GUILTY UK - PC Gordon Semple, 59, Southwark, London, 1 April 2016

  • #221
I think he's a skilled manipulator. He is trying very very hard to put on some charm and tears for the jurors and he is practiced at doing that with people. The tears started even when he was in the dock - it is all for his own sorry arse. I don't see it as genuine. IMO he is yet another dangerous sociopath/psychopath, who blames his victim, has no remorse for his victim, and who needs to be locked away for life.

He was completely blindsided by the cctv footage of him making lucid decisions about purchasing saw blades, acid, a metal grater and other tools.

I hope the jury doesn't fall for his act.
 
  • #222
I think he's a skilled manipulator. He is trying very very hard to put on some charm and tears for the jurors and he is practiced at doing that with people. The tears started even when he was in the dock - it is all for his own sorry arse. I don't see it as genuine. IMO he is yet another dangerous sociopath/psychopath, who blames his victim, has no remorse for his victim, and who needs to be locked away for life.

He was completely blindsided by the cctv footage of him making lucid decisions about purchasing saw blades, acid, a metal grater and other tools.

I hope the jury doesn't fall for his act.
Absolutely agree with you Tortoise, couldn't have said it better ...
 
  • #223
I also agree. I think he's a very dangerous nutcase. His face gives me the creeps.

BUT I will trust the jury which ever way they go, because they see and hear him directly. I trust they will follow their gut feeling.
 
  • #224
I think he's a skilled manipulator. He is trying very very hard to put on some charm and tears for the jurors and he is practiced at doing that with people. The tears started even when he was in the dock - it is all for his own sorry arse. I don't see it as genuine. IMO he is yet another dangerous sociopath/psychopath, who blames his victim, has no remorse for his victim, and who needs to be locked away for life.

He was completely blindsided by the cctv footage of him making lucid decisions about purchasing saw blades, acid, a metal grater and other tools.

I hope the jury doesn't fall for his act.

I do think it's odd to go from 0 to 9000 though. You'd have thought people would be coming forward left right and centre about weird experiences with him in the past.

But yes, I don't doubt his lucidity of action, I just wonder if he's acting in a state of panic or not. I mean, any reasonable person would suspect there would be CCTV etc. I am a bit at a loss why this has thrown him. Perhaps he's acted clearly and with criminal intent, but when you're in a true panicked state psychologically, your reason and understanding of consequence is thrown way off, which would make sense with not understanding the CCTV footage existing.

I'm not excusing him, by the way. I just wonder if it's not a horrendous crime committed in a panic after an initial accident or a crime that wasn't premeditated.

Surely a massive indulgence into killing him and then mutilating him in such a way would have been pre-planned and organised wayyyy better if that was the intent all along?

Sorry Tortoise, I've not seen his victim blaming - maybe that's where I'm not filled into the picture? I'll go back and look again.

Hmmm, I think perhaps I'm choosing to believe all this, as the alternative is so horrific. I think I'm just hanging on to the hope that we've not got another one of these $&!@#*s.

One minute I'm telling myself I'm an idiot for believing his rubbish, then I'm confused again.

But either way, he needs to be locked up for good. The poor victim deserves that.
 
  • #225
I do think it's odd to go from 0 to 9000 though. You'd have thought people would be coming forward left right and centre about weird experiences with him in the past.

But yes, I don't doubt his lucidity of action, I just wonder if he's acting in a state of panic or not. I mean, any reasonable person would suspect there would be CCTV etc. I am a bit at a loss why this has thrown him. Perhaps he's acted clearly and with criminal intent, but when you're in a true panicked state psychologically, your reason and understanding of consequence is thrown way off, which would make sense with not understanding the CCTV footage existing.

I'm not excusing him, by the way. I just wonder if it's not a horrendous crime committed in a panic after an initial accident or a crime that wasn't premeditated.

Surely a massive indulgence into killing him and then mutilating him in such a way would have been pre-planned and organised wayyyy better if that was the intent all along?

Sorry Tortoise, I've not seen his victim blaming - maybe that's where I'm not filled into the picture? I'll go back and look again.

Hmmm, I think perhaps I'm choosing to believe all this, as the alternative is so horrific. I think I'm just hanging on to the hope that we've not got another one of these $&!@#*s.

One minute I'm telling myself I'm an idiot for believing his rubbish, then I'm confused again.

But either way, he needs to be locked up for good. The poor victim deserves that.

