UK - Prince Andrew accused of underage sexual relationship, 1999 - 2002

[investikater]

Key witness at Ghislaine Maxwell's trial waives her anonymity and makes a sensational new claim | Daily Mail Online

Carolyn has received no fee for this article, saying: ‘I am doing this because I want all young women to know what happened to me when I was a teenager and how it has affected my life. This is my story and I want to tell it.’

Plus, it should be noted, the jury in New York believed Carolyn’s testimony wholeheartedly. Maxwell was convicted unanimously on five of the six charges against her. Four of the guilty verdicts were underpinned by allegations made by Carolyn. The most serious of them, of child sex trafficking a minor, applied to Carolyn alone, and carries a maximum 40-year jail term.

A juror this week broke cover to reveal how members had been split initially as they deliberated over some of the charges, but none of them ever doubted Carolyn.

 

[tayaway]

Settlements, agreements, lawsuits, NDAs... man, it's a lotta paperwork to deal with when you run a sex trafficking ring! Oy.

 

[investikater]

Key witness at Ghislaine Maxwell's trial waives her anonymity and makes a sensational new claim | Daily Mail Online

Excerpted from the article and Bolded By Me:

Carolyn holds Virginia responsible for delivering her into Epstein and Maxwell’s clutches in the first place. Giuffre has admitted that she actively recruited young girls for Epstein, something she says she bitterly regrets.

I have children and I know as a mother, and as a woman, there’s no way in Hell I could ever do something along the lines of what Maxwell has done.’ Curiously, however, when it comes to what allegedly happened between Virginia and Prince Andrew, she has little sympathy for her former friend. ‘I don’t think she [Virginia] deserves any compensation. I don’t think she was coerced into doing anything.’

Although she believed her friend’s account at the time, Carolyn adds: ‘I don’t think Virginia deserves anything less than what Maxwell is getting because she trafficked me into a world of spiralling downward slopes and it has taken my husband John 12 long years to get me to love myself again.’

A vulnerable child with a troubled past and chaotic homelife, Carolyn was just 13 when she met Virginia Roberts. She’d dropped out of school and moved to Florida from New York.

She remembers Virginia as ‘bubbly and friendly’. ‘She had a way of making me feel comfortable and I trusted her. We became friends and right away I thought she would have my best interests, no matter what, at heart. She knew how old I was, and she knew I came from a broken home.’

Virginia would pick Carolyn up from school and the four of them used to ‘hang out and smoke pot’. ‘I felt pretty damned good about it because everybody else had to walk home or their mum or dad came to pick them up. But I had a pretty friend, who was older, with a car. I thought I was pretty cool for being her friend.’

‘She just said whatever you do, don’t say your age. And I didn’t even ask why. I went along with it.’

‘And I looked at Virginia and she eye-motioned to me to say “don’t worry, it will be OK”.

We walked back downstairs and Maxwell asked, “how did everything go?” Virginia gave her a look to say it was a great session and that’s when Maxwell asked me for my telephone number.’ Three $100 bills were handed over as payment for her time.

 

[UK Girl]

Key witness at Ghislaine Maxwell's trial waives her anonymity and makes a sensational new claim | Daily Mail Online

Excerpted from the article and Bolded By Me:

What a friend

 

[Dotta]

Settlements, agreements, lawsuits, NDAs... man, it's a lotta paperwork to deal with when you run a sex trafficking ring! Oy.

The murkier the better for criminals!

 

[tayaway]

What a friend

There are no friends in such business. No love lost b/t GM and JE either.

 

[Forest_Wood]

Key witness at Ghislaine Maxwell's trial waives her anonymity and makes a sensational new claim | Daily Mail Online

Excerpted from the article and Bolded By Me:

I thought each of those groomed girls were offered more money to bring other girls to JE and GM? Every one of those girls was brainwashed IMO because they were vulnerable and easily influenced. Isn’t that the whole point of the grooming and predatory process when adults prey on young people? For instance, GM making it seem like such a grand, exciting surprise that VG got to meet PA. VG was groomed to believe she was special “to get” to spend time with so-called famous or influential people. How would any of them been able to make rational decisions amidst all of the abuse that was going on? I can’t even imagine how any of those girls felt they had other choices in the moment it was happening. It seemed only after VG “got away” from their grasp in Thailand that she was then able to see it for what it truly was, and then she was able to make a better choice and not go back. MOO.

 

[Dotta]

I thought each of those groomed girls were offered more money to bring other girls to JE and GM? Every one of those girls was brainwashed IMO because they were vulnerable and easy influenced. Isn’t that the whole point of the grooming and predatory process when adults prey on young people? For instance, GM making it seem like such a grand, exciting surprise that VG got to meet PA. VG was groomed to believe she was special “to get” to spend time with so-called famous or influential people. How would any of them been able to make rational decisions amidst all of the abuse that was going on? I can’t even imagine how any of those girls felt they had other choices in the moment it was happening. It seemed only after VG “got away” from their grasp in Thailand that she was then able to see it for what it truly was, and then she was able to make a better choice and not go back. MOO.

Exactly.
You summed it up beautifully.

The girls were like "children in the fog", brainwashed and taken advantage of by the monstrous couple.

