GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 7 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 6 hung re attempted #32

[Stella123]

Theories then. About what would make her like this/do this. Initially I thought it was some kind of madness due to being in a secret relationship with a married man, obsession with his wife, lack of self esteem, wanting his attention. But as someone pointed out, she was already killing before he arrived at the hospital (unless she already knew him before?). Also what she did was so foul and extreme that it goes way beyond "bunny boiler" behaviour.

Reports say there was nothing unusual about her background. But I saw her Mother was a GP. That reminded me of the Doctor Foster programme. Dr Foster (a GP in the series) was very very busy working all the time, and caught up in her job, and not around so much for a growing child. GP's have very intense jobs, on call and work a lot. Presumably LL's Father also worked. Perhaps she was left to her own devices a lot and ended up in a little world of her own. Then also maybe the business of her feeling superior - her Mother was a Doctor, - she was "only" a nurse - maybe a chip on her shoulder at "not being good enough" (which I think one of her notes said). Why didn't she train to be a Doctor instead? Doctors often run in families - Mum or Dad was a Doctor, child trains to be a Doctor. Maybe she didn't make the grade academically. Maybe, despite her normal looking background, her parents were not so kind about her achievements, thought she was a bit of a dunce or something. Maybe she felt like a disappointment and had conflicted feelings of inadequacy and wanting to feel more powerful and important - like her Mother - the GP. Maybe she wanted to marry a Doctor - but he was unavailable and that also made her feel inadequate.

She didn't seem to break away from her parents as an adult either. Going on holiday with them regularly (not many over 18 year olds want to holiday with parents), they helped her buy a house. She didn't seem to have any adult relationships, it seems, until this alleged affair with the Doctor at the hospital. So she seemed a bit of a loner. A dark horse.

However none of this explains why she would turn to killing neonatal babies. Unless she had got pregnant and had an abortion secretly maybe, and had some kind of psychosis and couldn't handle working with all the babies (not making any excuses for her). And why would that need to be secret anyway? Girls do get pregnant and have abortions. Unless the married Doctor convinced her it couldn't happen and had to be secret or it could affect his children if it ever came out.

Someone earlier mentioned the two books by her bedside. 1) A Doctor's memoir about being dangerously ill after a miscarriage 2) A novel about a young woman who had an affair with a married man ("Never Greener" - I'm going to take a look at that!). Not exactly light or fun reading. An obsession with miscarriage, near death and affairs? Or secretly having gone through something like that herself.

Inside Lucy Letby’s bedroom where evil nurse red novels on bed with teddies

A CHILLING look inside Lucy Letby’s bedroom reveals the evil nurse read romance novels on her bed covered with teddy bears and wore a fluffy pink dressing gown. Letby, 33, was found guilty on…

www.thesun.co.uk

All JMO MOO. And still doesn't really explain, whatever her state of mind and upbringing, how someone could use their medical knowledge to cause harm. And how she seemed perfectly normal and happy to her friends.

Unless she was just born like that - as some people are - with psycopathic tendencies.

Another thing - why did it only start in 2015? Presumably it was when she first started working on a neonatal unit. And what happened between 2017 and it coming to trial? What did she do, what was her behaviour during this time? If she was addicted to killing and had been removed from the neonatal unit - how did she not have this urge diverted elsewhere?

 

[JosieJo]

Being serious for now, how exactly would that work? I'd rather not have a circus in court thanks.

Granted ..with difficulty...but by not giving them the option in the first place and making it mandatory there would likely be very few that required physical force.

But there are two guards and the defendant could be brought up first if a commotion possible

I doubt many would kick and scream

 

[Dotta]

Theories then. About what would make her like this/do this. Initially I thought it was some kind of madness due to being in a secret relationship with a married man, obsession with his wife, lack of self esteem, wanting his attention. But as someone pointed out, she was already killing before he arrived at the hospital (unless she already knew him before?). Also what she did was so foul and extreme that it goes way beyond "bunny boiler" behaviour.

