UK - Prince Andrew accused of underage sexual relationship, 1999 - 2002

[MajorHoople]

Epstein's 2009 Settlement with Accuser Released

posted Jan 4, 2022 by Court TV

 

[Dotta]

Prince Andrew's hopes of having case thrown out hang by a thread | Daily Mail Online

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I agree VG and other girls know names.
Their fear overtakes them, IMO

Heck, I have 3 best friends from jr high, who later in life (after we had kids) told me about SA and rape from either family member, family relative or family friend.
This was years later, after it happened.
They were too afraid to tell anyone.
And these rapists /family/friends are NOT rich, famous or powerful.
Just everyday people.
So, if they were afraid to tell anyone in our small little community, imagine, trying to tell people that someone rich and famous did something horrific like this to you.
While it never happened to me, I GET IT !!!
I understand the fear of telling anyone as I saw the fear in my friend's eyes and the self loathing.
JMO

I do know what you mean, but VG has busted it right open with Andrew, so why just him?
#stillconfused

 

[Dotta]

I do know what you mean, but VG has busted it right open with Andrew, so why just him?
#stillconfused

Because as a foreign Royal he is the most spectacular.
He causes the whole world to watch this case closely.
MOO.

 

[Kristin Esq.]

I do know what you mean, but VG has busted it right open with Andrew, so why just him?
#stillconfused

It could also be the lack of evidence against the others. A lot of times the decision to brings a case leans on whether or not they can be successful.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Because as a foreign Royal he is the most spectacular.
He causes the whole world to watch this case closely.
MOO.

But but but.. wasn’t Epstein also pals with the likes of Trump and Clinton? And presumably a fair few Hollywood stars? I doubt even Andrew is the most famous / globally recognisable of the Lolita Express passengers. He’s not (or wasn’t) one of the most recognisable royals, certainly has never been the most popular. I’m trying to get my head round why the tabloids are treating him like he was baddie number 3 in this sordid tale.

 

[Dotta]

It could also be the lack of evidence against the others. A lot of times the decision to brings a case leans on whether or not they can be successful.

Or silence surrounding other cases.

 

[Dotta]

But but but.. wasn’t Epstein also pals with the likes of Trump and Clinton? And presumably a fair few Hollywood stars? I doubt even Andrew is the most famous / globally recognisable of the Lolita Express passengers. He’s not (or wasn’t) one of the most recognisable royals, certainly has never been the most popular. I’m trying to get my head round why the tabloids are treating him like he was baddie number 3 in this sordid tale.

American presidents are too clever to be trapped

 

[CoverMeCagney]

It could also be the lack of evidence against the others. A lot of times the decision to brings a case leans on whether or not they can be successful.

What physical evidence is there though? Isn’t it his word against hers? Sure, there’s a photo, but famous people have their photos taken with all sorts of randoms and can’t be expected to remember them all over decades. I’m half expecting her to produce a semen stained dress or something, a la Monica, but as far as I can tell, nada, just her saying it definitely happened and him saying it definitely didn’t.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m in no way trying to defend the sleazy swine, it just seems the focus is entirely on him.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

American presidents are too clever to be trapped

Really? Haha. I think the history books would disagree! I mean, Andrew’s not the brightest… but…

 

[sds71]

some of the victims could have settlements or nda's that we don't know about

if the crimes happened in Florida (except for several people) we don't know who is protected under epstein's npa

 

[Dotta]

Really? Haha. I think the history books would disagree! I mean, Andrew’s not the brightest… but…

But...
There are not lawsuits against them, are there?

 

[Dotta]

some of the victims could have settlements or nda's that we don't know about

if the crimes happened in Florida (except for several people) we don't know who is protected under epstein's npa

Exactly.
These things are settled in silence.
One wonders who PA's counsellors are to let this "case" explode in such a spectacular manner

Not that I complain haha

 

[Kristin Esq.]

What physical evidence is there though? Isn’t it his word against hers? Sure, there’s a photo, but famous people have their photos taken with all sorts of randoms and can’t be expected to remember them all over decades. I’m half expecting her to produce a semen stained dress or something, a la Monica, but as far as I can tell, nada, just her saying it definitely happened and him saying it definitely didn’t.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m in no way trying to defend the sleazy swine, it just seems the focus is entirely on him.

That's just it - we don't know what she has. Discovery isn't released to the public. So unless this goes to trial, we may never know.

 

[Dotta]

That's just it - we don't know what she has. Discovery isn't released to the public. So unless this goes to trial, we may never know.

I seem to remember there are emails between PA and GM concerning VR/G.
Plus a photo
Oh, and witnesses at the club.

And these are only what the public knows.
MOO

 

[Kristin Esq.]

I seem to remember there are emails between PA and GM concerning VR/G.
Plus a photo
Oh, and witnesses at the club.

Right, there are some things that we know about. But there is more than likely information/evidence that we don't know about.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I found this article, and haven’t heard of most of the men said to be involved. This quote from Donald Trump stood out:

“I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,” Trump told New York Magazine in 2002. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”

Jeffrey Epstein: Who's Who in Underage Sex Trafficking Case

Euuwwwww

 

[Dotta]

Right, there are some things that we know about. But there is more than likely information/evidence that we don't know about.

Absolutely!!!

 

[UK Girl]

I agree VG and other girls know names.
Their fear overtakes them, IMO

Heck, I have 3 best friends from jr high, who later in life (after we had kids) told me about SA and rape from either family member, family relative or family friend.
This was years later, after it happened.
They were too afraid to tell anyone.
And these rapists /family/friends are NOT rich, famous or powerful.
Just everyday people.
So, if they were afraid to tell anyone in our small little community, imagine, trying to tell people that someone rich and famous did something horrific like this to you.
While it never happened to me, I GET IT !!!
I understand the fear of telling anyone as I saw the fear in my friend's eyes and the self loathing.
JMO

What physical evidence is there though? Isn’t it his word against hers? Sure, there’s a photo, but famous people have their photos taken with all sorts of randoms and can’t be expected to remember them all over decades. I’m half expecting her to produce a semen stained dress or something, a la Monica, but as far as I can tell, nada, just her saying it definitely happened and him saying it definitely didn’t.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m in no way trying to defend the sleazy swine, it just seems the focus is entirely on him.

I seem to remember there are emails between PA and GM concerning VR/G.
Plus a photo
Oh, and witnesses at the club.

And these are only what the public knows.
Im sure JE and GM have other evidence.
Because what was the purpose of bringing the girl to London?

there was an email from Andrew to Maxwell asking for info on VG after she made claims about him

 

[UK Girl]

Exactly.
These things are settled in silence.
One wonders who PA's counsellors are to let this "case" explode in such a spectacular manner

Not that I complain haha

whats the use of advisors if he wont listen to them? which is reportedly the case here