UK - Nurse Lucy Letby Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #7

[Dotta]

Mr Johnson asks if the stock TPN bag was contaminated to the same degree as the bespoke bag.

Prof Hindmarsh says the glucose concentrations are not much different from 1.54am-10am, when the bag is changed, and after then.

"The contents [and contamination] are probably about the same."

With this are the procesuction accepting its two bags now?

I just don't see how they can put lucy on the 2nd bag, as it was a stock one and she was not there. It was one of the stronger cases against LL in my opinion, until this issue with the bags.

I understood the bags were kept in the fridge prepared for this particular baby.
A witness said the bag could be contaminated using a syringe and nobody would be any wiser b/c the bag seals itself after being pierced by a needle.
And it could be done just "behind a cupboard door" (if I remember correctly) without anybody noticing.

But, who knows?

Moo

 

[Tortoise]

LL's texts and Facebook searches, in a timeline of the cases, with info known to date.
Part 2 - Jul 2015 to 2018



Jul 2015

baby B went home


27 Jul 2015, Mon

LL was sent a text, on her time off, asking if she would be back in time for a debrief regarding baby A. She says she will be looking to get back in time for that.


30 Jul 2015, Thu

Staff debrief into death of baby A


2 Aug 2015, Sun

8pm – LL’s night shift

10.34pm –
JJ-K: "Hope work ok".
LL: "yeah it's fine, bit too Q word really."
JJ-K: "Don't complain as Wed and Thurs horrible lol! It will pick up again."


3 Aug 2015, Mon

8am – LL finishes night shift


8pm – LL’s night shift

9pm - twin baby (boy) E’s mother visited and saw him bleeding from mouth

11.40pm – twin baby E collapsed


4 Aug 2015, Tue

1.40am – twin baby E pronounced dead - murder charge

8am – LL finishes night shift

8.58am –
Colleague: "You ok? Just heard about E. Did you have him? Sending hugs xx"
LL: "News travels fast - who told you? Yeah I had them both, was horrible."
Colleague: someone at the handover 'told me just now'. 'Had he been getting poorly or was it sudden?' ‘Poor you. You’re having a time of it.”
LL: He had a 'massive gastrointestinal haemorrhage'.
Colleague: ‘Damn. He’d always struggled feeding. I just feel for his parents and you. You’ve had really tough times recently.’
LL: E was 'IUGR [Intrauterine growth restriction] and REDF [Reversal of umbilical artery end-diastolic flow]' Guess he was very high risk. Was just awful, he was bleeding from everywhere during resus. Got him back but gas incompatible. Parents completely distraught. I feel numb.

8pm – LL’s night shift

7.55pm –
JJ-K: "Hey how's you?"
8.01pm -
LL: "Not so good, we lost E overnight."
8.02pm -
JJ-K: "That’s sad. ‘We’re on a terrible run at the moment. Were you in 1? x"
8.02pm
LL: "Yes. I had him and F x"
JJ-K: "That’s not good, you need a break from it being on your shift. x"
LL: "It's the luck of the drawer (sic) isn’t it, unfortunately. Only three trained, so I ended up having both, whereas just F the other shifts."
JJ-K: "You seem to be having some very bad luck though."
LL: "Not a lot I can do really. He had massive haemorrhage could have happened to any baby. x"
JJ-K: "No, you did everything you could, I know it can happen to any baby, very scary", I have seen one, my baby did it in nursery 3 once, horrible.”
LL: "Wasn’t nice. This was abdominal. I’ve only seen pulmonary before.”
JJ-K: Hope your be ok. Chin up”
LL: I’m ok. Went to [colleague] for a chat earlier on and with nice people tonight.
JJ-K: Hope your night goes ok.”