 

[UK Girl]

I thought each of those groomed girls were offered more money to bring other girls to JE and GM? Every one of those girls was brainwashed IMO because they were vulnerable and easily influenced. Isn’t that the whole point of the grooming and predatory process when adults prey on young people? For instance, GM making it seem like such a grand, exciting surprise that VG got to meet PA. VG was groomed to believe she was special “to get” to spend time with so-called famous or influential people. How would any of them been able to make rational decisions amidst all of the abuse that was going on? I can’t even imagine how any of those girls felt they had other choices in the moment it was happening. It seemed only after VG “got away” from their grasp in Thailand that she was then able to see it for what it truly was, and then she was able to make a better choice and not go back. MOO.

even if you are offered more money/...why would you take your 14 year old friend there? knowing what would happen to her? Dershowitz is meant to be deposing Carolynn and VGs husband and ex bf and I imagine Andrews lawyer will be speaking to her too....I have a feeling a lot more will come out yet.

 

[UK Girl]

I have a genuine question. Carolynn knows how the set up worked...as she was amongst it all and said that VG was as bad as GM. IF VG wins her case could Carolynn then sue her? for enticing her into that world? just curious really

 

[investikater]

@UK Girl
My interpretation of this is that if C claims and accepts compensation from the JE estate, she has to sign an agreement not to sue VRG.

Excerpt from:
The Women Who Enabled Jeffrey Epstein

That case was dropped when Araoz accepted payment from the victims’ compensation fund, which has a provision saying applicants cannot sue Epstein’s employees. It’s a way to safeguard the estate, whose executors are two longtime Epstein lawyers, from future legal action and financial liability; any estate employee who was sued might then sue the estate to recoup losses. Dan Weiner, an attorney for the co-executors of Epstein’s estate, wrote in an email that the provision was meant to provide as much closure as possible. Ongoing litigation “would defeat the Program’s goal of fully and finally resolving claims against the Estate arising from Mr. Epstein’s conduct,” Weiner wrote.

But multiple victims have told me the provision has made them more reluctant to apply for restitution. “The language that this document is made up of seems to only protect a lot of the other co-conspirators, and it just seems to benefit the lawyers,” Chartouni said.

 

[UK Girl]

@UK Girl
My interpretation of this is that if C claims and accepts compensation from the JE estate, she has to sign an agreement not to sue VRG.

Excerpt from:
The Women Who Enabled Jeffrey Epstein

ah right thank you

 

[investikater]

dbm

 

[investikater]

ah right thank you

C could still TRY to sue VRG though.
I mean VRG signed one of those in 2009 covering 'any other person' in her first settlement with JE, and she's still currently suing AMW and AD.
And VRG may have also filed a claim to the victims compensation fund, and had to sign another one covering 'employees' recently.

 

[CP244]

C could still TRY to sue VRG though.
I mean VRG signed one of those in 2009 covering 'any other person' in her first settlement with JE, and she still currently suing AMW and AD.
And VRG may have also filed a claim to the victims compensation fund, and had to sign another one covering 'employees' recently.

It could go on an on. Maybe C could sue her own family for putting her in that position when she was 13. Maybe girls who were groomed after C could sue her for taking the money and not alerting them or authorities.

 

[UK Girl]

It could go on an on. Maybe C could sue her own family for putting her in that position when she was 13. Maybe girls who were groomed after C could sue her for taking the money and not alerting them or authorities.

a bit different IMO tbh

 

[Cool Cats]

Prince Andrew's lawyers could call Maxwell victim after claims that Virginia Giuffre boasted about sleeping with prince

Sat, January 8, 2022, 11:13 AM

Ghislaine Maxwell listens as witness Carolyn answers questions about her abuse.

The duke, who is being sued for rape by Ms Giuffre, may seek to depose Carolyn Andriano about fresh claims she made of being recruited aged 14 by Virginia Giuffre for abuse by Jeffry Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.

Ms Andriano, who waived her anonymity in an interview with the Daily Mail, said: “I asked her if she’d been to the palace. And she said 'I got to sleep with him'. I said 'What? You’re f****** with me' and she said 'no, I got to sleep with him'. She didn’t seem upset about it. She thought it was pretty cool.”

Sources close to the case told The Telegraph that the duke, which is till hoping the case is dismissed before it reaches trial, could seek to use her as a witness to prove Ms Giuffre was not a victim as the pressure mounts.

 

[UK Girl]

Prince Andrew's lawyers could call Maxwell victim after claims that Virginia Giuffre boasted about sleeping with prince

Sat, January 8, 2022, 11:13 AM

Ghislaine Maxwell listens as witness Carolyn answers questions about her abuse.

The duke, who is being sued for rape by Ms Giuffre, may seek to depose Carolyn Andriano about fresh claims she made of being recruited aged 14 by Virginia Giuffre for abuse by Jeffry Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.

Ms Andriano, who waived her anonymity in an interview with the Daily Mail, said: “I asked her if she’d been to the palace. And she said 'I got to sleep with him'. I said 'What? You’re f****** with me' and she said 'no, I got to sleep with him'. She didn’t seem upset about it. She thought it was pretty cool.”

to be honest it makes sense that he would want to and also Dershowitz wants to talk to her...Virginias husband and ex bf....I just worry about how much it will take out of her given that she also has to testify if theres a retrial.

Sources close to the case told The Telegraph that the duke, which is till hoping the case is dismissed before it reaches trial, could seek to use her as a witness to prove Ms Giuffre was not a victim as the pressure mounts.

 

[UK Girl]

SARAH VINE: Prince Andrew's an oaf - but his accuser has questions to answer too | Daily Mail Online

 

[JDG]

Must admit, I’m wondering why only GM is on trial for trafficking at this point.