GUILTY UK - Phoenix Netts, 28, found in suitcase, Gloucestershire, 12 May 2020

[Al Ka]

Edited to add ... I'm not even condemning Gareeca YET.

2 vulnerable, volatile women, accustomed to extreme violence, in a refuge ... this could've been self defense and panicked cover up. It could be anything ... I'm looking forward to hearing the full story.

Respectuflly snipped by me.

While I do want to hear full story but ohh, I do condemn her. Zero sympathy. There is always a choice.

She made a choice with consequences of murder and than made another calculated choice and plan for Phoenix Johanna's body to be never found. I would personally throw away the key forever.

 

[Alyce]

This is an article published late last night, more detail at the link, but @Vern this is stating the info you posted earlier, re MS being paid to take GG to the forest several times.

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Yesterday Bristol Crown Court heard that Sorathiya was paid to drive Gordon from a women's refuge in Birmingham to the Forest of Dean four times between April 24 and May 12.

Eugene Hickey, defending, said Sorathiya, a father of two, had no idea of the contents of the suitcases in the back seat, adding: 'His account is that he was on Gumtree as a driver and handyman. On a few occasions he has done journeys where he has been paid by [Gordon] to take her to the Forest of Dean.'

Aunt of woman whose body was 'sawn in half' and put in suitcase shares her horror at the death | Daily Mail Online

 

[Alyce]

James Ward QC, prosecuting, said: 'He was the driver, admittedly, of a Vauxhall Zafira in which the body parts were contained and he says he had no knowledge of the parts.

'The police were involved in the first place in stopping his car because of the Covid-19 regulations... The police said in their evidence the smell from the suitcases was obvious.

'When they opened the suitcases, the police said it smelled of barbecue and the smell was sickening from the decomposition.'

Aunt of woman whose body was 'sawn in half' and put in suitcase shares her horror at the death | Daily Mail Online

 

[chimpface]

I guess he could claim plausible deniability?

 

[Skigh]

Revealed: Tragic past of 'torso in the woods' victim who dropped out of university before being killed and sawn in half at homeless refuge 'in row over drugs' - as woman who lived in room next door is charged with her murder
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...o-woods-victim-dropped-university-killed.html

 

[Sarahlou]

A homeless woman who was sawn in half at a refuge had ended her dream of becoming a paramedic after dropping out of university and falling into drugs, it can today be revealed by MailOnline.


Phoenix Netts, whose charred and dismembered body was found in suitcases dumped in a Gloucestershire forest, is believed to have been killed in a row over drugs at the hostel where she had been living for a number of months.

Suspect Gareeca Gordon, 27, who was charged with Phoenix's murder last week, lived in the room next door at the seven-bed house in multiple occupation (HMO) in the Lozells area of Birmingham.

Phoenix's former boyfriend, speaking exclusively to MailOnline, said the 28-year-old was ‘always vulnerable and easy to exploit’ after her troubled youth, when she was raped by a drug dealer, and believed it was her fragility that led her to a refuge.

Tragic past of 'torso in the woods' victim who dropped out of university before being killed | Daily Mail Online

Edit- didn't see the post above mine, posted at same time

 

[astheworldfallsdown]

Tragic past of 'torso in the woods' victim who dropped out of university before being killed | Daily Mail Online

Poor poor girl, how tragic she ended up in such a situation.

 

[Cherwell]

This is an article published late last night, more detail at the link, but @Vern this is stating the info you posted earlier, re MS being paid to take GG to the forest several times.

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Yesterday Bristol Crown Court heard that Sorathiya was paid to drive Gordon from a women's refuge in Birmingham to the Forest of Dean four times between April 24 and May 12.
......................'The police were involved in the first place in stopping his car because of the Covid-19 regulations... The police said in their evidence the smell from the suitcases was obvious.
'When they opened the suitcases, the police said it smelled of barbecue and the smell was sickening from the decomposition.'

Presumably on the earlier trips any smells would have been less noticeable.

 

[Officer Dibble]

James Ward QC, prosecuting, said: 'He was the driver, admittedly, of a Vauxhall Zafira in which the body parts were contained and he says he had no knowledge of the parts.

