my son has a pair of the fancy dress ones. you can get them off very easily with your hands behind your back.
GUILTY UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, 19 Feb 2015 #11
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my son has a pair of the fancy dress ones. you can get them off very easily with your hands behind your back.
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Has anyone got a definitive timeline to hand? I'm getting my facts mixed up!
Specifically the dates relating to the police and SH/NM's house. Thank you.
Specifically the dates relating to the police and SH/NM's house. Thank you.
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Of course they could. The pair in the photo of Haloween may not even be the same pair he says he used on Becky, they may have been a cheap fake toy replica type unless you have seen it reported elsewhere. He may have two pairs? He had 2 stun guns after all.
As an aside I just found a clearer quote on those other charges:
Avon and Somerset Police said the pair have also been charged with possession of a prohibited weapon and four counts of making indecent images of children.
Matthews has also been charged with sexual assault and voyeurism. The alleged sexual offences do not relate to Becky.
Presuming stun gun is in that charge.
Time will tell on this.
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If the neighbour is right, there was someone in at CML that day. Can't remember the times off hand (11-2?) but it covered the period when NM/SH were at Becky's house with AG, this is very easily verifiable by AG and SH - did NM leave at any point? And if he really didn't, who was in their house??? I'm surprised more hasn't been made of this little nugget of information (on here, and in "real" life)
This is my compilation. Hasn't got SW timings as to when she heard the argument/dragging noises cos we don't know for sure when that happened.
Timeline of events
November 20 2014
9.48pm - 9:58pm Texts
''lol but where's my lil sweat 16 ... ish. lmfao''
''Blonde schoolgirls I be tapping?! hmmmm lol
''.
December 9 2014
12.58pm text message ''F*** you bring me back two pretty schoolgirls then
... ''
12.59pm text message: ''lol yeh I'll just kidnap them from school ... ''
6.14pm text message ''Just went into Costcutter and saw a pretty petite girl. Almost knocked her out to bring home lol xoxo''
6.14pm reply text ''Don't you 'almost' me ... Now DO IT *****!! xxxxx''
Later that day ''lmfao yeah I'll just go back in time to when I saw her then time travel her to our attic lol xoxo''
January 16 2015: Stun guns are delivered to their home, 14 Cotton Mill Lane, Barton Hill, Bristol.
Wed February 18: Becky stays overnight at a friend's house after a skittles evening.
10pm AG texts Becky but gets no reply
Thurs February 19:
3.52am Becky texts LO saying I love you so much. He was asleep and didnt reply.
8.30am - Becky returns home to 18 Crown Hill, St George, Bristol. Her father, DG, is at work and her stepmother, AG, goes to a hospital appointment.
10.15am CM arrives at Beckys house to take AG to hospital
10:43am LO arrives at hospital for dental appointment
10.50am - NM and SH drive towards Becky's home. They stop at Tesco to buy batteries.
11.03am - Becky sends her last text. She is killed and her body, phone and laptop are put in the boot of NM and SHs Vauxhall Zafira parked on the driveway.
12:10pm LO leaves dentist and tries to text Becky but message was not delivered.
12.45pm - AG returns from hospital.
3pm LO leaves barbers.
5pm - Becky's boyfriend, LO, knocks at the address as text messages he sent Becky have not delivered. He speaks to SH and AG who check Beckys room but shes not there.
Between 6pm-7pm - NM and SH leave Crown Hill and drive home. They order a Chinese takeaway and a pizza.
Late Evening NM brings bag containing body and bag with duvet, clothes, shoes, laptop, phone, tablet into the house at CML (from NMs statement at 22:24 on 2/3)
Fri February 20:
12:00pm NM gets message from a friend saying he needs help. NM leaves SH with AG at Crown Hill for ~ 4 hours (from SHs statement on 28/2)
12.20pm - NM buys two bottles of drain cleaner from the Rajani superstore in Bristol.
12.51pm - NM purchases a MacAllister circular power saw, face masks, gloves and goggles from B&Q in Horfield, Bristol.
2.18pm SH texts that memory cards and PS4 stickers have arrived
3.10pm - SH texts NM: 'What time do you finish work LOL? Hugs and kisses'.
