GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #8

[Dotta]

No pillows, I would think, in a neonatal cot.

Yes, you are right.
Just when I hear the word "smother" I automatically think of a pillow

 

[Tortoise]

21st Sept is the date LL looked up the parents of baby G on Facebook, then minutes later the mother of twins E&F, and again minutes later one of the other mothers - I think it must have been the mother of either baby C or baby D.

the charges for E&F refer to August 2015 - E died, F survived
the charges for C & D refer to June 2015 - both babies died

 

[LadyEdgeworth]

21st Sept is the date LL looked up the parents of baby G on Facebook, then minutes later the mother of twins E&F, and again minutes later one of the other mothers - I think it must have been the mother of either baby C or baby D.

the charges for E&F refer to August 2015 - E died, F survived
the charges for C & D refer to June 2015 - both babies died

What makes her group these babies together mentally to be thinking of them together, and searching for them in succession

 

[Dotta]

What makes her group these babies together mentally to be thinking of them together, and searching for them in succession

Fixation.

Alleged, of course, as it is only my opinion.

 

[Tortoise]

https://twitter.com/MrDanDonoghue

Nursing notes recorded by Ms Letby show that at around 10:20 on 21 September Child G had two projectile vomits and went apnoeic for a short period. She suffered brief self-resolving colour loss and her blood saturations fell to 30%

 

[Jazmania]

I agree but in the absence of knowing more I'm holding space for the notion that someone who doesn't follow instruction, goes 'off piste', thinks they know better, takes their own instruction, doesn't ask for help, doesn't refer to management guidelines, is delusional about their own knowledge and skills, is trying to appear perfect and getting it all wrong, is in denial about their lack (usually backed up with possibly unconscious profound feelings of shame and inferiority), might be the same sort of person who makes bizarre and disastrous decisions that leave a trail of destruction. No right minded person can relate as they think well 'I would never do that' and 'we've been trained not to do that'.

I've worked with people like that and I had an ex-friend like it, when you suss out what they're doing you can never unsee it but they really fly under the radar in many situations and circumstances. There's people all around them doing mop up jobs for the insanity they leave in their wake and yet no-one seems to confront them. It's mind-blowing. My ex-friend took her own life in the end. Nobody ever did confront her to the bitter end. But are those type of people doing it 'on purpose' in order to cause harm, no. Harm is not their end goal at all, it's collateral damage to the fake image. They're profoundly mentally unwell with denial, delusion, narcissistic problems.

Was LL really 'faking it' and absolutely terrible at her job but nobody called it until Dr J bravely spoke out like the little boy in the Emporers New Clothes?

JMO MOO

It's an interesting theory and idea and I can see that there are such people. If however it is proved beyond doubt that she injected babies with air, insulin and hugely excessive amounts of milk, then I think it taxes credibility to say she is doing this accidentally through incompetence. Such acts could only be done deliberately imo

 

[Tortoise]

https://twitter.com/MrDanDonoghue

Court being shown text messages between Ms Letby and a former colleague on the evening of 21 September. Ms Letby said Child G 'looked rubbish when I took over this morning then she vomited at 9 and I got her screened...mum said she hasn’t been herself for a couple of days'

 

[Sundial]

It's an interesting theory and idea and I can see that there are such people. If however it is proved beyond doubt that she injected babies with air, insulin and hugely excessive amounts of milk, then I think it taxes credibility to say she is doing this accidentally through incompetence. Such acts could only be done deliberately imo

From her messages to colleagues she doesn’t strike me as someone who might be doing this accidentally either.

Appears somewhat very well educated and giving diagnosis’s in those messages when no-one else was (that we have seen/read to date). For someone who is “more experienced” and taken more specialist training to be looking after the most sickest of babies amongst her colleagues, I just can’t see how she would fit with some kind of accidental incompetence here. The medical statements, conversations between colleagues and parents testimony is compelling imo.

 

[Sundial]

https://twitter.com/MrDanDonoghue

Court being shown text messages between Ms Letby and a former colleague on the evening of 21 September. Ms Letby said Child G 'looked rubbish when I took over this morning then she vomited at 9 and I got her screened...mum said she hasn’t been herself for a couple of days'

The part highlighted “I got her screened” I have been thinking about and waiting to hear more on this. Unless I’ve missed it, this doesn’t appear to be in the notes presented either?

 

[Tortoise]

The part highlighted “I got her screened” I have been thinking about and waiting to hear more on this. Unless I’ve missed it, this doesn’t appear to be in the notes presented either?

I doubt we're going to get that kind of detail from this reporter.

 

[Dotta]

From her messages to colleagues she doesn’t strike me as someone who might be doing this accidentally either.