We don't know his past. What do we know about him -

50 yr old
Loner (does he love?)
No friends or former partners (if they exist) have given evidence in defence of his character - he managed to mutilate GS's body in his flat for a week with no fear of friends or visitors popping by
Not living in the country of his birth - what did he leave behind?
Not able to hold down his job
No apparent wealth - not owning his flat, or a car, after having had a highly paid job & with no dependants - suggesting lack of goals & self-discipline
Drug addictions & dangerous behaviours
Disruptive at drugs anon meetings, breaking rules
Satanic worship - which goes to cruelty & hostility etc etc

Changing his story - evidence that it is fabricated. First he said it was Satan told him to kill, kill, kill. Did he think being under the influence of drugs would provide him with a defence? Now he claims it was an accident. The two are poles apart. Why would he not go with the 'no intent accident' version first, but choose the 'I intended it but I was being controlled by drugs' version? The thing is you can't go from claiming intent to claiming accident because the two versions bear no resemblance whatsoever, and you wouldn't invent intent where you had none. You would first of all say it was not intended, and if that didn't work and intent was proved then find a reason to claim diminished responsibility. Unless you thought at the time that the influence of drugs was a defence and later found out that it was not.

He had the presence of mind to answer the door to the other invitee and invent a story of illness. He also had the presence of mind to root through Gordon's belongings and discover he was a police officer. That doesn't sound to me like someone who is in a drugs stupor. His versions of what happened are conflicting. First it was Satan, then it was something to do with the leash slipping, and now it is he was sitting on his face and counting to 30 and not looking or being aware what happened. There is Gordon being restrained on the bed and not having his hands free to save himself, and Gordon hitting his own face on the bed legs (presumably before he was cuffed to the bed) to account for bruising and injury - only when asked.

I'm seeing lies and more lies, a story that is being made up and morphing, to account for what little evidence there is left. On top of a destruction of evidence to hide the extent of injuries. I think Gordon, being twice the size of this man, was restrained and could do nothing to save himself.

The bite mark on the ribs can't be refuted and neither can the DNA on the chopsticks. It doesn't prove murder but it shows he is lying to the jury.

As for victim blaming, his whole version now is that Gordon demanded everything that happened to him. He asked to have his life put in danger. Brizzi was scared and knew the danger but was just trying to please him. How is it not victim blaming?

And then there is the claim that he discovered afterwards that Gordon was a police officer. And something about him thinking the police were controlling Grindr. But when he was asked yesterday if he thought he was being trapped he said no. Where is the consistency in that? The changing stories make no sense. His skill is manipulation, and that is why I think you have doubts. He sobbed so loudly in the dock that the judge adjourned proceedings. That is manipulation. There was no need for that, people do not have to sob loudly, we learn as adults to cry quietly, he wanted to draw attention to the fact he was crying. I've seen more than enough to know that this guy is doing whatever he can to avoid responsibility for murdering Gordon, feels no remorse (remorse is defined by accepting responsibility) and is lying his pink y-fronts off. He ticks all the boxes for a lying sociopath.

Profile of the Sociopath -http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html
 
  • #226
  • #227
Frankie McCamley ‏@Frankie_Mack [video=twitter;793767031267028992]https://twitter.com/Frankie_Mack/status/793767031267028992[/video]
Prosecution asking #Brizzi why didnt tell police PC Semple's death was sex game gone wrong: "I followed my legal advisor to say no comment"
 
  • #228
Frankie McCamley ‏@Frankie_Mack [video=twitter;793767695636398080]https://twitter.com/Frankie_Mack/status/793767695636398080[/video]
Prosecution cross examination over. Defence now asking #Brizzi about the side affects of coming off Crystal Meth.
 
  • #229
Frankie McCamley ‏@Frankie_Mack [video=twitter;793772198657949696]https://twitter.com/Frankie_Mack/status/793772198657949696[/video]
Defence asks: Did you deliberately kill PC Gordon Semple? "No"Did you have any intention to cause him serious harm? "No" #Brizzi replies
 
  • #230
We don't know his past. What do we know about him -

50 yr old
Loner (does he love?)
No friends or former partners (if they exist) have given evidence in defence of his character - he managed to mutilate GS's body in his flat for a week with no fear of friends or visitors popping by
Not living in the country of his birth - what did he leave behind?
Not able to hold down his job
No apparent wealth - not owning his flat, or a car, after having had a highly paid job & with no dependants - suggesting lack of goals & self-discipline
Drug addictions & dangerous behaviours
Disruptive at drugs anon meetings, breaking rules
Satanic worship - which goes to cruelty & hostility etc etc

Changing his story - evidence that it is fabricated. First he said it was Satan told him to kill, kill, kill. Did he think being under the influence of drugs would provide him with a defence? Now he claims it was an accident. The two are poles apart. Why would he not go with the 'no intent accident' version first, but choose the 'I intended it but I was being controlled by drugs' version? The thing is you can't go from claiming intent to claiming accident because the two versions bear no resemblance whatsoever, and you wouldn't invent intent where you had none. You would first of all say it was not intended, and if that didn't work and intent was proved then find a reason to claim diminished responsibility. Unless you thought at the time that the influence of drugs was a defence and later found out that it was not.

