GUILTY UK - Phoenix Netts, 28, found in suitcase, Gloucestershire, 12 May 2020

[Mellowmelly]

I am curious, what is the reaction among residents of your city?

To be honest, I dont know, other than what's been reported in the media. And due to social distancing, no one is really speaking. I would imagine shock, horror and disgust.

 

[Mellowmelly]

DBM duplicate post.

 

[Chelly]

If it happened in her bed sit I do not think there would be a work bench.

I believe the murder took place in the rooming house, but the body was sawed up elsewhere. Just because the room looked like a slaughterhouse doesn't mean the dismembering took place there.

 

[Mellowmelly]

I believe the murder took place in the rooming house, but the body was sawed up elsewhere. Just because the room looked like a slaughterhouse doesn't mean the dismembering took place there.

Which makes me wonder, if the man bailed didnt help with the murder and dismemberment, who did ? I dont believe she did this alone, at least not using the saw and getting the body out of that room to wherever she was desecrated.

 

[Sarahlou]

Didn't someone reported the pair of them as they were acting suspiciously? I really don't think he was just the taxi driver. JMO

 

[mrazda71]

BBM.

Really? I think that's reaching a bit. We don't know anything about either of them.

No but I know a fair bit about womens refuges and the stories of the women in them

 

[Mellowmelly]

Didn't someone reported the pair of them as they were acting suspiciously? I really don't think he was just the taxi driver. JMO

He could have been just the taxi driver, if the Careeka Gordon had something over him ? Perhaps he was having an affair with Carreka and she threatened to tell his wife if he didnt help her ? Or maybe she had something else on him, knew of underhand dealings. I'm just speculating, but it's what I thinks likely.

 

[Sarahlou]

He could have been just the taxi driver, if the Careeka Gordon had something over him ? Perhaps he was having an affair with Carreka and she threatened to tell his wife if he didnt help her ? Or maybe she had something else on him, knew of underhand dealings. I'm just speculating, but it's what I thinks likely.

What I meant was I don't think he was just a taxi driver who had no idea what his passenger was carrying. I don't think he was involved in the murder. Why he would be helping her though is a puzzle.

 

[Mellowmelly]

What I meant was I don't think he was just a taxi driver who had no idea what his passenger was carrying. I don't think he was involved in the murder. Why he would be helping her though is a puzzle.

I agree, he must have known what was in the suitcases. I think he could have been a reluctant accomplice.

 

[chimpface]

No but I know a fair bit about womens refuges and the stories of the women in them

Likewise but I'll wait for some facts before I start calling the victim "volatile".

 

[Alyce]

The interesting thing in this case is that she has been deemed fit for trial, you would imagine someone who was capable of doing such horrific things would be suffering from some sort of mental illness and be detained under the Mental Health Act

At the moment, the Judge has just pencilled in a date. She may plead guilty at her PTP. Or, at that point, her defence team may ask for assessments and have her declared unfit for trial.

 

[Vern]

Could it be possible that he was unaware of exactly what she was up to?

Could she possibly have done a previous trip out via another cab/friend/her own vehicle etc to drop off the suitcases in the vicinity of the quarry in the woods a month or so ago? Could he have been oblivious to the suitcases' existence?

This would explain why no smell was detected at the residence.

In the article about the arrest, it states that the cab driver was arrested at one location and that she was arrested at another, near the quarry and that the suitcases were in her vicinity.

It also states that he had been hired numerous times by her to take her and her bike to the area; no mention of suitcases. Is it possible that she is slick enough to have hired him to take her to the area so that she "could enjoy a bike ride in the country-side" (during which time, she'd visit the suitcases and distribute body parts as she rode around) while he waited until she finished her bike-ride to then take her home. Possibly, blissfully unaware of what she was actually up to when "riding her bike".

I do think that him being seen cleaning the vehicle with wipes is probably a cab driver wiping down the seat and door handles etc with disinfectant wipes "between customers" due to the Covid-19 pandemic rather than an attempt to clean up a crime scene.

 

[astheworldfallsdown]

Could it be possible that he was unaware of exactly what she was up to?

Could she possibly have done a previous trip out via another cab/friend/her own vehicle etc to drop off the suitcases in the vicinity of the quarry in the woods a month or so ago? Could he have been oblivious to the suitcases' existence?

This would explain why no smell was detected at the residence.

In the article about the arrest, it states that the cab driver was arrested at one location and that she was arrested at another, near the quarry and that the suitcases were in her vicinity.

It also states that he had been hired numerous times by her to take her and her bike to the area; no mention of suitcases. Is it possible that she is slick enough to have hired him to take her to the area so that she "could enjoy a bike ride in the country-side" (during which time, she'd visit the suitcases and distribute body parts as she rode around) while he waited until she finished her bike-ride to then take her home. Possibly, blissfully unaware of what she was actually up to when "riding her bike".

I do think that him being seen cleaning the vehicle with wipes is probably a cab driver wiping down the seat and door handles etc with disinfectant wipes "between customers" due to the Covid-19 pandemic rather than an attempt to clean up a crime scene.

Could you possibly post that article please?

 

[HongKongPhooey]

I'm a woman with 3 daughters and I have handled more power tools in my time than a lot of men. And my one daughter nearly made the hotpoint man faint when she lifted down the tumble dryer off the top of the washer - he'd said he'd have to come back to fix the washer as it would need two men to lift ... and she's 5'4" and weighs 7stone.

In this case, you never know what you're capable of until you have to do it.

