VERDICT WATCH UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #30

[notsure]

Were we told why the judge issued the new direction? Did the jury say they were having difficulty arriving at a unanimous verdict, or is it just something that judges do after a certain amount of time has elapsed without a verdict?

Sorry if this has already been covered.

 

[Parker Knoll]

No - we are non the wiser.
Please tell me there will not be one more “ twist “ to this case.

 

[MissMarbles]

Up to now my thoughts have been along the lines of the jury are being thorough and that's why they are taking so long. I was fairly relaxed about it.....but now..... I'm wondering whether they are having trouble making a decision.

I wonder what a usual time for deliberation would be after the judge's direction for a majority verdict? Would a few extra hours be reasonable or should we be thinking of days I wonder?

 

[JosieJo]

The mere thought of everyone involved having to go through all this again is unbearable

 

[gc105]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1689291866691272704

They go again tomorrow!

 

[Parker Knoll]

Sent home. Back tomorrow

 

[DianaWW]

I told you all it’ll be the 10th. Nothing to worry about. Tomorrow is the day

 

[Tortoise]

Length of Deliberations Predictions

Jul
Mon 10th - day 1 (afternoon only) - 2pm to 4pm minus 5mins = 1h 55m
Tue 11th - day 2 - 4h 20m
Wed 12th - day 3 - 4h 20m
Thu 13th - day 4 - 4h 20m
Fri 14th - day 5 - 4h 20m
Mon 24th - day 6 - 4h 20m
Tue 25th - day 7 - 4h 20m
Wed 26th - day 8 - 4h 15m
Thu 27th - day 9 - 4h 20m
Fri 28th - day 10 - 3h 50m (12pm - 4pm minus 2x 5 min breaks)
Aug
Tue 1st - day 11 - 4h 10m
Wed 2nd - day 12 - 4h 20m
Thu 3rd - day 13 - 4h 10m
Fri 4th - day 14 - 4h 15m
Tue 8th - day 15 - 4h 20m (majority direction given at 3pm)
Wed 9th - day 16 - 4h 20m

Running total = 65h 55m


Still in the game -

70h - @bobbymkii (backed by @Dotta and @marynnu )
75h - @CS2C (backed by @Kittybunny , @DianaWW , @Diddly1 and @Parker Knoll )
80h - @V347 (backed by @crystalline )

 

[marynnu]

Length of Deliberations Predictions

Jul
Mon 10th - day 1 (afternoon only) - 2pm to 4pm minus 5mins = 1h 55m
Tue 11th - day 2 - 4h 20m
Wed 12th - day 3 - 4h 20m
Thu 13th - day 4 - 4h 20m
Fri 14th - day 5 - 4h 20m
Mon 24th - day 6 - 4h 20m
Tue 25th - day 7 - 4h 20m
Wed 26th - day 8 - 4h 15m
Thu 27th - day 9 - 4h 20m
Fri 28th - day 10 - 3h 50m (12pm - 4pm minus 2x 5 min breaks)
Aug
Tue 1st - day 11 - 4h 10m
Wed 2nd - day 12 - 4h 20m
Thu 3rd - day 13 - 4h 10m
Fri 4th - day 14 - 4h 15m
Tue 8th - day 15 - 4h 20m (majority direction given at 3pm)
Wed 9th - day 16 - 4h 20m

Running total = 65h 55m


Still in the game -

70h - @bobbymkii (backed by @Dotta and @marynnu )
75h - @CS2C (backed by @Kittybunny , @DianaWW , @Diddly1 and @Parker Knoll )
80h - @V347 (backed by @crystalline )

Told you. In the bag.

 

[crystalline]

Told you. In the bag.

I actually hope you are correct. Tomorrow may be the day.

 

[Sweeper2000]

Sorry if anyone has already said this. I’m really curious to know why it would seem there are expectations in regards to how long a jury deliberates for? I would have thought the length of time was relative to the complexities of the evidence. For example a jury wouldn’t likely deliberate on one charge for as long as twenty two. I do find it interesting that this majority thing from the judge would give an indication.

 

[JosieJo]

I don’t know if they would? The crown may decide not to try her again.
It’s been a very costly, lengthy and resource-hungry investigation and trial. Just getting a general feel from various social media platforms there is a split right down the middle in terms of what people are leaning to. maybe 60:40 at best but it’s definitely nowhere near a unanimous or even a majority.

I hear you ..but I'd be suprised if they didn't retrial.
So many charges on super-vulnerable neonates? A defendant who has already been in prison years?
A nurse who is in a position of trust?
It surely needs sorting either way

 

[CS2C]

Does anyone remember which incubators baby A and baby B were situated ? There are four incubators in room 1.

 

[Dotta]

"In the bag"

We say here
IN THE BANK!!!

In the bag means here....
In the black body bag

 

[Jw192]

Length of Deliberations Predictions

Jul
Mon 10th - day 1 (afternoon only) - 2pm to 4pm minus 5mins = 1h 55m
Tue 11th - day 2 - 4h 20m
Wed 12th - day 3 - 4h 20m
Thu 13th - day 4 - 4h 20m
Fri 14th - day 5 - 4h 20m
Mon 24th - day 6 - 4h 20m
Tue 25th - day 7 - 4h 20m
Wed 26th - day 8 - 4h 15m
Thu 27th - day 9 - 4h 20m
Fri 28th - day 10 - 3h 50m (12pm - 4pm minus 2x 5 min breaks)
Aug
Tue 1st - day 11 - 4h 10m
Wed 2nd - day 12 - 4h 20m
Thu 3rd - day 13 - 4h 10m
Fri 4th - day 14 - 4h 15m
Tue 8th - day 15 - 4h 20m (majority direction given at 3pm)
Wed 9th - day 16 - 4h 20m

Running total = 65h 55m


Still in the game -

70h - @bobbymkii (backed by @Dotta and @marynnu )
75h - @CS2C (backed by @Kittybunny , @DianaWW , @Diddly1 and @Parker Knoll )
80h - @V347 (backed by @crystalline )

Can I back @V347 please

 

[marynnu]

Does anyone remember which incubators baby A and baby B were situated ? There are four incubators in room 1.

I'm not sure we ever knew?

 

[CS2C]

I'm not sure we ever knew?

Yeah I can’t seem to find it. I am going through each case again and I found it interesting that other nurses were present in room 1 with Letby before and at the time of the collapse. Nurse Melanie Taylor said she could see the incubator from where she was sat at the computer so I can only imagine it is one of two incubators just as you come through the door.

 

[marynnu]

Yeah I can’t seem to find it. I am going through each case again and I found it interesting that other nurses were present in room 1 with Letby before and at the time of the collapse. Nurse Melanie Taylor said she could see the incubator from where she was sat at the computer so I can only imagine it is one of two incubators just as you come through the door.

I see the two you mean. Any particular reason you're checking?

 

[CS2C]

I see the two you mean. Any particular reason you're checking?

Yes I am creating a video series looking at the cases individually once the trial has concluded and I’m looking for a window of opportunity when the other nurses may have been distracted or busy elsewhere. As you can see room 1 is the largest of the 4 and may have afforded the opportunity for an attack to take place despite there being others present in the same room.

 

[CS2C]

Just to add both Melanie Taylor and Caroline Bennion we’re in the room at the handover and Caroline was tending to Child B when child A began to decline.