation) exchange that was produced as evidence in court. CEO Chambers advised Letby that she would have a grievance hearing? It seemed somewhat more friendly in tone than an official notice, did I mistakenly recall that she referred to Tony by his first name? I hope someone else recalls the exact quote and can repost. And who selected Letby for the fundraising campaign? Not relevant and yet I would like to get a better idea of the culture.

 

[Helechawagirl]

Or coherently?

I think it’s a chat bit.

 

[CS2C]

Perhaps not entirely relevant to the charges at hand, I would love to hear more details about CEO Tony Chambers' direct communications with Letby. I recall one (email/text/ conversation) exchange that was produced as evidence in court. CEO Chambers advised Letby that she would have a grievance hearing? It seemed somewhat more friendly in tone than an official notice, did I mistakenly recall that she referred to Tony by his first name? I hope someone else recalls the exact quote and can repost. And who selected Letby for the fundraising campaign? Not relevant and yet I would like to get a better idea of the culture.

I think that was the day I was in court. Was that the last day of cross examination? I seem to recall Mr Johnson quoting a text from “Tony the union rep” could that correct ?

Let me know if you want any other details

 

[Dotta]

Perhaps not entirely relevant to the charges at hand, I would love to hear more details about CEO Tony Chambers' direct communications with Letby. I recall one (email/text/ conversation) exchange that was produced as evidence in court. CEO Chambers advised Letby that she would have a grievance hearing? It seemed somewhat more friendly in tone than an official notice, did I mistakenly recall that she referred to Tony by his first name? I hope someone else recalls the exact quote and can repost. And who selected Letby for the fundraising campaign? Not relevant and yet I would like to get a better idea of the culture.

"On August 8, Letby messages the nursing colleague:

"Tony phoned.
He's going to speak to Karen and insist on the review being no later than 1st week of Sept but said he definitely wouldn't advise pushing to get back to unit until it's taken place.
Asked about social things and he said it's up to me but would advise not speaking with anyone in case any of them are involved with the review process.
Thinks I should keep head down and ride it out and can take further once over.

Feel a bit like Im being shoved in a corner and forgotten about by the trust.
It's my life and career."

"He's not been given any information about the evidence he asked for which is good.
He's not sure what the external people are going to look at in relation to me but we are in the process now so have to ride it out".

The colleague responds:
"Ok well just have to take his advice then suppose".

Letby:
"Still can't believe this has happened."

Lucy Letby 'worried' she was 'in trouble' over baby deaths

LUCY LETBY messaged a nursing colleague: "If they have nothing or minimal on me they'll look silly" during a Countess of Chester Hospital…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

 

[Kemug]

She does sound honestly indignant, doesn't she?

 

[marynnu]

She does sound honestly indignant, doesn't she?

She does. I still can't get past the use of 'if' in the 'if they find little or nothing on me..' comment. Why would an innocent person say that? IMO.

 

[Sweeper2000]

She does. I still can't get past the use of 'if' in the 'if they find little or nothing on me..' comment. Why would an innocent person say that? IMO.

I think an innocent person would say that if they were confident that the care given by them wouldn’t leave much if anything to be desired. conversely if she did it she would have to have quite allot of confidence that the things she did didn leave much evidence. It’s either a statement of confidence in ones own practice or a statement of confidence in that what she did do wouldn’t be picked up on.

innocent person might think “I know I haven’t done anything so they won’t find anything“ or “what they do find will be very minor mistakes or errors and could not be used to associate me with the deaths and if that happens it looks like they are drawing very very tenuous conclusions“ example of minor mistakes being a error in times on a feeding schedule by five minutes or so Or maybe an hour off, easy mistake to make.

if she’s guilty that’s one hellofa statement of confidence in her own abilities to elude being caught.

 

[Tortoise]

LL: I've done a timeline of this year.

Colleague: Fab. And how quite a few babies weren't compatible with life anyway. I wonder if midwives get this with amount of stillbirths......"

LL: Yeah and some went off within hours/on handover. Or were already acutely unwell when I took over.

Colleague: Exactly.

LL: And put that when [Baby Q] went off no other staff able to care for him etc

Colleague: Not like all behaving fantastically till right into shift.

LL: Hoping to get as much info together as possible today -if they have nothing or minimal on me they'll look silly, not me.



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[BBM]

Another thing that's remarkable about it is she nudges her friend's attention towards the nursing/care the babies had before LL took over, and the nursing/care immediately after baby Q's collapse, but not her own nursing/care of the babies.

That is gaslighting, if guilty.

JMO

 

[Becci]

Hi mary is a sudden deterioration & a sudden collapse the same thing ty

 

[marynnu]

Hi mary is a sudden deterioration & a sudden collapse the same thing ty

I'm not sure there's an absolute definition of either. But sudden deterioration for me means sudden worsening - struggling for breath, O2 requirement going up, that sort of thing. A collapse means needing CPR. All JMO.

 

[Dotta]

Do babies really suddenly deteriorate rapidly and die out of the blue?

 

[Parker Knoll]

This is interesting, from the Irish Times and they interview Dan.

Lucy Letby: the nurse on trial in Manchester for the murder of seven babies

In the News podcast with Bernice Harrison

www.irishtimes.com

 

[esther43]

"On August 8, Letby messages the nursing colleague:

"Tony phoned.
He's going to speak to Karen and insist on the review being no later than 1st week of Sept but said he definitely wouldn't advise pushing to get back to unit until it's taken place.
Asked about social things and he said it's up to me but would advise not speaking with anyone in case any of them are involved with the review process.
Thinks I should keep head down and ride it out and can take further once over.

Feel a bit like Im being shoved in a corner and forgotten about by the trust.
It's my life and career."

"He's not been given any information about the evidence he asked for which is good.
He's not sure what the external people are going to look at in relation to me but we are in the process now so have to ride it out".

The colleague responds:
"Ok well just have to take his advice then suppose".

Letby:
"Still can't believe this has happened."

Lucy Letby 'worried' she was 'in trouble' over baby deaths

LUCY LETBY messaged a nursing colleague: "If they have nothing or minimal on me they'll look silly" during a Countess of Chester Hospital…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

Mmm. Funny that TC was advising that, knowing he had the visit from the RCPH coming up in September.
The weirdest thing is that after the RCPH issued the report in November, TC was still seemingly not willing to contact the police imminently.
I am ever curious about who bought the insulin to light. I am still unsure if senior management heard about it before the police got involved or whether it was uncovered by the police.

 

[Parker Knoll]

My apologies …. It’s already been posted upthread.
I will delete !