5 Aug 2015, Wed

12.25am– alleged contamination of baby (boy) F’s TPN bag with insulin

8am – LL finishes night shift

Before 10am –
LL has been messaging the night shift designated nurse for F;
LL: "Did you hear what F's sugar was at 8[am]?"
Nurse: "No?"
LL: "1.8"
Nurse: "[S***]!!!!", adding she felt "awful" for her care of F that night.
LL: "Something isn't right if he is dropping like that with the amount of fluid he’s had and being 1.65kg" adding that F's heel has to be taken into consideration [as blood gas tests are taken via heel pricks, and cannot be done too regularly].
Nurse: "Exactly, he had so much handling. No something not right. Heart rate and sugars."
LL: "Dr Gibbs came so hopefully they will get him sorted. "He is a worry [though]."
Nurse: "Hpe so. He is a worry."
LL: "Hope you sleep well...let me know how F is tonight please."
Nurse: "I will hun".

day shift – twin baby F low blood sugar persisted despite 5 dextrose injections – readings mean he must have been given synthetic insulin - attempted murder charge

4pm - LL’s phone receives an invitation from an estate agency firm confirming a viewing for a property in Chester, near the hospital. This home would be the address where LL stayed until her 2018 arrest.

6pm –
LL texts a colleague Minna Lappalainen:
LL: "Hi! Are you going to salsa tonite?"
ML: "Should do really as I haven't been for ages. Meet at TF 2020?”
LL: 'ok' emoji. LL adds: "Need to try and find some sort of post nites energy"
ML: “Don’t have to stay late.”
LL: "Hasta luego".

Evening –
Night shift designated nurse messaged LL: "He is a bit more stable, heart rate 160-170. Changed long line but sugars still 1.9 all afternoon. Seems like long line tissued was not cause of sugar problem, doing various tests to try to find answers”
LL: "Oh dear, thanks for letting me know."
Nurse: "He’s defo better tho. Looks well, handling fine."
LL: "Good."

11.58pm –
LL’s text to same nurse: "Wonder if he has an endocrine problem then. Hope they can get to bottom of it. "On way home from salsa with Minna. Feel better now I’ve been out."
Nurse: "Good, glad you feel better. Maybe re endocrine. Maybe just prematurity."
LL: "How are parents?"
Nurse: "OK. Tired. They've just gone to bed."
LL: "Glad they feel able to leave him."
Nurse: "Yes. they know we'll get them so good they trust us."
LL: Yes.
?: "Hope you have a good night."


6 Aug 2015, Thu

LL had a house-viewing appointment.

7.58pm - Facebook mother of E&F


7 Aug 2015, Fri

LL gave twin F’s mother a photograph of him ‘holding' twin E's teddy.


9 Aug 2015, Sun

10.17pm –
LL texted a nurse: I said goodbye to [E&F]’s parents as F might go tomorrow. They both cried and hugged me saying they will never be able to thank me for the love and care I gave to E and for the precious memories I’ve given them. It’s heartbreaking’
Nurse: 'It’s heart-breaking, but you’ve done your job to the highest standard with compassion and professionalism. 'When we can’t save a baby we can try to make sure that the loss of their child is the one regret the parents have. It sounds like that’s exactly what you have done. You should feel very proud of yourself esp as you’ve done so well in such tough heartbreaking circumstances. Xx’
LL: 'I just feel sad that they’re thanking me when they have lost him and for something that any of us would have done. But it’s really nice to know that I got it right for them. That’s all I want.'
Nurse: ‘It has been tough. You’ve handled it all really well. They know everything possible was done and that no-one gave up on E till it was in his best interest. As a parent you want the best for your child and sometimes that isn’t what you’d choose. Doesn’t mean that your [sic] not grateful to those that helped your child and you tho.’
LL: ‘Thank you xx’


23 Aug 2015 – Facebook mother of E&F

2 Sep 2015 – Facebook mother of A&B


6 Sep 2015, Sun

8pm – LL’s night shift


7 Sep 2015, Mon

2.15am - baby (girl) G vomited violently out of cot onto nearby chair & floor and stopped breathing while designated nurse was on her 1hr break. After vomiting the amount of milk aspirated from baby G’s stomach was equal to her feed. X-ray showed air in abdomen & intestines.