4pm NM returns to Crown Hill after helping "friend"
4pm - Becky's father reports the teenager missing to police.
5:30pm SH puts message on FB Hi, can you keep an eye out for Becky Watts and if you see her message me because she is missing.
6.25pm - Police arrive at Becky's home and speak to Mr and Mrs G, NM and SH. The couple claim they heard Becky leave the previous morning.
 
NM/SH Return to CML. SH smells bleach and NM tells her the toilet is blocked and she cannot use the bathroom (From SH statement after arrest)
8.45pm - A Chinese takeaway is ordered to Cotton Mill Lane.
9pm - A device of NM and SH searches 'Do you want to hide a body?' on YouTube.
Late Evening NM takes bag into bathroom and puts body in bath. NM pours drain cleaner down the toilet and locks the bathroom door. (from NMs statement at 22:24 on 2/3)
Sat February 21:
12:15pm CCTV shows NM/SH go to Asda in Bedminster and buy black bags, rubble sacks, rubber gloves, bleach and three rolls of cling film. They purchase £20 of electricity from a local shop.
Sun February 22: NM/SH buy black rubble sacks, tape and a sponge from a 99p store and a Wilko at the Broadmead shopping centre in Bristol city centre, then tape and cling film at Sainsbury's in Brislington.
Mon February 23: Police attempt to enter Cotton Mill Lane but no one answers the door.
4.38pm - A mobile phone belonging to SH and NM searches for 'Find Becky Watts' on Google.
4.40pm - SH rings her estranged mother, LD, and stepfather KS and arranges to visit their home in Wilton Close, Southmead, saying theyd be there about 30-40 minutes later.
5:37pm CCTV of NM/SH at McDonalds
5:40pm NM tells KS to tell anyone who asks that they (NM/SH/KS/LD) are all going out for a meal later that evening.
6pm - Detectives return to Cotton Mill Lane but NM and SH are not at home. They speak to the pair at Wilton Close.
SH agrees police can search their home the following day.
9.20pm NM phones KD
Tues February 24:
Early Hours NM/SH leave Wilton Close and were given a lift home by a friend.
In the early hours, KD and JI borrow a van from their work in Filton.
1.10am KD got a message from JP saying: "Ah ok you going to hide it for him? We could do with the money. lol. xxxx."
1.18am JP sent another which said: "Cool, that's a deposit on the house. lol."
2.19am - CCTV shows a van moving between Cotton Mill Lane and Barton Court, with light coming on by the garden shed.
2.31am - The white van is seen heading back towards JI and KDs work in Filton
9:36am NM texts AG saying "Hi, just thought I would update you, police have searched Ss house and obviously found nothing. Hope you are all managing as best as possible, I will see you tomorrow."
Wed February 25 NM/SH visit Wilton Close arriving late morning and leaving around midnight
Thurs February 26 SH Voluntary video interview 1. NM voluntary interview 1. Police seize NM/SH phones. Elimination DNA samples taken from SH/NM
Fri February 27 SH Voluntary video interview 2
Sat February 28: Blood found on doorframes outside Becky's bedroom is DNA matched to the teenager. Fingerprints in the spots match NM.
3:25pm SH and NM are arrested at Wilton Close on suspicion of kidnap.
11:30pm NM Interview with appropriate adult. Says he is a metrosexual neanderthal caveman, mentally underdeveloped, paranoid and suffers from fibromyalgia.
Sun March 1.
4.30pm NM Interview, describes visit on 19/2. Says SH went outside, he stayed downstairs, didnt see Becky, heard door slam and hasnt seen Becky since.
Mon March 2: NM asks if there is any forensic link to CML. Police say blood has been found but forensics are still ongoing.
10:24pm NM makes 1st prepared written statement. In it he confesses to killing Becky. Describes kidnap plan with kit, strangulation, body disposal. Says SH knew nothing or she would have reported him to police.
NM and SH are arrested on suspicion of murder.
Tues March 3: In the early hours, police discover Becky's remains in the shed at 9 Barton Court. KD, his brother DD, girlfriend JP and JI are arrested.
