UK - Nurse Lucy Letby Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #4

[Tortoise]

3:02pm

Miss Taylor confirms she had recently become a band 6 nurse in 2015, having worked at the hospital for several years.
She tells the court Child A and B were in neighbouring incubators in the neonatal unit.
Child A was "stable", on nasal CPAP.

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[Marantz4250b]

I really struggle to justify anyone remembering an anniversary of a death

Some people do though. Some people have almost total recall - maybe she's a real life Sheldon Cooper?

 

[JosieJo]

Just thinking out loud also ...many unusual things can be justified with other reasons...but I do start to wonder how many unusual things I have to justify in a case

 

[Tortoise]

3:10pm

Miss Taylor explains the medical observations made for Child A during the day shift, via retrospective notes.
The respiratory rate was 'slightly raised at times', but Miss Taylor said this was not unusual.

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[Noseyposy76]

Yes but this is different to what they said before they said she could have found them on "people you may know" which is not possible with how it's logged


But then this search is a drop down from the search bar. Which now is being said, but that's completely different search mechanism

The search bar, which means you previously searched them or when you type the name of first part of someone's name.

Ill be clear everything in the search bar is logged, and if you " use the drop down" yes it means you previously used the Facebook search bar to find that person and it's logged.

It will not do that on 'people you know" which is the point.that was wrong before

I was referring to you disputing that you can just click on a name previously searched without having to type it out and it will show in your most recent search history. However it appears you have since acknowledged that you can.The OP was suggesting that by just coming across a previous search and clicking on it, is less dubious than actively seeking the person out by typing in their name. The poster had already acknowledged that LL must have searched for them previously. As for “the people you may know“ suggestions, it is usually either people whose profiles you have previously searched for or those of mutual friends that come up. And if you click on one of those, no it won’t show up in your activity log, but I never agreed it did!

 

[arrogantcat]

I really struggle to justify anyone remembering an anniversary of a death

Really? To me it seems quite plausible. Eg, it’s also a friend’s birthday, and one memory jogs the other.

I’ll often find myself thinking strongly about a place or a person for no reason. Then when I go into my photos to look at that thing, it turns out to be exactly a year or 5 years or whatever to the day since I last visited.
I couldn’t tell you the exact date from memory though, so it’s not like it’s deliberate - just something about the time of year, the weather perhaps, the events going on in my work and social life etc, that somehow reminds me of it subconsciously.

 

[Tortoise]

3:21pm

Miss Taylor: "I had no concerns with him, he was stable - on CPAP, but stable.
"One thing was he didn't have fluids for a couple of hours because of issues with lines.
"The cannula - that 'tissued' at some point during the shift [the vein has 'gone' and it cannot be suitable for a cannula to be used there].
"A UVC was attempted to be put in - but it has to be x-rayed and under sterile conditions and in the right position before we can use that line."
The UVC was in the 'wrong position' twice - it had been taken out and re-inserted, but was still in the wrong place. Another option was sought.
"They attempted to...[use a] long line, which again has to be done under sterile conditions by a doctor, and again x-rays have to be used."
Miss Taylor said Child A would not have had fluids for 'about a couple of hours'. A reading on the chart to say 'cannula tissued' is made by Miss Taylor in the 4pm row.
A small amount of expressed breast milk is administered at 4pm and 6pm via the naso-gastric tube.

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[JosieJo]

Really? To me it seems quite plausible. Eg, it’s also a friend’s birthday, and one memory jogs the other.

I’ll often find myself thinking strongly about a place or a person for no reason. Then when I go into my photos to look at that thing, it turns out to be exactly a year or 5 years or whatever to the day since I last visited.
I couldn’t tell you the exact date from memory though, so it’s not like it’s deliberate - just something about the time of year, the weather perhaps, the events going on in my work and social life etc, that somehow reminds me of it subconsciously.

If this is the case we really should expect the defence to counter with this information. .if not its not something we could presume

 

[Powermjp]

I was referring to you disputing that you can just click on a name previously searched without having to type it out and it will show in your most recent search history. However it appears you have since acknowledged that you can.The OP was suggesting that by just coming across a previous search and clicking on it, is less dubious than actively seeking the person out by typing in their name. The poster had already acknowledged that LL must have searched for them previously. As for “the people you may know“ suggestions, it is usually either people whose profiles you have previously searched for or those of mutual friends that come up. And if you click on one of those, no it won’t show up in your activity log, but I never agreed it did!

I guess it's personal choice if it's less dubious.

The drop down section in the search bar has about the last 6 things you searched. So for her to have all these parents in that section would mean she had been regularly visiting them, searching for them. I'm not sure if thats less dubious, it could be more odd

So for her on Christmas day to search that person in the way the poster was suggesting, one of the last 6 or so people she used search the search bar feature would have been the parent. I'm not sure if that's less more more dubious?

