GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #8

[Left Thoughts]

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Court told that Child G was cannulated, behind a screen, and placed on a Masimo monitor - a portable device attached to the patient by a sensor that continually measures oxygen saturations and heart rate levels.

After the doctors had gone, but Child G was still screened, the nurse told the court that she heard Ms Letby shouting for help. She said she responded, Ms Letby was using neopuff on the infant - who 'did not look very well at all'

She noticed that the monitor screen was black and had been switched off.

The nurse said this was not normal procedure (for the monitor to be off)

The nurse however has told the court that she asked to review her original statement to police last month - as she said she had seen in the prosecution opening that there was a suggestion Ms Letby had turned the monitor off - she said 'I knew that not to be the case'

She tells the court that on 21 September two doctors came her to apologise, as they had left the screen in situ and not switched the monitor back on

That's certainly a win for the defence there, it wasn't Lucy who turned the monitor off. I wonder how the jury are weighing the evidence for baby G.

The cross examination of the consultants to me gives me little doubt that the poor baby was deliberately overfed. From the snippets we have, the questions from the defence and the responses from the consultant doctors actually really emphasised that point.

MOO.

 

[LadyEdgeworth]

https://twitter.com/MrDanDonoghue

Court told that Child G was cannulated, behind a screen, and placed on a Masimo monitor - a portable device attached to the patient by a sensor that continually measures oxygen saturations and heart rate levels.

After the doctors had gone, but Child G was still screened, the nurse told the court that she heard Ms Letby shouting for help. She said she responded, Ms Letby was using neopuff on the infant - who 'did not look very well at all'

She noticed that the monitor screen was black and had been switched off.

The nurse said this was not normal procedure (for the monitor to be off)

The nurse however has told the court that she asked to review her original statement to police last month - as she said she had seen in the prosecution opening that there was a suggestion Ms Letby had turned the monitor off - she said 'I knew that not to be the case'

She tells the court that on 21 September two doctors came her to apologise, as they had left the screen in situ and not switched the monitor back on

Good on the nurse for being honest. If they were scapegoating LL then it would be easy to not mention that and just let LL take the blame

 

[notsure]

Good on the nurse for being honest. If they were scapegoating LL then it would be easy to not mention that and just let LL take the blame

It's interesting that this nurse remembers that particular detail, which was presumably not documented, when most of the testimony so far has been based on notes from the time of the events covered by this trial.

 

[Tortoise]

That's certainly a win for the defence there, it wasn't Lucy who turned the monitor off. I wonder how the jury are weighing the evidence for baby G.

The cross examination of the consultants to me gives me little doubt that the poor baby was deliberately overfed. From the snippets we have, the questions from the defence and the responses from the consultant doctors actually really emphasised that point.

MOO.

I'll wait to hear from the doctor/s. Perhaps he took responsibility at the time because it was off, without suspecting anyone else would have touched it. Regardless, the monitor wouldn't have caused baby G's collapse.

Opening speech - "The consultant doctor said he "could not recall" if Child G's monitoring equipment was switched off during the cannula fitting, but "it is his practice to transfer the sensor from one limb to another or if temporary detachment is required to reattach the monitor as soon as possible."
He added if Child G was not stable he would not have left her."

Recap: Prosecution opens trial of Lucy Letby accused of Countess of Chester Hospital baby murders

 

[Dotta]

Good on the nurse for being honest. If they were scapegoating LL then it would be easy to not mention that and just let LL take the blame

I have a question.

So the monitor was off.

Isn't it a procedure to TURN it ON when attaching it to a patient?

 

[JosieJo]

Apart from feeling a bit foolish I do not think it's harmed the prosecution too much.
The prosecution could have gone down the road of ...LL took advantage of the monitor being left off to strike .. if they had been aware from the nurse earlier

 

[Tortoise]

It sounds like he would have judged she was stable, before leaving, from her monitor readings. But I'm no expert.