He had the presence of mind to answer the door to the other invitee and invent a story of illness. He also had the presence of mind to root through Gordon's belongings and discover he was a police officer. That doesn't sound to me like someone who is in a drugs stupor. His versions of what happened are conflicting. First it was Satan, then it was something to do with the leash slipping, and now it is he was sitting on his face and counting to 30 and not looking or being aware what happened. There is Gordon being restrained on the bed and not having his hands free to save himself, and Gordon hitting his own face on the bed legs (presumably before he was cuffed to the bed) to account for bruising and injury - only when asked.

I'm seeing lies and more lies, a story that is being made up and morphing, to account for what little evidence there is left. On top of a destruction of evidence to hide the extent of injuries. I think Gordon, being twice the size of this man, was restrained and could do nothing to save himself.

The bite mark on the ribs can't be refuted and neither can the DNA on the chopsticks. It doesn't prove murder but it shows he is lying to the jury.

As for victim blaming, his whole version now is that Gordon demanded everything that happened to him. He asked to have his life put in danger. Brizzi was scared and knew the danger but was just trying to please him. How is it not victim blaming?

And then there is the claim that he discovered afterwards that Gordon was a police officer. And something about him thinking the police were controlling Grindr. But when he was asked yesterday if he thought he was being trapped he said no. Where is the consistency in that? The changing stories make no sense. His skill is manipulation, and that is why I think you have doubts. He sobbed so loudly in the dock that the judge adjourned proceedings. That is manipulation. There was no need for that, people do not have to sob loudly, we learn as adults to cry quietly, he wanted to draw attention to the fact he was crying. I've seen more than enough to know that this guy is doing whatever he can to avoid responsibility for murdering Gordon, feels no remorse (remorse is defined by accepting responsibility) and is lying his pink y-fronts off. He ticks all the boxes for a lying sociopath.

Profile of the Sociopath -http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

Great analysis Tortoise! I think you are spot on. I think he wants to confuse the jury in the hope of creating reasonable doubt.

Liars - when they suspect you are onto them they will try to confuse you, then blame you for being too stupid to "get it". I've seen it before.

Do we know when he came to the UK?
 
  • #231
Great analysis Tortoise! I think you are spot on. I think he wants to confuse the jury in the hope of creating reasonable doubt.

Liars - when they suspect you are onto them they will try to confuse you, then blame you for being too stupid to "get it". I've seen it before.

Do we know when he came to the UK?

I don't even think he wants to confuse the jury - he wants them to believe in him and his new story totally. But the problem for him is he didn't say no comment at the beginning, he gave a version. So all he's left with now is a new version and 'I am a nice guy, look see I cry and have real feelings'. He sees the jurors as prey also, and his goal is to get them to empathise with him.

I'll have a look back and see if there was anything about his history in the early reports.
 
  • #232
From the early pages of the thread -
He came to live in London in 2010.
He was a director of a company started up in 2010 which became insolvent in 2012. The directors all listed themselves as social workers but Brizzi is not on the list of registered social workers.
He lost his job at investment bank Morgan Stanley - not sure when
A poster did some research on him and discovered he had lived previously in USA and Italy
 
  • #233
Thank you Tortoise. I wonder whether he ever served time in the US or Italy. I don't know how to search for such records, if anyone else wants to have a look? Or can we safely assume that the media would have dug something up by now if he had a record in other countries?
 
  • #234
Thank you Tortoise. I wonder whether he ever served time in the US or Italy. I don't know how to search for such records, if anyone else wants to have a look? Or can we safely assume that the media would have dug something up by now if he had a record in other countries?

If he did, the stories will be suppressed until after the trial.
 
  • #235
  • #236
Trial (Part Heard) - Prosecution Closing Speech - 14:17
 
  • #237
Thanks for the summary, Tortoise :) I've swung back around on my opinion. Ha! I'm back to thinking he's just pure evil.

I just can't wrap my head around killing for killing's sake. I always want to see the whys. Sometimes there is no why...

Horrific. As has been mentioned a few times, I really hope Gordon's partner had an idea of his sex life outside of theirs. I can barely imagine how he will be coping, if not.


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  • #238
No really! I saw it in another forum once and googled it. Seems to be quite common.
 
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  • #240
Frankie McCamley ‏@Frankie_Mack [video=twitter;793902325958053893]https://twitter.com/Frankie_Mack/status/793902325958053893[/video]
Prosecutor: Stefano #Brizzi was "cunning & manipulative liar" who treated the body of PC Gordon Semple that "defies belief or understanding"
 

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