Wednesday March 4 NM makes 2nd prepared written statement. In it he reiterates SH had nothing to do with killing Becky. He says if SHs DNA is found it would be entirely innocent.
Final NM video interview. Police try to get more details of kidnap plan. NM asks for SH not to be named. Interview ends with NM solicitor saying its not going as discussed.
Timeline of events
November 20 2014
9.48pm - 9:58pm Texts
''lol but where's my lil sweat 16 ... ish. lmfao''
''Blonde schoolgirls I be tapping?! hmmmm lol
''.December 9 2014
12.58pm text message ''F*** you bring me back two pretty schoolgirls then
... ''12.59pm text message: ''lol yeh I'll just kidnap them from school ... ''
6.14pm text message ''Just went into Costcutter and saw a pretty petite girl. Almost knocked her out to bring home lol xoxo''
6.14pm reply text ''Don't you 'almost' me ... Now DO IT *****!! xxxxx''
Later that day ''lmfao yeah I'll just go back in time to when I saw her then time travel her to our attic lol xoxo''
January 16 2015: Stun guns are delivered to their home, 14 Cotton Mill Lane, Barton Hill, Bristol.
Wed February 18: Becky stays overnight at a friend's house after a skittles evening.
10pm AG texts Becky but gets no reply
Thurs February 19:
3.52am Becky texts LO saying I love you so much. He was asleep and didnt reply.
8.30am - Becky returns home to 18 Crown Hill, St George, Bristol. Her father, DG, is at work and her stepmother, AG, goes to a hospital appointment.
10.15am CM arrives at Beckys house to take AG to hospital
10:43am LO arrives at hospital for dental appointment
10.50am - NM and SH drive towards Becky's home. They stop at Tesco to buy batteries.
11.03am - Becky sends her last text. She is killed and her body, phone and laptop are put in the boot of NM and SHs Vauxhall Zafira parked on the driveway.
12:10pm LO leaves dentist and tries to text Becky but message was not delivered.
12.45pm - AG returns from hospital.
3pm LO leaves barbers.
5pm - Becky's boyfriend, LO, knocks at the address as text messages he sent Becky have not delivered. He speaks to SH and AG who check Beckys room but shes not there.
Between 6pm-7pm - NM and SH leave Crown Hill and drive home. They order a Chinese takeaway and a pizza.
Late Evening NM brings bag containing body and bag with duvet, clothes, shoes, laptop, phone, tablet into the house at CML (from NMs statement at 22:24 on 2/3)
Fri February 20:
12:00pm NM gets message from a friend saying he needs help. NM leaves SH with AG at Crown Hill for ~ 4 hours (from SHs statement on 28/2)
12.20pm - NM buys two bottles of drain cleaner from the Rajani superstore in Bristol.
12.51pm - NM purchases a MacAllister circular power saw, face masks, gloves and goggles from B&Q in Horfield, Bristol.
2.18pm SH texts that memory cards and PS4 stickers have arrived
3.10pm - SH texts NM: 'What time do you finish work LOL? Hugs and kisses'.
4pm NM returns to Crown Hill after helping "friend"
4pm - Becky's father reports the teenager missing to police.
5:30pm SH puts message on FB Hi, can you keep an eye out for Becky Watts and if you see her message me because she is missing.
6.25pm - Police arrive at Becky's home and speak to Mr and Mrs G, NM and SH. The couple claim they heard Becky leave the previous morning.
 
NM/SH Return to CML. SH smells bleach and NM tells her the toilet is blocked and she cannot use the bathroom (From SH statement after arrest)
8.45pm - A Chinese takeaway is ordered to Cotton Mill Lane.
9pm - A device of NM and SH searches 'Do you want to hide a body?' on YouTube.
Late Evening NM takes bag into bathroom and puts body in bath. NM pours drain cleaner down the toilet and locks the bathroom door. (from NMs statement at 22:24 on 2/3)
Sat February 21:
12:15pm CCTV shows NM/SH go to Asda in Bedminster and buy black bags, rubble sacks, rubber gloves, bleach and three rolls of cling film. They purchase £20 of electricity from a local shop.
Sun February 22: NM/SH buy black rubble sacks, tape and a sponge from a 99p store and a Wilko at the Broadmead shopping centre in Bristol city centre, then tape and cling film at Sainsbury's in Brislington.