Appears somewhat very well educated and giving diagnosis’s in those messages when no-one else was (that we have seen/read to date). For someone who is “more experienced” and taken more specialist training to be looking after the most sickest of babies amongst her colleagues, I just can’t see how she would fit with some kind of accidental incompetence here. The medical statements, conversations between colleagues and parents testimony is compelling imo.

Re her diagnosis in texts

Granted, Im not a medic, but to me they seem "all over the place"/logorrhea.

Really, what was only missing was "a meteorite from outer space".

They struck me as painful deflecting tactics from REAL causes.

Moo

 

[Tortoise]

https://twitter.com/MrDanDonoghue

A former nursing colleague of Ms Letby, who cannot be named for legal reasons, is now in the witness box. She is recalling the events of 21 September

 

[Tortoise]

Three tweets in one hour.

I'm surprised the BBC pays him for this quality of work. JMO

 

[LadyEdgeworth]

Three tweets in one hour.

I'm surprised the BBC pays him for this quality of work. JMO

I tweet more times an hour about Real Housewives ffs never mind one of the biggest trials I can think in recent times regarding the murder and attempted murder of babies by a nurse, I feel like banging my head against the wall with some of this coverage because we're working from scraps! At least the jury is hearing everything I guess. We'll have to do a whip-round and send one of us down to Chester to update the rest of us lol.

 

[Sundial]

Re her diagnosis in texts

Granted, Im not a medic, but to me they seem "all over the place"/logorrhea.

Really, what was only missing was "a meteorite from outer space".

They struck me as painful deflecting tactics from REAL causes.

Moo

They do seem to stand out much more in comparison to the conversation with others. It’s almost if she’s privvy to that information others weren’t. It’s quite a contrast imo one would wonder if she was then considering/applied for further training as junior consultant or something. She seems very precise or certain of herself. With this much *knowledge* I just can’t see how any of it would be accidental MOO

 

[Dotta]

We'll have to do a whip-round and send one of us down to Chester to update the rest of us lol.

I vote for our friend @Tortoise!!!

Please do NOT forget your notes when in Court - in case Prosecution forget something.

Nice and safe trip!!!

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Re her diagnosis in texts

Granted, Im not a medic, but to me they seem "all over the place"/logorrhea.

Really, what was only missing was "a meteorite from outer space".

They struck me as painful deflecting tactics from REAL causes.

Moo

Deflect, deny. Strong tactic of Narc personalities 'DARVO'. Plus the logic fails.

Possibly if she's an actual NPD, she lacks insight into cause and effect, action and consequence, and has a slippery set of defence mechanisms to maintain internal denial never mind external denial = zero accountability. Hence actual NPDs are delusional bordering on psychosis.

If so, she might have been seeking glory and power in bringing back from the brink sick babies but in actuality was killing them then going into her own denial strategies that means she herself doesn't even know that? JMO MOO

 

[notsure]

If the defendant proves to be guilty of the alleged offences, and so many allegedly committed over such a long period of time, then the hospital system as a whole must surely be questioning its processes, IMHO.

It's just not acceptable that murders can take place under everyone's noses just because the victims are hospital patients.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

If the defendant proves to be guilty of the alleged offences, and so many allegedly committed over such a long period of time, then the hospital system as a whole must surely be questioning its processes, IMHO.

It's just not acceptable that murders can take place under everyone's noses just because the victims are hospital patients.

Exactly this and it's what I've been saying the whole time. There is no good outcome for this hospital / the NHS and no matter which outcome we have, it's going to precipitate and avalanche of 'me too' stories from aggrieved and injured patients / parents and nurses telling all about the horrors of the NHS. In the UK we are about to see the collapse of the NHS anyway for political reasons IMO and this is just another nail in the coffin.

 

[Tortoise]

https://twitter.com/MrDanDonoghue

Court told that Child G was cannulated, behind a screen, and placed on a Masimo monitor - a portable device attached to the patient by a sensor that continually measures oxygen saturations and heart rate levels.

After the doctors had gone, but Child G was still screened, the nurse told the court that she heard Ms Letby shouting for help. She said she responded, Ms Letby was using neopuff on the infant - who 'did not look very well at all'

She noticed that the monitor screen was black and had been switched off.

The nurse said this was not normal procedure (for the monitor to be off)

The nurse however has told the court that she asked to review her original statement to police last month - as she said she had seen in the prosecution opening that there was a suggestion Ms Letby had turned the monitor off - she said 'I knew that not to be the case'

She tells the court that on 21 September two doctors came her to apologise, as they had left the screen in situ and not switched the monitor back on