GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #8

[Supernovae]

Does anyone know who labelled the picture with the black circles?

 

[Tortoise]

Strongest evidence yet imo. No credible explanation other than this baby was fed way more than 45mls of milk. And letby saying babies can suck in air whole vomiting? How stupid did she think the police were?

I suppose I should add it to the list of unusual things the graduate nurse said and did.

The fact she was trying to explain it away says much. IMO

 

[Dotta]

Lucy Letby 'used syringe to force milk and air into baby', court told

Neonatal nurse Lucy Letby used the plunger on the end of a syringe to force milk and air into one of the babies she allegedly tried to murder, a medical expert told a jury today.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

BBM

The job with the highest amount of psychopaths is CEO. One of my earlier examples, Russell Williams had 23 years in the air force and was extremely well regarded, respected and was trusted to fly Queen Elizabeth.

The one thing I learned during my degree was that the idea most serial killers are outwardly "crazy" or creepy is not true. Some people will work hard to get into careers which come with a lot of respect as they like the feeling of it.

True enough but again on this score LL is not ringing alarm bells for being a cut throat, competitive, 'go-getter' which is what goes hand in hand with the psychopathic traits. 'Successful' psychopaths like jobs with power and control where they can be dominant and have high levels of gratification, usually money but also the trimmings such as public adoration, influence, attracting sexual partners.

 

[Tortoise]

The Trial of Lucy Letby, Episode 9: Baby G, Part 1: “Just a little tiny thing” given just a 5% chance of survival at birth. But ‘she was a fighter.’

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The Trial of Lucy Letby, Episode 9: Baby G, Part 1: “Just a little tiny thing” given just a 5% chance of survival at birth. But ‘she was a fighter.’​

In this episode Caroline and Liz examine what happened to Baby G, the most premature baby in this case, who Lucy Letby allegedly tried to kill three times in a fortnight.

part of the podcast which I'm listening to right now

"the evening of September the 6th is significant for two reasons, firstly it was Lucy Letby's final night of a block of four night shifts and this was the first block of night shifts she'd worked since the alleged attack on baby F almost five weeks earlier, and secondly it was significant because September the 6th was baby G's 99th day of life..."

eta another two quotes -

"medical notes written by Lucy Letby later that morning also revealed that soon after she'd vomited another 45mls of milk plus a quantity of air was aspirated, or drawn out of her stomach. Dr Alison Ventress the registrar on duty came urgently to review baby G and she noted the large milky vomit"

"...they were still trying to stabilise baby G when Lucy Letby clocked off for the night and went home a little later than usual at around 10am."

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Strongest evidence yet imo. No credible explanation other than this baby was fed way more than 45mls of milk. And letby saying babies can suck in air whole vomiting? How stupid did she think the police were?

Maybe it is she who is stupid? Seriously. Maybe she's one of those types who is pretty gormless and makes tons of errors but doesn't stand out enough for anyone to notice until it's all gone horribly wrong. The whole 'standing there doing nothing' etc. Could it be fairly well masked incompetence, ignorance, error, and shoddy careless reckless workmanship?

 

[Dotta]

Maybe it is she who is stupid? Seriously. Maybe she's one of those types who is pretty gormless and makes tons of errors but doesn't stand out enough for anyone to notice until it's all gone horribly wrong. The whole 'standing there doing nothing' etc. Could it be fairly well masked incompetence, ignorance, error, and shoddy careless reckless workmanship?

Umm...
She graduated with honors.

Police dig up back garden and search gutters at home of neonatal nurse

Police officers are digging up land around Lucy Letby's home in Chester and searching gutters after she was arrested on suspicion of the murder of 8 babies at the Countess of Chester hospital.

www-dailymail-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org

 

[JosieJo]

This may have been covered and I missed it ..not sure.

Regarding Baby G
Am I right in thinking it's been stated they do not know who the designated nurse handed care of baby G over to, while she went on break.

LLs notes stated

"written in retrospect for care given from 2am to present. [Child G] had large projectile milky vomit at 2.15am. Continued to vomit++. 45mls of milk obtained from NG tube with air++. Abdoment noted to be distended and discoloured."

If LL took over care after Baby G vomited and became unwell..why write about care given from 2am then go on to say there was a vomit at 2.15am

JMO but I would expect the note to read something like...

Care taken over by myself following a large projectile vomit at 2.15am

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Umm...
She graduated with honors.

Police dig up back garden and search gutters at home of neonatal nurse

Police officers are digging up land around Lucy Letby's home in Chester and searching gutters after she was arrested on suspicion of the murder of 8 babies at the Countess of Chester hospital.

www-dailymail-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org

Yes but I’m trying to figure stuff out that people haven‘t raised so far and I wonder, regardless off her academic studies if at work she simply doesn’t perform, gets stuff badly wrong, makes poor calls, doesn’t listen, messes up, is clumsy, as opposed to being a cruel and heartless cold blooded killer.