I'm keeping in mind that the evidence - at face value - seems to point to LL, by this time, really causing havoc with false note keeping, hiding information, and generally taking advantage of everyone, in so many ways. MOO

 

[ColourPurple]

https://twitter.com/MrDanDonoghue

Court told that Child G was cannulated, behind a screen, and placed on a Masimo monitor - a portable device attached to the patient by a sensor that continually measures oxygen saturations and heart rate levels.

After the doctors had gone, but Child G was still screened, the nurse told the court that she heard Ms Letby shouting for help. She said she responded, Ms Letby was using neopuff on the infant - who 'did not look very well at all'

She noticed that the monitor screen was black and had been switched off.

The nurse said this was not normal procedure (for the monitor to be off)

The nurse however has told the court that she asked to review her original statement to police last month - as she said she had seen in the prosecution opening that there was a suggestion Ms Letby had turned the monitor off - she said 'I knew that not to be the case'

She tells the court that on 21 September two doctors came her to apologise, as they had left the screen in situ and not switched the monitor back on

Ohhhhhh is that what LL meant when she said "I got her screened"? I thought she meant she got Baby G "screened" as in got her blood screened/tested to see what was wrong?

Did she actually mean she got her put behind a screen? ie they pulled hospital curtains/a screen around her so nobody could see her?

 

[Tortoise]

Mail Nurse Lucy Letby 'made two more attempts to murder baby girl'

Chester Standard Mother ‘told Lucy Letby she was pleased she was caring for baby girl’

"Following completion of her shift Letby messaged a colleague in the evening to say: “(Child G) poorly again.

“Due date today!”

Her colleague, who cannot be identified for legal reasons, responded: “Oh she likes to ‘celebrate’ the big ones in style (sadface).”

Letby replied: Due imms (immunisations) today too. I got her screened this morning after she vomited.”

Her colleague said: “Was she still in (nursery) 4 then?”

Letby said: “Yup and had NN (nursery nurse) all weekend … looked rubbish when I took over this morning, then she vomited at 9 and I got her screened.”

The colleague said “See. It really worries me. I wasn’t on when she was moved but wouldn’t have done it myself.”

Letby replied: “I personally felt it was a big jump considering how sick she was just a week ago. Being in 4 is bad enough and then having NN that just doesn’t always know what to look for/act on. Mum said she hasn’t been herself for a couple of days.”

The colleague said: “F***. I wish she’d told a registered nurse.”

Letby said: “It’s hard isn’t it. When mum came in today she was like oh I’m so pleased you’ve got her which I thought was a little strange as I don’t know her that well but wonder if she just felt reassured to have a nurse.”

 

[ColourPurple]

Mail Nurse Lucy Letby 'made two more attempts to murder baby girl'

Chester Standard Mother ‘told Lucy Letby she was pleased she was caring for baby girl’

"Following completion of her shift Letby messaged a colleague in the evening to say: “(Child G) poorly again.

“Due date today!”

Her colleague, who cannot be identified for legal reasons, responded: “Oh she likes to ‘celebrate’ the big ones in style (sadface).”

Letby replied: Due imms (immunisations) today too. I got her screened this morning after she vomited.”

Her colleague said: “Was she still in (nursery) 4 then?”

Letby said: “Yup and had NN (nursery nurse) all weekend … looked rubbish when I took over this morning, then she vomited at 9 and I got her screened.”

The colleague said “See. It really worries me. I wasn’t on when she was moved but wouldn’t have done it myself.”

Letby replied: “I personally felt it was a big jump considering how sick she was just a week ago. Being in 4 is bad enough and then having NN that just doesn’t always know what to look for/act on. Mum said she hasn’t been herself for a couple of days.”

The colleague said: “*advertiser censored**. I wish she’d told a registered nurse.”

Letby said: “It’s hard isn’t it. When mum came in today she was like oh I’m so pleased you’ve got her which I thought was a little strange as I don’t know her that well but wonder if she just felt reassured to have a nurse.”