6.05am – 100mls of air was aspirated from baby G’s nasogastric tube - attempted murder charge


9 Sep 2015 – Facebook parents of A&B

14 Sep 2015 – Facebook mother of E&F


21 Sep 2015, Mon

8am – LL’s day shift

10.20am – baby G projectile vomited twice and stopped breathing

mid pm – baby G collapsed and her monitor was seen to be off. Baby G is severely disabled as a result of the two episodes - 2 x attempted murder charges

21 Sep 2015 – Facebook parents of baby G
21 Sep 2015 – minutes later Facebook mother of E&F
21 Sep 2015 – minutes later Facebook mother of another baby listed in the charges


25 Sep 2015, Fri

8pm – LL’s nightshift


26 Sep 2015, Sat

3.22am – baby (girl) H collapsed and required CPR after LL administered fluids - attempted murder charge

8am – LL finishes night shift


8pm – LL’s night shift


27 Sep 2015, Sun

12.55am - baby H collapsed – LL’s signatures on medicine administrations

3.30am – baby H collapsed again - LL was treating & gave the history to the attending doctor despite not being her designated nurse - attempted murder charge


30 Sep 2015, Wed

8am – LL’s day shift

4.30pm - baby (girl) I vomited and was struggling to breathe after LL fed her

5.39pm – x-ray of baby I showed massive amount of gas in stomach & bowels and lungs squashed - alleged attempted murder (not charged but chgd w/murder)


Oct 2015 – (either 3rd, 10th, 17th, 24th or 31st) Facebook father of baby D
5 Oct 2015 – early hours – Facebook mother of baby I
5 Oct 2015 – early hours – Facebook father of E&F
5 Oct 2015 – early hours – Facebook mother of H


12 Oct 2015, Mon

8pm – LL’s night shift


13 Oct 2015, Tue

3.20am – LL remarked from the nursery doorway that baby I was looking pale but the room was darkened – nurse found her pale and not breathing but the alarm had not sounded. CPR was performed. X-ray showed gaseous distention of abdomen & bowel - alleged attempted murder (not charged but chgd w/murder)

8am – LL finishes night shift


8pm – LL’s night shift


14 Oct 2015, Wed

5am – baby I had increasing abdominal distention

6.05am – baby I’s x-ray showed widespread gaseous distention

Time? – baby I collapsed and required CPR - alleged attempted murder (not charged but chgd w/murder)


22 Oct 2015, Thu


8pm – LL’s night shift

just before midnight - baby I collapsed and required CPR – LL was attending - alleged attempted murder (not charged but chgd w/murder)


23 Oct 2015, Fri

1.06am - baby I’s monitor alarm sounded and she screamed – LL was beside the incubator – baby I died - murder charge

After Baby I’s death LL sent a sympathy card to baby I’s parents and kept a photo of it on her phone


5 Nov 2015 – Facebook – mother of E&F


12 Nov 2015, Thu

8.32pm -
A colleague texted LL: [E&F]’s parents brought a gorgeous huge hamper in today. Felt awful as couldn’t remember who they were till opened the card. Was very nice of them though n F looks 'fab x'.
LL: 'Oh gosh, did they, awe wish I could have seen them. That’ll stay with me forever. Lovely family x'.


26 Nov 2015, Thu

Before her nightshift started
LL texted a work colleague complaining that the babies she was to look after, including J, only needed help feeding.

8pm – LL’s night shift


27 Nov 2015, Fri

6.56am - baby (girl) J had a seizure. Her oxygen level dropped so low it was unrecordable

7.20am – LL gave baby J a glucose infusion – baby J collapsed again and CPR was performed - attempted murder charge (consistent with obstruction of airways - smothering)


Nov 2015 – Facebook – parents of baby J

7 Dec 2015 – Facebook - mother of E&F

25 Dec 2015 – 11.26pm - Facebook – mother of E&F

Jan 2016 – Facebook mother of E&F

10 Jan 2016 – Facebook – mother of E&F (last time)


16 Feb 2016, Tue

8pm – LL’s night shift


17 Feb 2016, Wed

am – baby (girl) K sedated premature baby stopped breathing – Dr found LL standing over the incubator not helping, the breathing tube secured with tape to K’s headgear was dislodged, and the monitor alarm not sounding.

later am – LL called for help - baby K’s breathing tube had moved too far into her throat - attempted murder charge


After 17 Feb 2016 – LL moved to day shifts


9 Apr 2016, Sat

8am – LL’s day shift –

twin baby (boy) L – insulin - attempted murder charge
twin baby (boy) M – alleged injection of air - attempted murder charge

Handwritten log of drugs administered to baby M during his collapse was found at LL’s house and she had noted his collapse in her diary.