Mon February 23: Police attempt to enter Cotton Mill Lane but no one answers the door.
4.38pm - A mobile phone belonging to SH and NM searches for 'Find Becky Watts' on Google.
4.40pm - SH rings her estranged mother, LD, and stepfather KS and arranges to visit their home in Wilton Close, Southmead, saying theyd be there about 30-40 minutes later.
5:37pm CCTV of NM/SH at McDonalds
5:40pm NM tells KS to tell anyone who asks that they (NM/SH/KS/LD) are all going out for a meal later that evening.
6pm - Detectives return to Cotton Mill Lane but NM and SH are not at home. They speak to the pair at Wilton Close.
SH agrees police can search their home the following day.
9.20pm NM phones KD
Tues February 24:
Early Hours NM/SH leave Wilton Close and were given a lift home by a friend.
In the early hours, KD and JI borrow a van from their work in Filton.
1.10am KD got a message from JP saying: "Ah ok you going to hide it for him? We could do with the money. lol. xxxx."
1.18am JP sent another which said: "Cool, that's a deposit on the house. lol."
2.19am - CCTV shows a van moving between Cotton Mill Lane and Barton Court, with light coming on by the garden shed.
2.31am - The white van is seen heading back towards JI and KDs work in Filton
9:36am NM texts AG saying "Hi, just thought I would update you, police have searched Ss house and obviously found nothing. Hope you are all managing as best as possible, I will see you tomorrow."
Wed February 25 NM/SH visit Wilton Close arriving late morning and leaving around midnight
Thurs February 26 SH Voluntary video interview 1. NM voluntary interview 1. Police seize NM/SH phones. Elimination DNA samples taken from SH/NM
Fri February 27 SH Voluntary video interview 2
Sat February 28: Blood found on doorframes outside Becky's bedroom is DNA matched to the teenager. Fingerprints in the spots match NM.
3:25pm SH and NM are arrested at Wilton Close on suspicion of kidnap.
11:30pm NM Interview with appropriate adult. Says he is a metrosexual neanderthal caveman, mentally underdeveloped, paranoid and suffers from fibromyalgia.
Sun March 1.
4.30pm NM Interview, describes visit on 19/2. Says SH went outside, he stayed downstairs, didnt see Becky, heard door slam and hasnt seen Becky since.
Mon March 2: NM asks if there is any forensic link to CML. Police say blood has been found but forensics are still ongoing.
10:24pm NM makes 1st prepared written statement. In it he confesses to killing Becky. Describes kidnap plan with kit, strangulation, body disposal. Says SH knew nothing or she would have reported him to police.
NM and SH are arrested on suspicion of murder.
Tues March 3: In the early hours, police discover Becky's remains in the shed at 9 Barton Court. KD, his brother DD, girlfriend JP and JI are arrested.
Wednesday March 4 NM makes 2nd prepared written statement. In it he reiterates SH had nothing to do with killing Becky. He says if SHs DNA is found it would be entirely innocent.
Final NM video interview. Police try to get more details of kidnap plan. NM asks for SH not to be named. Interview ends with NM solicitor saying its not going as discussed.
AG didn't get back until 12:45. There was time for them to get back to CML (8 mins journey by car) and return to CH before AG got there.
Reason for returning - to give their account that Becky had gone out, carry on as normal (no kidnap going on) and see if anything was reported to police IMO.
If it was logged at all it would of been at the beginning of the trial when the Court was hearing the evidence against NM & SH. But straight off the top of my head I can't recall. Strange.... annoyingly so.
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I wasn't aware of it being a rule that we had to use initials, had a quick look at TOS and didn't find it ... however I did realise I have inadvertently broken a rule by pointing out to Warwicks that I'd pm'd them though in the spirit of transparency, it was a pm about our parnell teenage parenting not related to the case.
I wonder if mods could clarify if using initials is a 'rule' or a suggestion?