"“Due date today!”

Her colleague, who cannot be identified for legal reasons, responded: “Oh she likes to ‘celebrate’ the big ones in style (sadface).

Letby replied: Due imms (immunisations) today too”


Is that LL's colleague picking up on the fact that the two days that Baby G had suddenly deteriorated were on big occasions, ie her 100 day birthday and on her due date(and immunisation date)? Interesting!


How many other deteriorations and deaths of other babies happened on significant days? I know a few happened on the day they were due to be transfered out of the hopsital.... was there one that was on father's day too ?

I'm also wondering, if guilty, whether the month of June has some particular significance to LL

 

[LadyEdgeworth]

Mail Nurse Lucy Letby 'made two more attempts to murder baby girl'

Chester Standard Mother ‘told Lucy Letby she was pleased she was caring for baby girl’

"Following completion of her shift Letby messaged a colleague in the evening to say: “(Child G) poorly again.

“Due date today!”

Her colleague, who cannot be identified for legal reasons, responded: “Oh she likes to ‘celebrate’ the big ones in style (sadface).”

Letby replied: Due imms (immunisations) today too. I got her screened this morning after she vomited.”

Her colleague said: “Was she still in (nursery) 4 then?”

Letby said: “Yup and had NN (nursery nurse) all weekend … looked rubbish when I took over this morning, then she vomited at 9 and I got her screened.”

The colleague said “See. It really worries me. I wasn’t on when she was moved but wouldn’t have done it myself.”

Letby replied: “I personally felt it was a big jump considering how sick she was just a week ago. Being in 4 is bad enough and then having NN that just doesn’t always know what to look for/act on. Mum said she hasn’t been herself for a couple of days.”

The colleague said: “*advertiser censored**. I wish she’d told a registered nurse.”

Letby said: “It’s hard isn’t it. When mum came in today she was like oh I’m so pleased you’ve got her which I thought was a little strange as I don’t know her that well but wonder if she just felt reassured to have a nurse.”

wonder if mum really said that… all of those texts are ‘I know better than anyone else, they’re so glad to have ME cause i’m so great’.

MOO

 

[notsure]

Mail Nurse Lucy Letby 'made two more attempts to murder baby girl'

Chester Standard Mother ‘told Lucy Letby she was pleased she was caring for baby girl’

"Following completion of her shift Letby messaged a colleague in the evening to say: “(Child G) poorly again.

“Due date today!”

Her colleague, who cannot be identified for legal reasons, responded: “Oh she likes to ‘celebrate’ the big ones in style (sadface).”

Letby replied: Due imms (immunisations) today too. I got her screened this morning after she vomited.”

Her colleague said: “Was she still in (nursery) 4 then?”

Letby said: “Yup and had NN (nursery nurse) all weekend … looked rubbish when I took over this morning, then she vomited at 9 and I got her screened.”

The colleague said “See. It really worries me. I wasn’t on when she was moved but wouldn’t have done it myself.”

Letby replied: “I personally felt it was a big jump considering how sick she was just a week ago. Being in 4 is bad enough and then having NN that just doesn’t always know what to look for/act on. Mum said she hasn’t been herself for a couple of days.”

The colleague said: “*advertiser censored**. I wish she’d told a registered nurse.”

Letby said: “It’s hard isn’t it. When mum came in today she was like oh I’m so pleased you’ve got her which I thought was a little strange as I don’t know her that well but wonder if she just felt reassured to have a nurse.”

'Letby said: “It’s hard isn’t it. When mum came in today she was like oh I’m so pleased you’ve got her which I thought was a little strange as I don’t know her that well but wonder if she just felt reassured to have a nurse.”'

Sounds like fishing for compliments.