2 Jun 2016, Thu

8pm – LL’s night shift


3 Jun 2016, Fri

1.05am – baby (boy) N collapsed and was crying and screaming. He was resuscitated – 1st attempted murder charge


15 Jun 2016, Wed

8am – LL’s day shift

8am – baby N collapsed when 2nd nurse’s back turned. He had blood in his mouth – 2nd attempted murder charge.

3pm - baby N collapsed again – more blood in throat – 3rd attempted murder charge


16-22 Jun 2016 – LL in Ibiza


23 Jun 2016, Thu

8am – LL’s day shift –

triplet baby (boy) O – liver injury – alleged impact trauma – and air injected into bloodstream and NGT - murder charge


24 Jun 2016, Fri

8am – LL’s day shift –

triplet baby (boy) P – air allegedly injected into stomach - murder charge


25 Jun 2016, Sat

8am – LL’s day shift –

baby (boy) Q – air and fluid allegedly injected into stomach via NGT - attempted murder charge

Handover sheet for morning of 25 Jun 2016 for baby Q was found at LL’s home



2016 – LL transferred to an admin role


23 Jun 2017 – anniversary of baby O’s death – Facebook – Surname of baby O (and P)

Apr 2018 – Facebook – parents of baby K

Other unreported dates – Facebook – parents of baby G


3 Jul 2018 – LL’s first arrest.

No Facebook searches for babies L, M, N, (O & P at the time, although she did do one a year later) or Q. All of these babies came to the unit after LL was moved to day-shifts.

 

[Powermjp]

I understood the bags were kept in the fridge prepared for this particular baby.
A witness said the bag could be contaminated using a syringe and nobody would be any wiser b/c the bag seals itself after being pierced by a needle.
And it could be done just "behind a cupboard door" (if I remember correctly) without anybody noticing.

But, who knows?

Moo

I think they should go for that, because from what I read the stock bags were grabbed at random and it would have been less realistic for LL to pre poison those?

But her using a syringe, do we know when LL was next in the ward to possibly do that syringing? Was LL in the ward at the same time of this alleged 2nd bag?

 

[Powermjp]

Nurse Lucy Letby 'poisoned baby by contaminating two intravenous bags'

Neonatal nurse Lucy Letby poisoned a baby boy by contaminating two bags of intravenous feed with insulin that could not be detected by the human eye, a court heard today.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Thanks, it does look like they are leaning towards the pre posioning from that report. Ill be interested to see how that goes, it will be hard to pin that directly i think

I do find it odd she was asking for updates about the baby while out dancing, and as usual she suggests what it could be 'Wonder if he has an endocrine problem,' that is a pattern in her texts she does quickly suggest diagnosis.

 

[Dotta]

Thanks, it does look like they are leaning towards the pre posioning from that report. Ill be interested to see how that goes, it will be hard to pin that directly i think

I do find it odd she was asking for updates about the baby while out dancing, and as usual she suggests what it could be 'Wonder if he has an endocrine problem,' that is a pattern in her texts she does quickly suggest diagnosis.

"A bottle of insulin was shown to the court and the professor explained how a health worker would need to use a syringe to carefully extract the liquid."

Ooops the syringe was mentioned in connection to the bottle of insulin, not the bag.

Baby left at risk of coma and death, jury hears - BBC News

Nurse Lucy Letby is accused of trying to kill the twin boy by giving him a large dose of insulin.

www-bbc-com.cdn.ampproject.org

 

[Marantz4250b]

I can understand why bereaved or affected parents are giving their evidence from behind a screen, but I don't get why some former colleagues are. They are not victims, and by the evidence tendered LL is of no threat to them, they are in the wrong demographic.

My take on it is that it's something sub-judice related; i think that there are other potential legal cases in line after this one and that these people are either witnesses or have themselves brought legal actions which can't be heard until after the conclusion of LL's trial.

We know that the hospital is a complete shower and it's highly likely that some people will have claims against it. We also know that lots of the parents have engaged solicitors (as the solicitors website says they have) so any identification of these witnesses may prejudice these legal actions.

