UK - Nurse Lucy Letby Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #7

[katydid23]

Dan O'Donoghue​

I'm back at Manchester Crown Court for the murder trial of nurse Lucy Letby. Jurors will continue to hear evidence in relation to Child F this morning, who survived after allegedly being poisoned with insulin by Ms Letby, who denies all charges against her

@MrDanDonoghue

 

[katydid23]

Lucy Letby: Baby’s heart rate soared after receiving insulin, murder trial told

A BABY’S heart rate soared and his blood sugar level dropped dangerously low after he received fluids contaminated with insulin, the murder trial…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

 

[Honeybirdette]

From reading the texts back JJ-K is quite the hard *advertiser censored*. She was quite happy to tell LL she thought she was being odd and that she needed to consider what to do very carefully when LL was running on about how affected she was. The bit as well when LL apologises for being in a bad mood and JJ-K replies really stands out to me as an odd interaction too. I genuinely wonder if there were suspicions from staff that predate baby A.

I also though the text conversation between her and SE was interesting given that she was supposedly the new girl, yet was talking LL down from her ledge.

Where can I find these texts? I’ve missed this.

 

[Tortoise]

Where can I find these texts? I’ve missed this.

I've put them all in a 2-part timeline

part 1 UK - Nurse Lucy Letby Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #7 (post #780 in this thread)
part 2 UK - Nurse Lucy Letby Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #7 (post #783 in this thread)

 

[katydid23]

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Liz Hull

@lizhull


After a couple of days off I’m back at Manchester Crown Court today for the trial of alleged killer nurse Lucy Letby where the jury are continuing to hear about what happened to Baby F, a twin boy allegedly poisoned with insulin

 

[katydid23]

Dan O'Donoghue
@MrDanDonoghue

Consultant paediatrician Dr Satyanarayana Saladi is in the witness box. He is taking the court through his notes from August 2015 when Child F was at the Countess of Chester



Dr Saladi is taking jurors through clinical notes from early August 2015 which show Child F's blood sugar levels were low. Other measures such as white blood cell levels were in the 'normal range' and the baby was 'handling well'

The medic says that there was no abnormal breathing or heartrate and no abnormal bowl sounds. He assessed the baby's condition as 'satisfactory' on the morning of August 5

 

[Tortoise]

https://twitter.com/MrDanDonoghue

Dr Alison Ventress, who was a registrar at the Countess of Chester in 2015, is now in the witness box. She's taking the court through medicine charts recorded in the days following Child F's birth

She explains that a dose of insulin would always be prescribed by a doctor and it would always be administered as a separate infusion, never added to another fluid

A nurse, who cannot be named for legal reasons, is now giving evidence. She is going over her notes from the morning of 3 August 2015, which show that Child F was in some respiratory distress, but was coping well.

By the end of her shift that day he was 'satisfactory' showing 'no signs of any issues'

The nurse's notes show that in the hours before Child F's heart rate surged to over 200bmp and his blood sugars dropped, he was stable and handling well

Her notes also show that Child F was, at the request of his parents, due to be moved from the Countess of Chester to another hospital, but the transport team was unavailable due to another unrelated emergency

 

[Tortoise]

tapping fingers emoji, if we had one

(25 minutes since the last tweet!)

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

So then, how does a raft of independent medical expert opinion (neonatology experts and paediatric specialists from GOSH) of foul play (deliberate injections of air, trauma bleeding, and non-accidental poisoning with insulin) fit with scapegoating, in your opinion? And how does a mother finding her baby distressed and bleeding from the mouth, her phone records backing up the timing, walking in on LL not attending to his needs or calling a doctor, and making "fraudulent" nursing notes fit with that? There was no other single nurse present for all of these incidents, A to F.

All of this is exactly why a six month court hearing is necessary. Yet many people have preemptively decided LL is guilty and have even assigned motivations.

The evidence has not been laid out, the case has barely just started, the arguments have not been made. I am glad we live in a country with a sophisticated criminal justice system and not one where people on the internet decide.

 

[MachinaCollecta]

All of this is exactly why a six month court hearing is necessary. Yet many people have preemptively decided LL is guilty and have even assigned motivations.

The evidence has not been laid out, the case has barely just started, the arguments have not been made. I am glad we live in a country with a sophisticated criminal justice system and not one where people on the internet decide.

I’ve seen plenty in this thread dismantle anything that would even point to LL being guilty, which strikes me as doing exactly the same thing the other way around.

It’s an emotional case and there’s plenty left to go. Striking a balance is difficult when emotions run high.