Reports say there was nothing unusual about her background. But I saw her Mother was a GP. That reminded me of the Doctor Foster programme. Dr Foster (a GP in the series) was very very busy working all the time, and caught up in her job, and not around so much for a growing child. GP's have very intense jobs, on call and work a lot. Presumably LL's Father also worked. Perhaps she was left to her own devices a lot and ended up in a little world of her own. Then also maybe the business of her feeling superior - her Mother was a Doctor, - she was "only" a nurse - maybe a chip on her shoulder at "not being good enough" (which I think one of her notes said). Why didn't she train to be a Doctor instead? Doctors often run in families - Mum or Dad was a Doctor, child trains to be a Doctor. Maybe she didn't make the grade academically. Maybe, despite her normal looking background, her parents were not so kind about her achievements, thought she was a bit of a dunce or something. Maybe she felt like a disappointment and had conflicted feelings of inadequacy and wanting to feel more powerful and important - like her Mother - the GP. Maybe she wanted to marry a Doctor - but he was unavailable and that also made her feel inadequate.

She didn't seem to break away from her parents as an adult either. Going on holiday with them regularly (not many over 18 year olds want to holiday with parents), they helped her buy a house. She didn't seem to have any adult relationships, it seems, until this alleged affair with the Doctor at the hospital. So she seemed a bit of a loner. A dark horse.

However none of this explains why she would turn to killing neonatal babies. Unless she had got pregnant and had an abortion secretly maybe, and had some kind of psychosis and couldn't handle working with all the babies (not making any excuses for her). And why would that need to be secret anyway? Girls do get pregnant and have abortions. Unless the married Doctor convinced her it couldn't happen and had to be secret or it could affect his children if it ever came out.

Someone earlier mentioned the two books by her bedside. 1) A Doctor's memoir about being dangerously ill after a miscarriage 2) A novel about a young woman who had an affair with a married man ("Never Greener" - I'm going to take a look at that!). Not exactly light or fun reading. An obsession with miscarriage, near death and affairs? Or secretly having gone through something like that herself.

Inside Lucy Letby’s bedroom where evil nurse red novels on bed with teddies

A CHILLING look inside Lucy Letby’s bedroom reveals the evil nurse read romance novels on her bed covered with teddy bears and wore a fluffy pink dressing gown. Letby, 33, was found guilty on…

www.thesun.co.uk

All JMO MOO. And still doesn't really explain, whatever her state of mind and upbringing, how someone could use their medical knowledge to cause harm. And how she seemed perfectly normal and happy to her friends.

Unless she was just born like that - as some people are - with psycopathic tendencies.

Another thing - why did it only start in 2015? Presumably it was when she first started working on a neonatal unit. And what happened between 2017 and it coming to trial? What did she do, what was her behaviour during this time? If she was addicted to killing and had been removed from the neonatal unit - how did she not have this urge diverted elsewhere?

But her mother was NOT GP!!!

She was a clerk.

LL was the 1st member of family to go to University.

 

[esther43]

But I thought this matter was resolved.
It was Union repr. Tony
Not CEO.

Anyone thought about the practicalities of forcing someone up from a cell to hear their sentence?

Are you thinking tied and gagged?!!

 

[iamshadow21]

Reports say there was nothing unusual about her background. But I saw her Mother was a GP.

RSBM RBBM

Where did you get that from? Everything I've read has said that her mother was an accounts clerk and LL was the first in her family to go to university.

MOO

 

[LondonBloke]

Granted ..with difficulty...but by not giving them the option in the first place and making it mandatory there would likely be very few that required physical force.

But there are two guards and the defendant could be brought up first if a commotion possible

I doubt many would kick and scream

" but by not giving them the option in the first place and making it mandatory there would likely be very few that required physical force."

With the greatest of respect, in the great scheme of life, killing others is not mandatory either. Do you really think they give a damn at this stage?

 

[marynnu]

why did it only start in 2015? Presumably it was when she first started working on a neonatal unit.

She started on the unit Jan 2012.

Are you sure her mother was a GP? My understanding is that LL was the first person in her family to go to uni.