 

[Tortoise]

Text messages sorted out between the two different articles, and I've added in some additional details about baby I for context, at the time of LL's October texts about baby G -

21 Sep 2015, Mon

8pm - End of LL's day shift

8.56pm -
LL’s text to a nurse: G poorly again
Nurse: asks what is wrong with her and expresses concern that G has been moved to nursery 4 so fast because it seemed too good to be true. She asks if G is septic again.
LL says G is vomiting, pale and apnoeic and has been cold for the past 24 hours. She adds “Due date today!”
Nurse: “Oh she likes to ‘celebrate’ the big ones in style ☹
LL: “Due imms today too. I got her screened this morning after she vomited.
Nurse: Was she still in 4 then?
LL: “Yup and had NN (nursery nurse) all weekend. Looked rubbish when I took over this morning then she vomited at 9 and I got her screened”
Nurse: “See. It really worries me. I wasn’t on when she was moved but wouldn’t have done it myself.”
LL: “I personally felt it was a big jump considering how sick she was just a week ago. Being in 4 is bad enough and then having NN that just doesn’t always know what to look for/act on. Mum said she hasn’t been herself for a couple of days.”
Nurse: “F ***. I wish she’d told a registered nurse.”
LL: “It’s hard isn’t it. When mum came in today she was like oh I’m so pleased you’ve got her which I thought was a little strange as I don’t know her that well, but wonder if she just felt reassured to have a nurse.”


22 Sep 2015, Tue

LL: “Did G behave?”
Nurse: “Yeah she did but was screaming for food”


14 Oct 2015, Wed

7am - Baby I collapsed and required CPR – 3rd alleged attempted murder (not charged but charged with murder)

I was transferred to Arrowe Park and recovered.


16 Oct 2015, Fri

LL: “Has anything been done about G vomiting?”
Nurse: G still vomiting but a bit less I think.”


17 Oct 2015, Sat

Baby I returned from Arrowe Park hospital.

 

[Tortoise]

'Letby said: “It’s hard isn’t it. When mum came in today she was like oh I’m so pleased you’ve got her which I thought was a little strange as I don’t know her that well but wonder if she just felt reassured to have a nurse.”'

Sounds like fishing for compliments.

like this earlier text

9 Aug 2015, Sun

10.17pm –
LL: I said goodbye to [E&F]'s parents as F might go tomorrow. They both cried and hugged me saying they will never be able to thank me for the love and care I gave to E and for the precious memories I've given them. It's heartbreaking.
Nurse: 'It’s heart-breaking, but you’ve done your job to the highest standard with compassion and professionalism. When we can’t save a baby we can try to make sure that the loss of their child is the one regret the parents have. It sounds like that’s exactly what you have done. You should feel very proud of yourself esp as you’ve done so well in such tough heartbreaking circumstances. Xx’
LL: 'I just feel sad that they’re thanking me when they have lost him and for something that any of us would have done. But it’s really nice to know that I got it right for them. That’s all I want.'
Nurse: ‘It has been tough. You’ve handled it all really well. They know everything possible was done and that no-one gave up on E till it was in his best interest. As a parent you want the best for your child and sometimes that isn’t what you’d choose. Doesn’t mean that your [sic] not grateful to those that helped your child and you tho.’
LL: ‘Thank you xx’

 

[notsure]

like this earlier text

9 Aug 2015, Sun

10.17pm –
LL: I said goodbye to [E&F]'s parents as F might go tomorrow. They both cried and hugged me saying they will never be able to thank me for the love and care I gave to E and for the precious memories I've given them. It's heartbreaking.
Nurse: 'It’s heart-breaking, but you’ve done your job to the highest standard with compassion and professionalism. When we can’t save a baby we can try to make sure that the loss of their child is the one regret the parents have. It sounds like that’s exactly what you have done. You should feel very proud of yourself esp as you’ve done so well in such tough heartbreaking circumstances. Xx’
LL: 'I just feel sad that they’re thanking me when they have lost him and for something that any of us would have done. But it’s really nice to know that I got it right for them. That’s all I want.'
Nurse: ‘It has been tough. You’ve handled it all really well. They know everything possible was done and that no-one gave up on E till it was in his best interest. As a parent you want the best for your child and sometimes that isn’t what you’d choose. Doesn’t mean that your [sic] not grateful to those that helped your child and you tho.’
LL: ‘Thank you xx’

Yes, I remembered that one too. Almost inviting colleagues to praise her.