British justice is open and there are very few reasons as to why witnesses are afforded priviledge from having their names reported. These are not "anonymous" witnesses as their names will be given in court, just can't be reported.

Edit: although I don't really understand the need for a screen.

 

[Tortoise]

Thanks, it does look like they are leaning towards the pre posioning from that report. Ill be interested to see how that goes, it will be hard to pin that directly i think

I do find it odd she was asking for updates about the baby while out dancing, and as usual she suggests what it could be 'Wonder if he has an endocrine problem,' that is a pattern in her texts she does quickly suggest diagnosis.

I'm not too concerned about the second bag business.

Mr Myers questions of the unnamed nurse highlights that it wasn't recorded on the chart at the time.

The fact that two nurses testified that they would have connected a new bag does not mean that the jury can't think that they are not certain, and can't apply their own common sense reasoning to this. I am 99% certain that the jury will be instructed this by the judge, before they deliberate, and that the prosecution will also talk through the conclusions that they can reach from this evidence.

IMO;
It makes no sense that there would be two poisoners or two poisoned bags.
Baby F received a massive amount of insulin just after midnight that made his heart rate soar and his blood sugar drop.
None of the nurses from the night shift were also working the day shift.
The nurse who contaminated the bag at midnight would not have known the bag would be interrupted by a doctor mid-morning.
There is no record of a stock bag being used for baby F, or that an extra bag was ordered to replenish the stock in the fridge.
I believe the prosecution asked the professor if the 'second bag' was equally contaminated not because they think there was a second bag, but just to deal with the nurse's evidence theoretically, as opposed to factually - knowing that they will tell the jury they can give whatever weight to the witness's memory and testimony they've heard, that they think is most sensible in the circumstances.

 

[JosieJo]

I'm not too concerned about the second bag business.

Mr Myers questions of the unnamed nurse highlights that it wasn't recorded on the chart at the time.

The fact that two nurses testified that they would have connected a new bag does not mean that the jury can't think that they are not certain, and can't apply their own common sense reasoning to this. I am 99% certain that the jury will be instructed this by the judge, before they deliberate, and that the prosecution will also talk through the conclusions that they can reach from this evidence.

IMO;
It makes no sense that there would be two poisoners or two poisoned bags.
Baby F received a massive amount of insulin just after midnight that made his heart rate soar and his blood sugar drop.
None of the nurses from the night shift were also working the day shift.
The nurse who contaminated the bag at midnight would not have known the bag would be interrupted by a doctor mid-morning.
There is no record of a stock bag being used for baby F, or that an extra bag was ordered to replenish the stock in the fridge.
I believe the prosecution asked the professor if the 'second bag' was equally contaminated not because they think there was a second bag, but just to deal with the nurse's evidence theoretically, as opposed to factually - knowing that they will tell the jury they can give whatever weight to the witness's memory and testimony they've heard, that they think is most sensible in the circumstances.

My thoughts exactly

 

[BabaVanga]

I'm not too concerned about the second bag business.

Mr Myers questions of the unnamed nurse highlights that it wasn't recorded on the chart at the time.

The fact that two nurses testified that they would have connected a new bag does not mean that the jury can't think that they are not certain, and can't apply their own common sense reasoning to this. I am 99% certain that the jury will be instructed this by the judge, before they deliberate, and that the prosecution will also talk through the conclusions that they can reach from this evidence.

IMO;
It makes no sense that there would be two poisoners or two poisoned bags.
Baby F received a massive amount of insulin just after midnight that made his heart rate soar and his blood sugar drop.
None of the nurses from the night shift were also working the day shift.
The nurse who contaminated the bag at midnight would not have known the bag would be interrupted by a doctor mid-morning.
There is no record of a stock bag being used for baby F, or that an extra bag was ordered to replenish the stock in the fridge.
I believe the prosecution asked the professor if the 'second bag' was equally contaminated not because they think there was a second bag, but just to deal with the nurse's evidence theoretically, as opposed to factually - knowing that they will tell the jury they can give whatever weight to the witness's memory and testimony they've heard, that they think is most sensible in the circumstances.

Eloquently said

 

[Tortoise]

I was quite struck by something in the timeline, and that is that it was Father's Day when LL came on shift, on the evening of 21st June 2015.

