UK - Prince Andrew accused of underage sexual relationship, 1999-2002 *settled* #2

[Legally Bland]

Are the Democrats also demanding that Clinton, Trump and so many other associates of Maxwell and Epstein answer questions about links to the disgraced financier, or are they only interested in Andrew?

Has Clinton voluntarily testified before Congress? What about the others who are part of Epstein's birthday book? Why not go after the people who are US citizens first?

Why are they only interested in Andrew unless this is a media led anti Monarchist witch-hunt?

There were many very wealthy/powerful Americans who ‘should’ step forward first in my opinion.

Ask your home grown degenerates before crossing the pond to bring down the Monarchy.

MOO

There will be completely innocent people mentioned in the Epstein files, I think it's prudent to go after those who have accusations against them first. Hopefully a subpoena will be arriving on Dershowitz's doorstep soon.

Baying for his blood even though he’s never been charged with a crime.

He is a known liar, so are thousands more. Is lying now a crime?

VG was of legal age, IF he was involved with her in Britain.

She also accepted a generous remuneration for her ‘time’. (Not referring to the settlement from the Queen)

If this is Justice, God help us all.

BBM. VG would have been a 17 year old sex trafficking victim 'involved' with a 41 year old prince, visiting a foreign country with a middle aged couple who aren't her parents or guardians. Does this sound like consensual 'involvement' to you? Really?

Are you taking into consideration positions of power, inducements, age and maturity of the respective 'involvers' with regards to consent?

And that's not even touching on the New York or USVI allegations which are corroborated by witnesses and flight records. Where sex trafficking laws had been enacted, and at 17 VG would be regarded as a minor under those laws.

 

[Dotta]

"Personalised registration plate
for former Duke of York Andrew
is now out of date.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1984934253042290929

DVLA records show
that two licence plates with the initials DOY
which had been used by the disgraced ex-Duke are no longer registered."

 

[Izzylizzy]

“I would think the Queen had a hand in that,” the source told People of the concluding paragraph of the statement. “There would have been a push from Camilla and Catherine, and there was pressure from William, who would not want to inherit the headache.”

“It was quite strong, and I was quite proud when I heard it,” they added.

Queen Camilla has been a staunch supporter of organizations helping victims of domestic abuse, assault, and rape.'

Kate Middleton was instrumental in stripping Prince Andrew of his titles: source

The disgraced royal did not object to the King’s decision.

nypost.com

 

[otto]

There will be completely innocent people mentioned in the Epstein files, I think it's prudent to go after those who have accusations against them first. Hopefully a subpoena will be arriving on Dershowitz's doorstep soon.

I assumed that this line referred to Dershowitz. Giuffre released his name alleging that he is a pedophile. If this paragraph relates to Dershowitz, that means her retraction was not sufficient to undo the damage.

"She also filed, and in at least some cases settled, lawsuits against Epstein and others connected to him. In one case, she dropped her claims against a prominent U.S. attorney, saying she might have erred in identifying him as one of the men to whom Epstein supplied her."

Virginia Giuffre, plaintiff in Epstein and Prince Andrew sex trafficking case, dies at 41

The American-born Giuffre, who lived in Australia for years, became an advocate for sex trafficking survivors after emerging as a central figure in Epstein's prolonged downfall.

www.pbs.org

 

[tedtink]

Just a straightforward shooting weekend................

'Sex drugs' at party Andrew held for Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell

Drugs to enhance sexual experiences were found at Sandringham after Andrew partied with paedophile Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, a book has claimed.

www.dailymail.co.uk

"Drugs to enhance sexual experiences were found at Sandringham after Andrew hosted a party for paedophile Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, according to a new book.

Bathrooms at the Royal property were littered with condoms, lubricants and drugs called poppers after the event which Andrew later dismissed as 'a straightforward shooting weekend'.

The party, thrown to mark Ghislaine Maxwell's 39th birthday in 2000, featured in disgraced Andrew's 2019 Newsnight interview with Emily Maitlis."

 

[scapa]

Are the Democrats also demanding that Clinton, Trump and so many other associates of Maxwell and Epstein answer questions about links to the disgraced financier, or are they only interested in Andrew?

Has Clinton voluntarily testified before Congress? What about the others who are part of Epstein's birthday book? Why not go after the people who are US citizens first?

As an unabashed anti-monarchist, I tend to agree here.

This may change once Adelita Grijalva, new congresswoman from AZ, is finally seated and able to sign the resolution to release the JE files "in full."