 

[Dotta]

RSBM RBBM

Where did you get that from? Everything I've read has said that her mother was an accounts clerk and LL was the first in her family to go to university.

MOO

Are you copying my homework???

 

[IDK]

Is it protocol for a newly convicted murderer to be placed on suicide watch?

 

[iamshadow21]

Are you copying my homework???

Nope, just not typing quite as fast as you! It is almost 5am here, you've got me at a disadvantage. (-.-)zzZ

 

[JosieJo]

" but by not giving them the option in the first place and making it mandatory there would likely be very few that required physical force."

With the greatest of respect, in the great scheme of life, killing others is not mandatory either. Do you really think they really give a damn at this stage?

I wouldn't like to try and guess what Child serial killers or any killer think or care about...all I know is my opinion it shouldn't be their choice in the same way as being locked up and prison routine is not their choice.
By taking that choice away may not necessarily mean that many would kick and scream about it.
Where a choice allows them not to see the process through and face their punishment In front of any victims who may want that

 

[LondonBloke]

Is it protocol for a newly convicted murderer to be placed on suicide watch?

Quite possibly!

 

[Sundial]

Theories then. About what would make her like this/do this. Initially I thought it was some kind of madness due to being in a secret relationship with a married man, obsession with his wife, lack of self esteem, wanting his attention. But as someone pointed out, she was already killing before he arrived at the hospital (unless she already knew him before?). Also what she did was so foul and extreme that it goes way beyond "bunny boiler" behaviour.

Reports say there was nothing unusual about her background. But I saw her Mother was a GP. That reminded me of the Doctor Foster programme. Dr Foster (a GP in the series) was very very busy working all the time, and caught up in her job, and not around so much for a growing child. GP's have very intense jobs, on call and work a lot. Presumably LL's Father also worked. Perhaps she was left to her own devices a lot and ended up in a little world of her own. Then also maybe the business of her feeling superior - her Mother was a Doctor, - she was "only" a nurse - maybe a chip on her shoulder at "not being good enough" (which I think one of her notes said). Why didn't she train to be a Doctor instead? Doctors often run in families - Mum or Dad was a Doctor, child trains to be a Doctor. Maybe she didn't make the grade academically. Maybe, despite her normal looking background, her parents were not so kind about her achievements, thought she was a bit of a dunce or something. Maybe she felt like a disappointment and had conflicted feelings of inadequacy and wanting to feel more powerful and important - like her Mother - the GP. Maybe she wanted to marry a Doctor - but he was unavailable and that also made her feel inadequate.

She didn't seem to break away from her parents as an adult either. Going on holiday with them regularly (not many over 18 year olds want to holiday with parents), they helped her buy a house. She didn't seem to have any adult relationships, it seems, until this alleged affair with the Doctor at the hospital. So she seemed a bit of a loner. A dark horse.

However none of this explains why she would turn to killing neonatal babies. Unless she had got pregnant and had an abortion secretly maybe, and had some kind of psychosis and couldn't handle working with all the babies (not making any excuses for her). And why would that need to be secret anyway? Girls do get pregnant and have abortions. Unless the married Doctor convinced her it couldn't happen and had to be secret or it could affect his children if it ever came out.

Someone earlier mentioned the two books by her bedside. 1) A Doctor's memoir about being dangerously ill after a miscarriage 2) A novel about a young woman who had an affair with a married man ("Never Greener" - I'm going to take a look at that!). Not exactly light or fun reading. An obsession with miscarriage, near death and affairs? Or secretly having gone through something like that herself.

Inside Lucy Letby’s bedroom where evil nurse red novels on bed with teddies

A CHILLING look inside Lucy Letby’s bedroom reveals the evil nurse read romance novels on her bed covered with teddy bears and wore a fluffy pink dressing gown. Letby, 33, was found guilty on…

www.thesun.co.uk

All JMO MOO. And still doesn't really explain, whatever her state of mind and upbringing, how someone could use their medical knowledge to cause harm. And how she seemed perfectly normal and happy to her friends.

