UK - Nurse Lucy Letby Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #4

[Noseyposy76]

Christmas Day doesn't sound good at all. Not at all.

I have suggested this before, if she is completely innocent she may still feel some responsibility that these babies died under her care. Isn’t Christmas a time people think of others less fortunate and those who have lost. If anything that would be the one day you would expect someone who was genuinely traumatised to think of those babies who died in her care and their poor families the most.

 

[notsure]

I have suggested this before, if she is completely innocent she may still feel some responsibility that these babies died under her care. Isn’t Christmas a time people think of others less fortunate and those who have lost. If anything that would be the one day you would expect someone who was genuinely traumatised to think of those babies who died in her care and their poor families the most.

She could well have been wondering how the families were getting on after their ordeal.

As she doesn't have a family herself, she might be more likely to do this than someone who is very busy with their own kids.

 

[Tortoise]

So far, I've heard nothing that points to LL as doing anything wrong, apart from "taking her work home with her" or being too emotionally invested in the families involved.

Looks like there were failings in the unit as a whole.

Well to be fair, we haven't heard from the experts yet about the cause of the death of baby A, and cross-examination of those witnesses. This is still setting the scene for what happened next, when LL took over.

 

[Tortoise]

It may be because mostly nurses check the bag or infusion then the 2nd nurse would walk away and carry on with other things while nurse 1 would stay alone and carry on with setting it up.
It might have been (not totally sure) that the prosecution wanted to clarify to the jury that just because 2 nurses have to check an infusion doesn't mean they are both present at the exact time of administration...if that makes sense

So she was with LL during the administration of the fluids but doing something else and not watching?

 

[notsure]

Well to be fair, we haven't heard from the experts yet about the cause of the death of baby A, and cross-examination of those witnesses. This is still setting the scene for what happened next, when LL took over.

Certainly. It will be interesting to hear if there is anything incriminating that any of the doctors/nurses can remember.

 

[JosieJo]

So she was with LL during the administration of the fluids but doing something else and not watching?

Obviously I'm not sure but often the second nurse would not be by the administering nurse as they hooked up the bag.

 

[JosieJo]

"No signs of any problems throughout the day."

I guess the incorrectly placed catheter, which resulted in a lack of fluids for a couple of hours, was no cause for concern.

That wouldn't be anything particularly unusual

 

[GraceVPrice]

As a juror, I'm not convinced Baby A was her fault. The baby having the lack of fluids is concerning to me, and pushes the blame away from LL. IMO


<MODNOTE: Grace has clarified a few posts from now that they aren't a juror, but if they were, this would be their thought on Baby A>

 

[JosieJo]

I have suggested this before, if she is completely innocent she may still feel some responsibility that these babies died under her care. Isn’t Christmas a time people think of others less fortunate and those who have lost. If anything that would be the one day you would expect someone who was genuinely traumatised to think of those babies who died in her care and their poor families the most.

Unfortunately if she doesn't take the stand and explain herself ...or explain herself in a statement the jury can't make scenarios up though

 

[Emma2007]

Christmas Day doesn't sound good at all. Not at all.

I think it’s worth considering that while most people think of Christmas Day to be a time of celebrating with family, the reality is that as a nurse she might have been working Christmas Day (Especially as a single nurse with no children).
The idea that she left her family to go do fb searches could be far off the mark.

 

[JosieJo]

The example of the line being in incorrect position first time and not having iv fluids for 2 hours is why it will be so important for the medical and nursing staff to put these things into prospective for the jury

 

[notsure]

That wouldn't be anything particularly unusual

Yet complications may arise from these catheters, apparently (I Googled it).

 

[JosieJo]

Yet complications may arise from these catheters, apparently (I Googled it).

They can yes .. but complications can arise from most things in medicine.
These are used constantly on neonatal units and on the long shot chance a complication did occur the drs would recognise it was the cause.
So far there has been no evidence to suggest there was a complication caused by this.
It's possible it might come up.but no indication so far

 

[Noseyposy76]

Unfortunately if she doesn't take the stand and explain herself ...or explain herself in a statement the jury can't make scenarios up though

Well if not, hopefully they will do what they are supposed to do and look at everything they are presented with objectively.

 

[Marantz4250b]

So far, I've heard nothing that points to LL as doing anything wrong, apart from "taking her work home with her" or being too emotionally invested in the families involved.

Looks like there were failings in the unit as a whole.

I have to say that I entirely agree with this.

 

[JosieJo]

Well if not, hopefully they will do what they are supposed to do and look at everything they are presented with objectively.

Hopefully yes ...but the Judge will instruct the Jury to make their decision based on what what is presented in court. They can't make a decision based on "possible" scenarios not presented

 

[Marantz4250b]

As a juror, I'm not convinced Baby A was her fault. The baby having the lack of fluids is concerning to me, and pushes the blame away from LL. IMO

I entirely agree, thus far.

Just to clarify.....you aren't a juror, I hope?

 

[Marantz4250b]

Unfortunately if she doesn't take the stand and explain herself ...or explain herself in a statement the jury can't make scenarios up though

I don't think she will. I think it is entirely reasonable for her defence KC to give the reasons for things like this. I think it will be more difficult to explain away the hand-written notes unless she does so in person, though.

 

[Marantz4250b]

I think it’s worth considering that while most people think of Christmas Day to be a time of celebrating with family, the reality is that as a nurse she might have been working Christmas Day (Especially as a single nurse with no children).
The idea that she left her family to go do fb searches could be far off the mark.

Agreed. There are plenty of rational reasons as to why an innocent person would be making searches like that on Christmas day.

 

[GraceVPrice]

I entirely agree, thus far.

Just to clarify.....you aren't a juror, I hope?

omg no! Just a websleuther from NJ