Former PA, now common as muck AMW, is an obvious and just target, but can't help feeling that he's also a welcome distraction for some.

I do think that even if things settle down for a bit now -- and the rags and broadsheets alike have the bit between their teeth, so not counting on it -- William is likely to be far more ruthless in this matter when he ascends.

I'd say that AMW may already be learning the wisdom of treating others well on the way up to the top -- even when one is born at the top. His surely long-suffering employees must be aware they no longer work for a prince. Who'll want to genuflect now?

That, I think, is likely the real (if relatively light) cost to him -- all those vanities, set irretrievably ablaze.

 

[otto]

Just a straightforward shooting weekend................

'Sex drugs' at party Andrew held for Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell

Drugs to enhance sexual experiences were found at Sandringham after Andrew partied with paedophile Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, a book has claimed.

www.dailymail.co.uk

"Drugs to enhance sexual experiences were found at Sandringham after Andrew hosted a party for paedophile Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, according to a new book.

Bathrooms at the Royal property were littered with condoms, lubricants and drugs called poppers after the event which Andrew later dismissed as 'a straightforward shooting weekend'.

The party, thrown to mark Ghislaine Maxwell's 39th birthday in 2000, featured in disgraced Andrew's 2019 Newsnight interview with Emily Maitlis."

If telling stories in books made those stories true ... what a place the world would be! A tabloid story about a story in a book ... entertaining, at best.

 

[tedtink]

If telling stories in books made those stories true ... what a place the world would be! A tabloid story about a story in a book ... entertaining, at best.

Perhaps Mr Windsor will sue if the story isn't true.

 

[JDG]

If telling stories in books made those stories true ... what a place the world would be! A tabloid story about a story in a book ... entertaining, at best.

This is why we need facts, not fairy tales.

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[JDG]

Just a straightforward shooting weekend................

'Sex drugs' at party Andrew held for Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell

Drugs to enhance sexual experiences were found at Sandringham after Andrew partied with paedophile Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, a book has claimed.

www.dailymail.co.uk

"Drugs to enhance sexual experiences were found at Sandringham after Andrew hosted a party for paedophile Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, according to a new book.

Bathrooms at the Royal property were littered with condoms, lubricants and drugs called poppers after the event which Andrew later dismissed as 'a straightforward shooting weekend'.

The party, thrown to mark Ghislaine Maxwell's 39th birthday in 2000, featured in disgraced Andrew's 2019 Newsnight interview with Emily Maitlis."

Oooohhh, a wild s*x party on private property.

Who has ever done that before or since??

Thousands and thousands of people that’s who.

If the people involved consent & are of age, it’s no one’s business. At. All.

 

[JDG]

There will be completely innocent people mentioned in the Epstein files, I think it's prudent to go after those who have accusations against them first. Hopefully a subpoena will be arriving on Dershowitz's doorstep soon.

BBM. VG would have been a 17 year old sex trafficking victim 'involved' with a 41 year old prince, visiting a foreign country with a middle aged couple who aren't her parents or guardians. Does this sound like consensual 'involvement' to you? Really?

Are you taking into consideration positions of power, inducements, age and maturity of the respective 'involvers' with regards to consent?

And that's not even touching on the New York or USVI allegations which are corroborated by witnesses and flight records. Where sex trafficking laws had been enacted, and at 17 VG would be regarded as a minor under those laws.

Not sure about your questions. What exactly are you asking?

If it’s about a 17 yr old being intimate, in the UK age of consent is 17.

So it’s not a crime if she agreed.

As for being trafficked, perhaps he was unaware that she was being trafficked esp. if she was more than happy to oblige. With photos no less.

Whatever happened in NY or USVI, does not affect what happened in the UK.

One is only bound by the laws of the country in which it happened.

His age is irrelevant, he could have been 40, 50 or 60.

 

[Legally Bland]

Not sure about your questions. What exactly are you asking?

If it’s about a 17 yr old being intimate, in the UK age of consent is 17.

So it’s not a crime if she agreed.

As for being trafficked, perhaps he was unaware that she was being trafficked esp. if she was more than happy to oblige. With photos no less.

Whatever happened in NY or USVI, does not affect what happened in the UK.

One is only bound by the laws of the country in which it happened.

His age is irrelevant, he could have been 40, 50 or 60.

Of course his age is relevant and so is hers (I can post the UK legal definition of consent again if you need me to). I don't believe she was in a position to consent given the circumstances.