 

[annpats]

I've been watching a lot of true crime stuff lately, and normally, when there is an unexplained death, it is intensively investigated to find out the cause. It's shocking to discover that this does not apply if the death occurs in a hospital. IMHO.

I don't think the NHS have the time, money or inclination to do a thorough investigation, if any. They may hold an 'inquiry' is pushed by media after a high-profile case, but other than that, they're not interested and budgets don't allow.

 

[annpats]

"Lucy Letby's explanation that babies can swallow a lot of air when they vomit."

Really?????

During retching the airway is protected.
I know this and I am NOT a nurse.

Moo

Exactly, because if they could swallow air, they technically could swallow their own vomit too.

 

[ColourPurple]

Just listening to the podcast. This bit is interesting . The first alleged attempted murder was on baby G's 100 day. birthday on 7th September. She was then transfered to the other hopsital.

On 16th September she returned to the Countess hospital. The 21st September was her original due date (to be born if she hadn't been born prematurely) and it's on that date, the 21st September, that LL is accused of trying to murder baby G another two times!

So the two dates of particular significance to Baby G and her parents in September are the two days that LL is accused of trying to murder her.

 

[ColourPurple]

Yes but I’m trying to figure stuff out that people haven‘t raised so far and I wonder, regardless off her academic studies if at work she simply doesn’t perform, gets stuff badly wrong, makes poor calls, doesn’t listen, messes up, is clumsy, as opposed to being a cruel and heartless cold blooded killer.

Accidentally or clumsily injects insulin into a TPN bag? Allegedly . Accidentlaly or clumsily injects air into a baby's stomach? Allegedly.

How would that work? Can you suggest a possible scenario where either of those things could happen?

 

[Tortoise]

I don't think the NHS have the time, money or inclination to do a thorough investigation, if any. They may hold an 'inquiry' is pushed by media after a high-profile case, but other than that, they're not interested and budgets don't allow.

The NHS did do an investigation into all the deaths, despite post mortems stating natural causes.

 

[Tortoise]

Accidentally or clumsily injects insulin into a TPN bag? Allegedly . Accidentlaly or clumsily injects air into a baby's stomach? Allegedly.

How would that work? Can you suggest a possible scenario where either of those things could happen?

I just read through the defence opening again, just to be sure. Accidents, stupidity and clumsiness isn't in there.

 

[Tortoise]

Does anyone know who labelled the picture with the black circles?

I've looked and can't find any reference to it. If I had to guess it would either have been part of the shift-leaders testimony, or what LL labelled on a photo herself during police interview. She would have to have been asked if she agreed with it or the defence would have had cause to object to it being used as evidence, IMO

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

The NHS did do an investigation into all the deaths, despite post mortems stating natural causes.

Hang on, PMs said ’natural causes’ ? On all the babies or just some?

 

[Sundial]

Umm...
She graduated with honors.

Police dig up back garden and search gutters at home of neonatal nurse

Police officers are digging up land around Lucy Letby's home in Chester and searching gutters after she was arrested on suspicion of the murder of 8 babies at the Countess of Chester hospital.

www-dailymail-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org

Todays evidence has been somewhat telling for me; but I wanted share a few things to consider about graduating with and without Hons (in the uk and from what I have experienced)- In part which is relevant to nursing.

Within university education there were those who asked in the final year if one set part was necessary to achieve the whole degree. It was advised that if students opted not to do the final independent research/study, they would still graduate, but would not achieve the “hons” status (this can have implications on future study such as postgrad/masters and so forth). Some chose to graduate without the hons, for personal reasons I guess, stress, time etc. some chose to take the qualification with hons. Both options still qualify.

Now onto nursing and why the previous posters comment could also be something to consider: I also know of someone who after graduation and qualifying (with hons) as a nurse, who actually didn’t complete a major part of the theory throughout the course; the actual writing, research and specific study of *what* nurses are expected to know.

Whilst ticking “boxes” on paper to qualify (whether with or without hons) and writing the right things, they should not have qualified as a nurse but did. Graduating with (or without) hons whether a nurse or any other profession, isn’t necessarily as black and white as people would think IMO. That’s not to say by any means this is the case here, but many years back, nurses weren’t degree assessed either and learnt on the job. Yet whether they graduated by degree or the degree didn’t exist when they did their training, can also mean absolutely nothing if they are absolutely shocking at their job. IMO

 

[mart321]

FB brigade seem to be clinging to the fact that Dr Evans said yesterday that a baby fed on a naso-gastric feed would not vomit. Quite a few popping up saying this is incorrect and their babies were still sick on this.

Not sure of the significance of this but it seems that he has got that wrong?

 

[JosieJo]

FB brigade seem to be clinging to the fact that Dr Evans said yesterday that a baby fed on a naso-gastric feed would not vomit. Quite a few popping up saying this is incorrect and their babies were still sick on this.

Not sure of the significance of this but it seems that he has got that wrong?

I saw these comments also ..I looked again at his comment and I think he is referring to they don't projectile vomit such as described
He goes on to say words to the effect..they don't vomit because the stomach is aspirated before the next feed.
I think he's referring to volume building up