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Glad we are returning back to this
Neighbour Webb est 11am - 2pm
OneDrive TL says AG returns 12.45 ( dunno how reliable)
11.03 Last text from BW
Zafira on CCTV going to CL - it says moments "just before he killed her "
12.10 Luke texts Becky, undelivered so phone off.
Max window - 1hr ? to assault or kill BW, poss leave , poss return ( Tortoise upthread has mentioned an 8 min journey time calculated, to get back to CML)
Is there CCTV footage of them leaving & returning in that time window. Surely, if they travelled the same route, cops would have scanned all. I am sure you have all discussed this before on here.
When did Path est time of death - unknown- appreciate those times are never accurate but still would help.....
https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx...2B8ADC!1477&authkey=!ADtXLjozus6A4Iw&app=Word
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/becky-watts-killer-caught-camera-6730999
Tortoise has posted Mirror account of neighbours testimony earlier.
Here is DM version - this is the row - implies they went together 11-2pm??
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ETA: Please note the row part of neighbour's account is THE NIGHT BEFORE BECKY VANISHES. It was imposs to edit it for ages due to server issues. DMail and Western Daily Press account differs
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...wo-people-working-together.html#ixzz3qC4xokKu
http://www.westerndailypress.co.uk/...hews-Hoare-s/story-27946980-detail/story.html
Read more: http://www.westerndailypress.co.uk/...tory-27946980-detail/story.html#ixzz3qCFOMBo0
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Loving the timeline Clio. Thank you!
I'm wondering about this part
10.50am - NM and SH drive towards Becky's home. They stop at Tesco to buy batteries.
11.03am - Becky sends her last text. She is killed and her body, phone and laptop are put in the boot of NM and SH’s Vauxhall Zafira parked on the driveway.
12:10pm LO leaves dentist and tries to text Becky but message was not delivered.
There was an article quoting NM as saying he was going to use beckys phone and pretend to be here. To keep up the pretence that she was OK. I wonder if there were any texts before that 11.05 one and whether it was NM sending the 11.05 text. By 12.10 when LO texts it looks NM/SH have turned her phone off anyway but we haven't heard where her phone was when switched off and I believe it's possible to tell .
ETA link http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/615611/Becky-Watts-killer-crime-case-trial-pretending-to-be-her
I'm wondering about this part
10.50am - NM and SH drive towards Becky's home. They stop at Tesco to buy batteries.
11.03am - Becky sends her last text. She is killed and her body, phone and laptop are put in the boot of NM and SH’s Vauxhall Zafira parked on the driveway.
12:10pm LO leaves dentist and tries to text Becky but message was not delivered.
There was an article quoting NM as saying he was going to use beckys phone and pretend to be here. To keep up the pretence that she was OK. I wonder if there were any texts before that 11.05 one and whether it was NM sending the 11.05 text. By 12.10 when LO texts it looks NM/SH have turned her phone off anyway but we haven't heard where her phone was when switched off and I believe it's possible to tell .
ETA link http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/615611/Becky-Watts-killer-crime-case-trial-pretending-to-be-her
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2nd part Webb neighbour :
Read more:*http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...o-people-working-together.html#ixzz3qC5k6Gg5*
Read more:*http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...o-people-working-together.html#ixzz3qC5k6Gg5*
AFAIK No specific time of death has ever been given
I read early on that Becky's friend Courtney (sorry don't know initials lol) texted her "Bae" at 11.06, Becky received it but never replied.
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@ColorPurple too
They can tell when a phone is switched off in relation to cell phone towers ( and when it moves between towers as it is transported ) but it doesn't look like this was done by the IT forensics or simply not testified in court.
I do not think it would be possible to be very specific, in the circumstances. It's not an exact science at the best of times.
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Wow so just 3 minutes after sending the last text she's not replying. The 11.03 text could well be NM or SH then, maybe Courtney texting threw him/her and decided just to switch it off.
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Ah. So it could have told exactly when they took the phone (and possibly Becky) from Becky's to their's
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Initials work for me a lot of the time, it's a timesaver, but they can be confusing when there are people involved with the same or similar initials. Also when people have a nickname, eg Rebecca/Becky: some might use RW, others BW. Then there are people who use more than one surname, eg Shauna Hoare or Phillips. So sometimes it's good to use the actual names for clarity. It can be quite hard work reading a paragraph where lots of different people are mentioned using initials only.
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