 

[Tortoise]

Ohhhhhh is that what LL meant when she said "I got her screened"? I thought she meant she got Baby G "screened" as in got her blood screened/tested to see what was wrong?

Did she actually mean she got her put behind a screen? ie they pulled hospital curtains/a screen around her so nobody could see her?

I also thought she meant screened for infection. I think you're right she meant putting a curtain around her cot.

Wouldn't have thought a screen was that big of a deal but hey ho.

 

[ColourPurple]

I also thought she meant screened for infection. I think you're right she meant putting a curtain around her cot.

Wouldn't have thought a screen was that big of a deal but hey ho.

I think if LL had arranged for Baby G's blood be screened it wouldn't be much of a big deal. But if LL actually arranged for Baby G's cot to be put behind a privacy screen and then later Baby G collapsed whilst she was behind that privacy screen with LL, it's a different story.

 

[Tortoise]

"Lucy obviously was concerned and she was responding appropriately," [unnamed nurse] said.
The nurse said she noticed that the monitor had been switched off, which was "not normal protocol", but refuted any suggestion Ms Letby had turned it off.
"I read the prosecution opening speeches online and it suggested that Lucy had switched off the monitor," she told the court.
"I knew that not to be the case."
She explained that on that day, two doctors had apologised to her, as they had not switched the monitor back on."

Lucy Letby: Mum praised nurse on day of alleged murder attempt, jury told

 

[LadyEdgeworth]

like this earlier text

9 Aug 2015, Sun

10.17pm –
LL: I said goodbye to [E&F]'s parents as F might go tomorrow. They both cried and hugged me saying they will never be able to thank me for the love and care I gave to E and for the precious memories I've given them. It's heartbreaking.
Nurse: 'It’s heart-breaking, but you’ve done your job to the highest standard with compassion and professionalism. When we can’t save a baby we can try to make sure that the loss of their child is the one regret the parents have. It sounds like that’s exactly what you have done. You should feel very proud of yourself esp as you’ve done so well in such tough heartbreaking circumstances. Xx’
LL: 'I just feel sad that they’re thanking me when they have lost him and for something that any of us would have done. But it’s really nice to know that I got it right for them. That’s all I want.'
Nurse: ‘It has been tough. You’ve handled it all really well. They know everything possible was done and that no-one gave up on E till it was in his best interest. As a parent you want the best for your child and sometimes that isn’t what you’d choose. Doesn’t mean that your [sic] not grateful to those that helped your child and you tho.’
LL: ‘Thank you xx’

Re-reading this has really made me feel.. gross for want of a better word. If this is true, and they did say that, why on earth would you recount it in such great detail? They must have been absolutely heartbroken and if they’ve took a pause from their grief to thank the nursing staff I don’t understand why you’d tell a colleague as if she’s almost bragging?
Then again could be a big pack of lies, a woman I work with pulls crap like this. Someone holds a door open for her and it’s ‘ohh he fancies me’ or a customer leaves kind feedback and suddenly ‘they said I was sooooo helpful and amazing’. It’s like getting a dopamine hit of attention and adoration even if you’ve had to make it up yourself

all MOO of course

 

[Tortoise]

I think if LL had arranged for Baby G's blood be screened it wouldn't be much of a big deal. But if LL actually arranged for Baby G's cot to be put behind a privacy screen and then later Baby G collapsed whilst she was behind that privacy screen with LL, it's a different story.

Big deal in that sense but hardly worthy of relating to a colleague, twice, imo.