Unless she was just born like that - as some people are - with psycopathic tendencies.

Another thing - why did it only start in 2015? Presumably it was when she first started working on a neonatal unit. And what happened between 2017 and it coming to trial? What did she do, what was her behaviour during this time? If she was addicted to killing and had been removed from the neonatal unit - how did she not have this urge diverted elsewhere?

I haven’t heard of her mother’s background, personally. I read recently from newspaper articles that her dad had/has/runs a radiator business and her mother was a clerk. However, your points are quite interesting because I’ve mentioned here before; how “doctor-ish” wannabe her messages were in comparison to that of her peers/colleagues messages.

If you read back through some of them; she gave a lot of medical terminology when the colleagues were discussing via text the possibilities of causes of babies poor health. I remember thinking then (and discussed it here too), how she struck me as someone who wanted or aspired to be a doctor some kind of junior medic. Granted she was applying/aspired for the advanced practioner role she was discussing with dr choc, and her friend mentioned on the panaroma documentary claimed LL always wanted to be a nurse, but for me her messages where so very strikingly ‘doctor’ all knowing in comparison to her nurse counterparts and that really stuck out for me.

 

[LondonBloke]

I wouldn't like to try and guess what Child serial killers or any killer think or care about...all I know is my opinion it shouldn't be their choice in the same way as being locked up and prison routine is not their choice.
By taking that choice away may not necessarily mean that many would kick and scream about it.
Where a choice allows them not to see the process through and face their punishment In front of any victims who may want that

As I said, practicalities.

 

[Stella123]

Right! Well that knocks that theory on the head then! I'll have to find where it said her Mother was a GP but as you all say, reports say she was a clerk.

 

[esther43]

I wouldn't like to try and guess what Child serial killers or any killer think or care about...all I know is my opinion it shouldn't be their choice in the same way as being locked up and prison routine is not their choice.
By taking that choice away may not necessarily mean that many would kick and scream about it.
Where a choice allows them not to see the process through and face their punishment In front of any victims who may want that

It's the last bit of control that Letby has left jmo

 

[JosieJo]

As I said, practicalities.

The same practicalities as forcing locked up prisoners to comply with anything.
Personally I would be more than happy to see a convicted serial killer carried into court with cuffs if required.

As I said...don't give them the choice and deal with it if it arrises if its too much and they have to be taken back down so be it....at least making it mandatory might make most people come up

 

[JosieJo]

It's the last bit of control that Letby has left jmo

Exactly...insulting

 

[LondonBloke]

The same practicalities as forcing locked up prisoners to comply with anything.
Personally I would be more than happy to see a convicted serial killer carried into court with cuffs if required.

As I said...don't give them the choice and deal with it if it arrises if its too much and they have to be taken back down so be it....at least making it mandatory might make most people come up

False dichotomy.

 

[Stella123]

I haven’t heard of her mother’s background, personally. I read recently from newspaper articles that her dad had/has/runs a radiator business and her mother was a clerk. However, your points are quite interesting because I’ve mentioned here before; how “doctor-ish” wannabe her messages were in comparison to that of her peers/colleagues messages.

If you read back through some of them; she gave a lot of medical terminology when the colleagues were discussing via text the possibilities of causes of babies poor health. I remember thinking then (and discussed it here too), how she struck me as someone who wanted or aspired to be a doctor some kind of junior medic. Granted she was applying/aspired for the advanced practioner role she was discussing with dr choc, and her friend mentioned on the panaroma documentary claimed LL always wanted to be a nurse, but for me her messages where so very strikingly ‘doctor’ all knowing in comparison to her nurse counterparts and that really stuck out for me.

Apologies. All the media reports say her Mother was a clerk. I'm not sure where I got that bit from about her Mother being a GP but wherever I read it, it stayed in my mind when I looked at a photo of her Mother. Maybe I misread something.

But yes in her police interviews they thought she was seeming to almost show off her medical knowledge in explaining things to the Police. Which is more narcissistic (delusions of grandeur).