• #101
I suppose
being in a position of trust and responsibility
might count as an aggravating factor
IF found guilty.

We must remember the trial is STILL in process.

JMO
Yes, but I believe it’s a foregone conclusion. The only thing I think may still be in doubt is Varley’s partner’s culpability. He needs to be held accountable, because he had a duty to protect Preston, which he didn’t do, but IIRC, he also participated in the abuse. So should he get the same sentence Varley does? What do you all think?

MOO
 
  • #102
Yes, but I believe it’s a foregone conclusion. The only thing I think may still be in doubt is Varley’s partner’s culpability. He needs to be held accountable, because he had a duty to protect Preston, which he didn’t do, but IIRC, he also participated in the abuse. So should he get the same sentence Varley does? What do you all think?

MOO

Sub Judice!!!!!!

We don't want to have the thread 🔒

Right? 🤔
 
  • #103

"The 28-second clip was sent by Varley to his mother, Karen Graham, on April 10
– a week after Preston went to live with him and his boyfriend, John McGowan-Fazakerley, 32.

It was released by police after being shown to the jury on the fourth day of the couple's trial.

Today
jurors were told that arguments, raised voices and an 'unusual amount' of 'high-pitched and distressed' crying
was heard by neighbours who lived next door to the couple, in Blackpool, Lancashire,
in the weeks before his death."

:(

Video in the link
 
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  • #104
Audio of the 999 call where Varley can be heard telling McGowan to 'put it down' has been released.

Some chat logs of messages between Varley and a friend have also been released.
Very rare for courts to release any evidence whilst trial is live
 
  • #105
It's only SJ if the evidence hasn't been heard in court, anything that has been said or shown in court can be discussed
 
  • #106
It certainly is a highly regarded and respected profession. I would love to get a look at his work history to see if it ever raised any red flags prior to Preston coming to live there. JMO
He was also part of the safeguarding at the school he worked at, he had to have specialised training to hold that position as he would have been taught how to recognise signs of abuse in the pupils in the school, which adds to my theory that he knew what to say and how to say it to allay suspicion when he took Preston to hospital, but the flip side of that is the social workers, Drs, nurses also should have been trained to spot signs of abuse, and should have investigated properly
 
  • #107
It's only SJ if the evidence hasn't been heard in court, anything that has been said or shown in court can be discussed
Thank you Joe.
 
  • #108
If the media is reporting it then it is fair comment, SJ means under the judge, or under judgement, good old Latin, which is supposed to not prejudice a jury pre trial, and during trial, but the courts have realised that the media will be reporting so they try to ensure that they are responsible in what and how they report on a case, it is a free for all IMO, the media has hung drawn and quartered many. a defendant before the opening remarks, but they will slap a journalist or publication down if they feel they have gone too far

The judge lets the media know if any evidence, witness etc still lies with the SJ principles and they won't be allowed to report it
 
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  • #109
It's only SJ if the evidence hasn't been heard in court, anything that has been said or shown in court can be discussed

Thanks!

Ooops
This SJ is so tricky!
Never heard of it in my country!
Maybe I'm too cautious ;)

But I understand
we cannot decide if the defendant is Guilty.
It is Jury's task.

Right? 🤔

JMO
 
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  • #110
Yes, but I believe it’s a foregone conclusion. The only thing I think may still be in doubt is Varley’s partner’s culpability. He needs to be held accountable, because he had a duty to protect Preston, which he didn’t do, but IIRC, he also participated in the abuse. So should he get the same sentence Varley does? What do you all think?

MOO

I believe he was aware of the abuse happening to Preston in his absence. The police had enough evidence to charge the partner with joint sexual abuse on at least one occasion.
I wonder about the zoomed in photos on the partners phone of Prestons bruises on his head. Because he was concerned for Prestons safety or to prove that the injuries were caused whilst he was absent? To protect himself?

MOO
 
  • #111
Thanks!

Ooops
This SJ is so tricky!
Never heard of it in my country!
Maybe I'm too cautious ;)
I think it's a fantastic principle, all defendants should be tried on the facts presented in court, but most cases get sensationalised such as LL and it's very hard to make the media behave in many ways, we just have to hope the jury adheres to the rules and relies solely on the evidence in court not what sensationalised stories are in the media
 

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