'The police were involved in the first place in stopping his car because of the Covid-19 regulations... The police said in their evidence the smell from the suitcases was obvious.

'When they opened the suitcases, the police said it smelled of barbecue and the smell was sickening from the decomposition.'

Aunt of woman whose body was 'sawn in half' and put in suitcase shares her horror at the death | Daily Mail Online

If he genuinely didn't know then can you imagine his revulsion now? However I find it hard to believe he didn't question what was going on. RIP young lady.

 

[Cherwell]

If he genuinely didn't know then can you imagine his revulsion now? However I find it hard to believe he didn't question what was going on. RIP young lady.

Disposal of human body parts wouldn't be the first thing that sprang to mind though, surely.
He might have suspected something dodgy, but probably not that.

 

[Lucy6226]

Presumably on the earlier trips any smells would have been less noticeable.

Especially if she took the suitcases to the forest on the first journey, left them there and then went back to try and dispose of the body further, where wouldn't be seen or heard

 

[Cardgame]

1. surely one of the perps knows the Forest of Dean, otherwise why choose it?

2. how many suitcases does it take? so many that you can't make one trip?

3. You've got a car at your disposal and you've managed to dismember a body. You've got some suitcases. It's a lockdown and you're not allowed to travel. Why risk more than one trip if the only purpose is to dump the body?

4. Even if you make more than one trip, surely it's (1) reconnaissance and (2) dumping the body. Why make more trips than that?

 

[Cardgame]

Especially if she took the suitcases to the forest on the first journey, left them there and then went back to try and dispose of the body further, where wouldn't be seen or heard

I mean, obviously the plan was a bad plan because they got caught. But this plan just seems so bad. Your best chance is decomposition, hot sunny days, DNA evidence destroyed... why go back and risk getting caught if the body is already in the forest?

Also, couldn't she have claimed her DNA was on the body because they were neighbours?

 

[Skigh]

I agree about it being a bad plan and also wonder why the Forest of Dean rather than somewhere more local or putting the suitcases in a lake or river.

 

[gemini20]

Unless maybe the first few times she was scoping the area, digging maybe? Trying to make it less suspicious that she wanted to get a lift so far away because it was multiple times not just that one time? That still doesn’t explain how she got the suitcase there without the driver knowing something weird was going on though.

 

[Chelly]

This is really gross, but-- if the body was lying on the floor, the saw wouldn't really have to be lifted. You'd just need to push a bit.

There has been no reporting that the dismemberment took place in the room of the accused, even though the scene was reported as bloody. If you have been reading closely, you can glean this from the links upthread.

Most likely the body was removed to another location, dismembered, burned and then put into the suitcases.

 

[Chelly]

On this subject of murder and dismemberment, who was it that recommended upthread the book "Murder of the Century" by Paul Collins? I want to thank you.

I am reading the book on Kindle and it is excellent. Impressive research and superb writing.

 

[carbuff]

There has been no reporting that the dismemberment took place in the room of the accused, even though the scene was reported as bloody. If you have been reading closely, you can glean this from the links upthread.

Most likely the body was removed to another location, dismembered, burned and then put into the suitcases.

I wasn't suggesting anything about location, merely addressing the question of how hard it would be to manage the task with a handheld circular saw. I have no theories as to where that might have happened.

 

[Chelly]

I wasn't suggesting anything about location, merely addressing the question of how hard it would be to manage the task with a handheld circular saw. I have no theories as to where that might have happened.

OK, thanks for clarifying. I agree. The body could have been laying on ground, workbench, almost anywhere if a handheld circular saw was used. For some reason, I have the sense the body was on a workbench, in a location that could be a tool shop of sorts.

 

[carbuff]

OK, thanks for clarifying. I agree. The body could have been laying on ground, workbench, almost anywhere if a handheld circular saw was used. For some reason, I have the sense the body was on a workbench, in a location that could be a tool shop of sorts.

That would certainly work.

It's such a bizarre case. Possibly the weirdest one I've read about.