 

[Tortoise]

All of this is exactly why a six month court hearing is necessary. Yet many people have preemptively decided LL is guilty and have even assigned motivations.

The evidence has not been laid out, the case has barely just started, the arguments have not been made. I am glad we live in a country with a sophisticated criminal justice system and not one where people on the internet decide.

We are six weeks into evidence now, and have heard prosecution evidence for six babies. I would say many people have seen the expert witnesses have not been challenged with alternative explanations, and many, many witnesses have been heard. The way it works is the medical experts would need to be given the opportunity to change their opinions on the stand, with alternatives put to them by the defence. Someone gave baby F synthetic insulin in his original TPN bag, according to Professor Hindmarsh, and there's only two nurses who connected the original bag of TPN. Only one of those two nurses was present for all of these cases.

No one here is deciding anything, it's an ongoing discussion of the evidence. I was wondering what you made of the medical evidence and the mother of baby E's evidence, when you decided "I still suspect that LL is possibly being scapegoated for all manner of hospital failings. JMO MOO"

I also started out following this case believing that LL was being scapegoated.

 

[Dcflag]

Is it usual to request a transfer? In the case of baby F I mean.

 

[Tortoise]

This trial is no different from a murder trial where a person has been stabbed or strangled by another and the defendant says it wasn't him, even though his phone pings put him there and other witnesses saw him there. I think it would be very unusual to only decide what you think about the evidence being reported, after the verdict. There's always a defence case, but the prosecution deals with that as they go along, it's not a surprise sprung in the second half of the trial.

MOO

 

[Tortoise]

Is it usual to request a transfer? In the case of baby F I mean.

In this case the mother had not been able to give birth at her closest hospital and the countess was a distance from her home. She was getting ready to be discharged herself after her c-section and so wanted her babies moved, before all of this happened.

 

[Tortoise]

https://twitter.com/MrDanDonoghue

Another nurse, who also cannot be named for legal reasons, is now in the witness box. Again she is taking the court through Child F's breathing/heart rate charts from her night shift - all showing the infant was 'stable'

The nurse said she had 'no concerns' about Child F on the evening of August 4

 

[LadyEdgeworth]

We are six weeks into evidence now, and have heard prosecution evidence for six babies. I would say many people have seen the expert witnesses have not been challenged with alternative explanations, and many, many witnesses have been heard. The way it works is the medical experts would need to be given the opportunity to change their opinions on the stand, with alternatives put to them by the defence. Someone gave baby F synthetic insulin in his original TPN bag, according to Professor Hindmarsh, and there's only two nurses who connected the original bag of TPN. Only one of those two nurses was present for all of these cases.

No one here is deciding anything, it's an ongoing discussion of the evidence. I was wondering what you made of the medical evidence and the mother of baby E's evidence, when you decided "I still suspect that LL is possibly being scapegoated for all manner of hospital failings. JMO MOO"

I also started out following this case believing that LL was being scapegoated.

Yep, I actually joined this website to follow the trial and my interest in it was mainly because I was of the opinion she was being scapegoated and blamed for hospital failings. Being part of the discussions for the past 5-6 weeks and listening to all the evidence so far, my opinion has changed. It may change again, I remain open minded.

 

[notsure]

I’ve seen plenty in this thread dismantle anything that would even point to LL being guilty, which strikes me as doing exactly the same thing the other way around.

It’s an emotional case and there’s plenty left to go. Striking a balance is difficult when emotions run high.

You're right - I guess assuming innocence is the opposite of assuming guilt.

 

[JosieJo]

I've never thought LL was being scapegoated ...in fact every time anyway mentions "hospital failings" I could scream ..because its not the hospitaI on trial ...and this hospital is pretty much the same as most NHS hospitals.. but I absolutely understand its a discussion thread and people have different opinions.
Having worked in the NHS 34 years I know this is not how scapegoating works in the NHS ...not in a million years would the hospital trust want every minute detail of their "dirty washing" in the news.
In fact I feel the hospital staff and the hospital are brave ...opening themselves up to criticism to ensure justice

 

[MachinaCollecta]

You're right - I guess assuming innocence is the opposite of assuming guilt.

I think it’s difficult to find that balance, I’ve struggled myself. I want to hear all of it before I make up my mind. Being a juror absolutely can’t be easy in this case.

 

[Tortoise]

short break?

https://twitter.com/MrDanDonoghue

We're back after a short break. A former nursing colleague of Ms Letby, who cannot be named for legal reasons, is continuing to give evidence. She's talking the jury through Child F's medical charts in the days after his birth