 

[JDG]

Sure.
Andrew, on the other hand, parts with millions to someone he claimed to have no recollection of ever meeting.

Umm, I believe it was Queen Elizabeth who paid the money.

Perhaps it was to get the blackmail to stop?

 

[tedtink]

Oooohhh, a wild s*x party on private property.

Who has ever done that before or since??

Thousands and thousands of people that’s who.

If the people involved consent & are of age, it’s no one’s business. At. All.

The institution of the monarchy and its existence depends heavily on public consent and approval, so yes, imo it is in the public interest.

 

[tedtink]

Umm, I believe it was Queen Elizabeth who paid the money.

Perhaps it was to get the blackmail to stop?

Blackmail, really?
He had the chance to defend himself in court, he chose not to.
Yes, the story of QE2 paying was also in the DM.

 

[Warwick7]

Not sure about your questions. What exactly are you asking?

If it’s about a 17 yr old being intimate, in the UK age of consent is 17.

So it’s not a crime if she agreed.

As for being trafficked, perhaps he was unaware that she was being trafficked esp. if she was more than happy to oblige. With photos no less.

Whatever happened in NY or USVI, does not affect what happened in the UK.

One is only bound by the laws of the country in which it happened.

His age is irrelevant, he could have been 40, 50 or 60.

BBM
I have not read her book, nor the legal documents of any man she has went after and sued.

That said, M00 would be, not what was the legal age, but what were/are her feelings? Had she agreed or had she agreed under coercion? The answer lies with her feelings.
M00

 

[tedtink]

BBM
I have not read her book, nor the legal documents of any man she has went after and sued.

That said, M00 would be, not what was the legal age, but what were/are her feelings? Had she agreed or had she agreed under coercion? The answer lies with her feelings.
M00

I haven't read her book either, but I do know victims 'feelings' can be distorted by abusers using emotional abuse and psychological manipulation, leading many sex trafficking victims to believe their participation is voluntary.
Coming to a realisation and accepting one’s identity as a trafficking survivor is a gradual process. I doubt VG had that realisation at 17.

JMO

 

[otto]

Blackmail, really?
He had the chance to defend himself in court, he chose not to.
Yes, the story of QE2 paying was also in the DM.

Giuffre filed complaints against several people connected to Epstein. Some, like Andrew, gave her money to settle the issue. In at least one instance, that has been made public, Giuffre falsely accused a prominent US attorney of abusing her. She also admitted to changing key details, including her age, in her testimony.

"She also filed, and in at least some cases settled, lawsuits against Epstein and others connected to him. In one case, she dropped her claims against a prominent U.S. attorney, saying she might have erred in identifying him as one of the men to whom Epstein supplied her."

Virginia Giuffre, plaintiff in Epstein and Prince Andrew sex trafficking case, dies at 41

The American-born Giuffre, who lived in Australia for years, became an advocate for sex trafficking survivors after emerging as a central figure in Epstein's prolonged downfall.

www.pbs.org

 

[otto]

I haven't read her book either, but I do know victims 'feelings' can be distorted by abusers using emotional abuse and psychological manipulation, leading many sex trafficking victims to believe their participation is voluntary.
Coming to a realisation and accepting one’s identity as a trafficking survivor is a gradual process. I doubt VG had that realisation at 17.

JMO

Giuffre was abused by men since grade-school. She ran away from home and lived on the street. She may have been street smart at a fairly young age.

"Giuffre, born Virginia Roberts, told interviewers that her childhood was shattered when she was sexually abused as a grade-schooler by a man her family knew. She later ran away from home and endured more abuse, she said."

Virginia Giuffre, plaintiff in Epstein and Prince Andrew sex trafficking case, dies at 41

The American-born Giuffre, who lived in Australia for years, became an advocate for sex trafficking survivors after emerging as a central figure in Epstein's prolonged downfall.

www.pbs.org

 

[Snoopster]

I feel uncomfortable with some people posting here defending Prince Charles. Do I think the British press can be over the top? Yes. Do I think other Epstein victims should be named and investigated, no matter who they are? Yes.

I found this video to be interesting. It's with Amy Wallace (Virginia's ghostwriter). Amy says that Virginia didn't feel responsible to release a list of names as she gave those names to authorities. Every time she was asked to name names in public, she was revictimized. The authorities are the ones who should be pursuing the investigation to determine who was involved. Of course we know that politics will likely crimp that investigation....particularly in the USA.