 

[Tortoise]

3:26pm

Miss Taylor said she had "no concerns" from the neonatal intensive care unit observation chart measuring Child A's heart rate, respiratory rate and body temperature each hour.

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[Tortoise]

3:31pm

An addendum by Miss Taylor just after 7pm recorded the UVC was in the wrong position, and was reinserted, but was still in the wrong position.
Notes shown on the screen record: "Aware no fluids running for a couple of hours," adding a long line was inserted by the registrar.

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[Marantz4250b]

I guess it's personal choice if it's less dubious.

The drop down section in the search bar has about the last 6 things you searched. So for her to have all these parents in that section would mean she had been regularly visiting them, searching for them. I'm not sure if thats less dubious, it could be more odd

So for her on Christmas day to search that person in the way the poster was suggesting, one of the last 6 or so people she used search the search bar feature would have been the parent. I'm not sure if that's less more more dubious?

It's not that straightforward. On my laptop the drop-down shows the last eight; when I use Chrome browser on my phone it shows eleven or twelve; when I deleted the most recent one and went back on the search it had a "Suggested For You" at the bottom of the search history which was the thing I'd just deleted from the top of the search!

I don't have the app on my phone so can't comment on that. It is not the same on all platforms, clearly.

 

[Powermjp]

It's not that straightforward. On my laptop the drop-down shows the last eight; when I use Chrome browser on my phone it shows eleven or twelve; when I deleted the most recent one and went back on the search it had a "Suggested For You" at the bottom of the search history which was the thing I'd just deleted from the top of the search!

I don't have the app on my phone so can't comment on that. It is not the same on all platforms, clearly.

On my phone it's 6, but let's say she used a laptop like you

Either way my point is that she would have recently searched all these parents in the last 12 searches, I'll say used a laptop like you let's says it's 12. Ands that only to support if she even used the drop down section like you're suggesting.


I'm not sure that's even less dubious?

She would have recently searched for all these people, using the Facebook search bar.

 

[Tortoise]

3:41pm

Miss Taylor said she would have relayed the observations to Lucy Letby at the hand-over, and there were no concerns other than the lack of fluids Child A had had for a couple of hours.
The 10% dextrose IV fluid is prescribed, via long line, prescribed by a doctor. A prescription form is shown the court and Miss Taylor explains the various columns and signatures.
Miss Taylor: "All fluids will be checked by two nurses - it is signed [on the prescription form] that I have checked it with Lucy Letby."
The time and date the medication is started is June 8 at 8.05pm.

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[infinit]

Another thing to consider on the whole FB thing is the algorithm to some degree increases how high someone comes up in the search results based on if you've previously interacted with the profile.

 

[Tortoise]

Has it been explained before, why does he need "fluids" through a long line as well as breast milk through his naso-gastric tube?

 

[Tortoise]

3:46pm

Miss Taylor explains emergency equipment checks are made at the time of the hand-over - in this case, 8pm.

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[Noseyposy76]

I guess it's personal choice if it's less dubious.

The drop down section in the search bar has about the last 6 things you searched. So for her to have all these parents in that section would mean she had been regularly visiting them, searching for them. I'm not sure if thats less dubious, it could be more odd

So for her on Christmas day to search that person in the way the poster was suggesting, one of the last 6 or so people she used search the search bar feature would have been the parent. I'm not sure if that's less more more dubious?

If you click on see all, it let’s you go back through well over a hundred searches.

 

[Tortoise]

3:54pm

Miss Taylor said she would have started writing up a nursing note, but Child A then started deteriorating, so the note would not have been saved on the computer.
She said she would have been able to see Child A's incubator when sat at the computer.
She said: "Lucy Letby was standing by the incubator. Initially I stayed there [when Child A started deteriorating] as he was fairly stable and Lucy Letby was there, but when I realised he was not recovering from deterioration I got up to help Lucy Letby."
She said the baby monitor would have alarmed.
Miss Taylor said she is unable to say how long she had been away from the incubator, and thinks it was after the dextrose was administered.
Miss Taylor said she thought Child A was going to recover "quite quickly" as such desaturations were not that uncommon, but when it became clear he was not going to recover she went to help.
"I kept thinking he was going to recover, but he didn't."
Miss Taylor said she was not directly involved in the resuscitation, but involved in getting adrenaline medication.
The following day Miss Taylor was called back to the hospital to finish the notes which had not been completed at the time, 'due to the trauma of what had gone on'.

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[Tortoise]

3:55pm

Ben Myers KC, for the defence, is now questioning Miss Taylor.

3:57pm

Mr Myers: "Do you find that even with the notes, it can be difficult to recall what happened?"
Miss Taylor: "It is, but...in my witness statement, if I was not sure, I said I was not sure."

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