LL is a daughter. I wonder if she spent that Father's Day celebrating her own father.

Baby D was a daughter. Baby D's dad spent most of that Father's Day in the neonatal unit, with his new baby daughter.

LL seemed to particularly notice D's father. She texted "...Parents absolutely devastated, dad screaming. Andrew Brunton and Liz Newby said it will probably be investigated. Dad is beside himself. ...sometimes I think how is it such sick babies get through and others die so suddenly and unexpectedly. Guess it’s how it’s meant to be. ...there’s a reason for everything."

LL searched for D's father on Facebook 4 months later, in Oct 2015.

It seems particularly cruel for a father to be celebrating the gift of his new daughter on Father's Day, and to be woken in shock in the night and have that joy stripped away from him in under 30 minutes.

This was LL's text after baby A's death - "I just don't know how I'm going to feel seeing parents. Dad was on the floor crying saying ''please don't take our baby away'' when we took him to the mortuary."


Is it significant I wonder.

 

[notsure]

I was quite struck by something in the timeline, and that is that it was Father's Day when LL came on shift, on the evening of 21st June 2015.

LL is a daughter. I wonder if she spent that Father's Day celebrating her own father.

Baby D was a daughter. Baby D's dad spent most of that Father's Day in the neonatal unit, with his new baby daughter.

LL seemed to particularly notice D's father. She texted "...Parents absolutely devastated, dad screaming. Andrew Brunton and Liz Newby said it will probably be investigated. Dad is beside himself. ...sometimes I think how is it such sick babies get through and others die so suddenly and unexpectedly. Guess it’s how it’s meant to be. ...there’s a reason for everything."

LL searched for D's father on Facebook 4 months later, in Oct 2015.

It seems particularly cruel for a father to be celebrating the gift of his new daughter on Father's Day, and to be woken in shock in the night and have that joy stripped away from him in under 30 minutes.

This was LL's text after baby A's death - "I just don't know how I'm going to feel seeing parents. Dad was on the floor crying saying ''please don't take our baby away'' when we took him to the mortuary."


Is it significant I wonder.

The problem is, when you look at it with the idea she may be guilty, everything takes on a sinister aspect.

 

[Tortoise]

The problem is, when you look at it with the idea she may be guilty, everything takes on a sinister aspect.

It depends how we view the evidence. There is only observation of the facts in the case in my post.

Leading to query, for enquiring minds, in the event of guilt.

 

[Dotta]

If guilty...

Well, it might be significant or it might be not.

Twisted criminals always have twisted motives - real or delusional, conscious or unconscious.

I don't even try to understand.
Sometimes I don't even understand myself

Moo

 

[katydid23]

I can understand why bereaved or affected parents are giving their evidence from behind a screen, but I don't get why some former colleagues are. They are not victims, and by the evidence tendered LL is of no threat to them, they are in the wrong demographic.

I had read it was because the nurses are not wanting to be seen or named publicly, for fear of being seen as potentially 'fall guys.' In other words, the public might see them as possibly guilty of these crimes, since they were there in the same unit as the victims.

 

[katydid23]

It seems like LL was acting very reckless during this period of time. As this timeline goes on, there seems to be less doubt as to what was going on, imo. But only because there were so very many incidents. If it was just a few, there could be reasonable doubt. But the recklessness creates a distinct pattern that is hard to explain away. JMO

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[from part 2 of @Tortoise fabulous timeline, posted above]

7 Sep 2015, Mon

2.15am - baby (girl) G vomited violently out of cot onto nearby chair & floor and stopped breathing while designated nurse was on her 1hr break. After vomiting the amount of milk aspirated from baby G’s stomach was equal to her feed. X-ray showed air in abdomen & intestines.