I don't think (at this point, with what we know so far) that Mahesh was involved with the murder, the dismemberment or knowingly providing a saw or knowingly transporting the remains.

I've used many taxis, not one has questioned me on my bag contents. One time my cat sharted in her carrier and driver said not one word ... just wound down his window.

In the Becky Watts case, the friends had reason to be suspicious, their mate was asking to hide boxes during his Step sisters missing person investigation!

You THINK you'd know, you THINK you'd smell it and instantly know it was a dead body, you THINK you'd instantly question your passenger on their suitcase contents but ... you never know!


Edited to add ... I'm not even condemning Gareeca YET.

2 vulnerable, volatile women, accustomed to extreme violence, in a refuge ... this could've been self defense and panicked cover up. It could be anything ... I'm looking forward to hearing the full story.

Sharted?

 

[dotr]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11663018/aunt-woman-chopped-in-half-forest-of-dean/
Phoenix was described as a sweet natured and clever girl by her auntCredit: Enterprise News and Pictures

'''SHE WAS LOVELY'
Neighbour Wahidur Rahman, 50, said: "Phoenix was a really nice young girl. She was lovely.

"We didn't know her well - all the women in the refuge kept themselves to themselves. They were all vulnerable in a way.

"But she would always say hello and ask 'how are you?'.

"It's so shocking that she's been killed and then cut up.

"I thought something might have happened to her because I hadn't seen her in a while.

"The forensics have been in her bedroom for a few days now and today they blacked out the windows.

"They've been taking away bags of belongings.

"I'm just in shock, really. She was a pretty young girl.

"I'm just devastated for her family."

 

[Vern]

Could you possibly post that article please?

I'll go back through the thread and find it. Back shortly.

 

[Lucy6226]

I imagine it wouldn't be that uncommon to see women coming and going with suitcases, being a temporary accommodation for vulnerable women. So a taxi driver or someone giving a woman a lift from there wouldn't necessarily question the cases... especially if the woman loaded them into the boot herself. The driver probably had a mask on, which has been my experience during lockdown

 

[Vern]

Could you possibly post that article please?

Down at the bottom of this article statess that during her video-appearance her attorney spoke to how they were located separately:
Torso found sawed in half could be woman living in a refuge | Daily Mail Online

Appearing via video-link, Gordon spoke only to confirm her name, address, date of birth and nationality at a hearing on Saturday at Cheltenham Magistrates’ Court. Kathryn Jones, prosecuting, said the accused ‘was found near a quarry while [Sorathiya] was located up the road and the suitcases were located nearby’.

Here's one with investigators checking out the bicycle at the house, but I'm still looking for the article that I saw (or dreamed it!!??) that he transported her and her bike out there ...
Woman whose severed body was found in suitcases in Forest of Dean is pictured

The crime scene investigators were also seen checking wheelie-bins, a bicycle and the back garden of the house.

A trial date has been set for November following a hearing at the Bristol Crown Court earlier this morning, at which neither of the two defendants appeared.
"The background to this case are allegations of the most appalling type," the judge said.

"However, this applicant's (Sorathiya) alleged involvement in these appalling alleged events relates to his transporting of the defendant Gordon to the place where she was stopped and they were arrested.

"There is no suggestion that he was involved in the alleged offence of murder itself."

 

[carbuff]

Maybe I'm a bit naive, but I can't imagine a female using a saw to dismember a body (or anyone for that matter!), seems more like a male thing to do (hope that's not being sexist!).
Would a female have the strength to do it? Physically?

This is really gross, but-- if the body was lying on the floor, the saw wouldn't really have to be lifted. You'd just need to push a bit.

 

[Al Ka]

Maybe I'm a bit naive, but I can't imagine a female using a saw to dismember a body (or anyone for that matter!), seems more like a male thing to do (hope that's not being sexist!).
Would a female have the strength to do it? Physically?

As I am one who follows cases of dismemberment for years (as it takes special evil to do that), I can tell you that quite a big part of those are actually done by women. I was quite surprised as you when I came to that realization for the first time.

In almost all the female cases it is done due to logistical reasons - dead body being dead heavy. Women having problems to even lift it, hence opting for this brutal option.

Another reason - disposal without being seen - reason why lots of dismemberment cases happens in big cities - New York City is flooded with those cases, Chicago, London.

In New York few years back land lady dismembered her female tenant - they quarrelled about rent. Body parts of her were discovered in different parts of Long Island, even on park lawn.

Other reason - mostly criminals, gangs and husbands do it to prevent identification

Recently another bizarre case, woman who was herself missing person for decades dismembered hairdresser in Florida. Murderer Kimberly Kessler used over 16 different aliases over the years and moved from state to state. Who knows how many other victims of her are out there. Her victim, Joleen, has not been found yet.

I also have to mention serial killer Ed Kemper, though he is not female. His dismemberment of his mum had absolutely nothing to do with any of the above mentioned reasons, his reason was pure hatred towards her.

What I have to mention are Techniques of dismemberment
- most usual are cases of missing hands and feet
- than whole arms and whole legs plus decapitation - leaving only torso
- last and rare are cases when someone does try to dismember through torso (so this case is definitelly in rare category. Only one other such a case which springs to mind was dismemberment of young Swedish nanny, Karina Holmer, on East Coast of America. She was chopped in half through torso, her bottom half of body never found. Case is still unsolved.

It takes special kind of evil not just to murder but to do this to another human being afterwords. Calculated and planned, those killers would do anything just to avoid being caught.