6.05am – 100mls of air was aspirated from baby G’s nasogastric tube - attempted murder charge



21 Sep 2015, Mon

8am – LL’s day shift

10.20am – baby G projectile vomited twice and stopped breathing

mid pm – baby G collapsed and her monitor was seen to be off. Baby G is severely disabled as a result of the two episodes - 2 x attempted murder charges


27 Sep 2015, Sun

12.55am - baby H collapsed – LL’s signatures on medicine administrations

3.30am – baby H collapsed again - LL was treating & gave the history to the attending doctor despite not being her designated nurse - attempted murder charge


30 Sep 2015, Wed

8am – LL’s day shift

4.30pm - baby (girl) I vomited and was struggling to breathe ---after LL fed her

5.39pm – x-ray of baby I showed massive amount of gas in stomach & bowels and lungs squashed - alleged attempted murder (not charged but chgd w/murder)


After 17 Feb 2016 – LL moved to day shifts


9 Apr 2016, Sat

8am – LL’s day shift –

twin baby (boy) L – insulin - attempted murder charge
twin baby (boy) M – alleged injection of air - attempted murder charge

Handwritten log of drugs administered to baby M during his collapse was found at LL’s house and she had noted his collapse in her diary.

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[Kasmeer]

12 Jun 2015, Fri

LL texted a colleague who had been off work after looking after A when he was born: "Hi [nurse] - you may have heard by now but wanted to let you know that we lost little A on Monday. Knew you looked after him."
Colleague: "I didn't know actually, thanks for letting me know. That's terrible!"
<snip>
Colleague: 'I'm sorry it happened when you were taking care of him. You're not having a good run at the moment.'
LL: 'I wasn't supposed to be in either - [boss] swapped my nights as unit busy - but these things happen unfortunately. I took pictures, hand and footprints etc. They are besides themselves worried that they will lose B too.’
Colleague: "Yeah it's the business we are in unfortunately. Hopefully B will be ok in the end."

(Bolded and snipped for focus) Wait a sec... if the MSM quoting that one didn't muddle it with another date/baby, a colleague is saying "You're not having a good run at the moment" after only Baby A's death? Sheesh, makes you wonder what else was happening there which didn't meet the evidence standard for charging then, I'd assumed all the "bad run" comments began around baby D, not A.

(Ok, it's after B's collapse too, but I wouldn't personally phrase it as a bad "run" if the only crises related to twins, as being related, it's perhaps not unexpected for both to have problems if one does... the phrasing suggests more incidents than just those two to me)

 

[Kemug]

17 Feb 2016, Wed

am – baby (girl) K sedated premature baby stopped breathing – Dr found LL standing over the incubator not helping, the breathing tube secured with tape to K’s headgear was dislodged, and the monitor alarm not sounding.

later am – LL called for help - baby K’s breathing tube had moved too far into her throat - attempted murder charge


After 17 Feb 2016 – LL moved to day shifts

I seem to recall that the doctor, who was already suspicious of LL, found this incident so disturbing that he reported it (of course, I may be misremembering, as there is such a huge amount of evidence and testimony already). But I hadn't realised or remembered that his report was immediately acted upon, with Lucy straight away being removed from night shifts.

 

[Kemug]

21 Sep 2015, Mon

8am – LL’s day shift

10.20am – baby G projectile vomited twice and stopped breathing

mid pm – baby G collapsed and her monitor was seen to be off. Baby G is severely disabled as a result of the two episodes - 2 x attempted murder charges

Baby G is severely disabled?! This is just awful.

 

[crystalline]

(Bolded and snipped for focus) Wait a sec... if the MSM quoting that one didn't muddle it with another date/baby, a colleague is saying "You're not having a good run at the moment" after only Baby A's death? Sheesh, makes you wonder what else was happening there which didn't meet the evidence standard for charging then, I'd assumed all the "bad run" comments began around baby D, not A.

(Ok, it's after B's collapse too, but I wouldn't personally phrase it as a bad "run" if the only crises related to twins, as being related, it's perhaps not unexpected for both to have problems if one does... the phrasing suggests more incidents than just those two to me)

Yes, interesting.

The first thing that came to my mind here when you highlighted 'bad run' was the whole hospital at this time was having a bad run...by that I mean I've just quickly checked the data on freedom of information. Someone requested still birth figures etc. It would seem 2014 they had quite a high number compared to previous years. Then died back down 2015 and back up in 2016.....does make me wonder exactly how bad things may have been in some other departments here.

 

[Dotta]

Baby G is severely disabled?! This is just awful.

That is what I am afraid of.

That ALL (alleged) survivors might be scarred for life - one way or another.
Moo