GUILTY UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, 19 Feb 2015 #14

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  • #361
Just trying to think whether SH's defence mentioned her being a loving caring mother or anything, I don't think he did ,did he?

I don't think we should read anything into that. Clearly there is a ban on reporting anything that involves or mentions the child.
This alone tells me that there is a lot that we haven't heard, but the jury and the court are aware of.

So we're really not in a position to criticise the prosecution - or the defence, come to that.
 
  • #362
BMB That does tie in with what Retribution mentioned too. Thank you for telling a little about local feeling too. Just trying to think whether SH's defence mentioned her being a loving caring mother or anything, I don't think he did ,did he?

No he didn't. . I just find really odd. The whole no mention of their family unit.. The 'unborn twins' there's nothing. At all on her fb to even say her n NM had a sweet lil family.. It just makes me think. The child was just an accessory. To cast some normality on their indeed 'un normal' life.
Maybe that phone call made to the Child care line is something to do with just that.
Just maybe there's more than meets the eye to this case. Which will only come to light after the trial.
 
  • #363
Ding dong light bulb moment!!!!

The WILL...... of course.

Why would SH be told about DG'S Will?
Would SH feel pushed out as don't forget. She WAS AG'S 'Carer' so maybe she thought SHE (as in SH) Deserved BW's share of it as SH said 'BW doesn't do much around the home'
SH had mentioned also AG was ' like a mother to her '
Getting rid of BW. Would leave xyz left in DG'S Will.
Hopefully to be given to their ever helpful SH n NM.

MOO lol



By strange coincidence I was reading back last night and came across SH's comments on the will. She did state "DG is leaving the house to NM and me" (paraphrasing here) which seemed an odd remark. If I can find what I was reading I'll post it up.
 
  • #364
Ding dong light bulb moment!!!!

The WILL...... of course.

Why would SH be told about DG'S Will?
Would SH feel pushed out as don't forget. She WAS AG'S 'Carer' so maybe she thought SHE (as in SH) Deserved BW's share of it as SH said 'BW doesn't do much around the home'
SH had mentioned also AG was ' like a mother to her '
Getting rid of BW. Would leave xyz left in DG'S Will.
Hopefully to be given to their ever helpful SH n NM.

MOO lol

I don't believe there was any talk of a will.
Perhaps in jest, as one might say "Be nice to me, or I'll leave everything to the Cats' Home" :cat:
With respect, these are not affluent people, so I doubt there would be a great deal to leave anyway.
 
  • #365
It's quite possible SH has set her FB privacy settings to exclude some photos as all I can see are profile/cover pics and shared posts, mainly. It could just be she wasn't a prolific FB'er and didn't want her child's details on there, I have a few friends like this. However, her page reminds of many a US case where some loved up drugged up "meth mom" does nothing but heap praise on her current boyfriend, who is often the one who ends up killing the precious child. Some people just should never have had children. Bella & Chance spring to immediate mind.
 
  • #366
Most people don't make their entire life, especially photos/posts about their children, public on Facebook. What non Facebook friends (as in you and me) see on anyone's Facebook is usually 5% of what their friends see.
 
  • #367
I don't think we should read anything into that. Clearly there is a ban on reporting anything that involves or mentions the child.
This alone tells me that there is a lot that we haven't heard, but the jury and the court are aware of.

So we're really not in a position to criticise the prosecution - or the defence, come to that.


It was more an observation than a criticism as it's something they'd normally throw in to build up a picture of a loving caring person, but I couldn't recall anything like that. But yes maybe there is a ban of some kind and legal reasons behind it.
 
  • #368
No he didn't. . I just find really odd. The whole no mention of their family unit.. The 'unborn twins' there's nothing. At all on her fb to even say her n NM had a sweet lil family.. It just makes me think. The child was just an accessory. To cast some normality on their indeed 'un normal' life.
Maybe that phone call made to the Child care line is something to do with just that.
Just maybe there's more than meets the eye to this case. Which will only come to light after the trial.

Yes the "children in care" call was just brushed under the carpet once mentioned so. I guess we may find out afterwards.
 
  • #369
I don't believe there was any talk of a will.
Perhaps in jest, as one might say "Be nice to me, or I'll leave everything to the Cats' Home" :cat:
With respect, these are not affluent people, so I doubt there would be a great deal to leave anyway.

I agree with you. But maybe there are some family heirlooms or ISA'S tucked away. As NM n SH have a couple between them. And they both thought that they deserved them not BW as (paraphrasing here) 'she (BW) was disrespectful to their Mom (AG)

IMO
 
  • #370
By strange coincidence I was reading back last night and came across SH's comments on the will. She did state "DG is leaving the house to NM and me" (paraphrasing here) which seemed an odd remark. If I can find what I was reading I'll post it up.

Hmmn so it wouldn't suit them for Becky to be taught a lesson, imprve her behaviour and be put back in the will then...
 
  • #371
I really don't think he's going to have lied and said there was no sexual behaviour towards Becky if there was..

I don't think that family owe anything to anyone..

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NM may or may not have said inappropriate sexual remarks to Becky while her father was around, but according to his girlfriend's mother, he made sexual comments "all the time" so it's likely that she got some fallout from that.

He had no problem making sexual remarks in front of SH's mother, so why would he be any different in DG's house. IMO, it was just one more thing that Becky had to live with.

I think this was just "normal" behavior for NM.

Note the quote below regarding NM's behaviour was after Becky was killed. I would have thought that he would have been more subdued, under the circumstances.

'He just didn't seem to have changed one tiny bit. He was very flirty with everyone, sexually oriented, very overpowering. He would make sexual comments all the time. He rubbed himself against my other daughter."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...brother-controlling-girlfriend-jury-told.html
 
  • #372
Okay. We've all mostly got views on the outcome of the case.
But could you give a MOTIVE?
 
  • #373
Agreed - in interviews etc all he could manage was trip hazards and disrespect to his mum really. It's like he could not improvise and embellish. He stuck to the script , whose script?:thinking:

Had to bring this post forward from last night - cottonweaver, it struck such a chord for me.

It's exactly how I see him - he has rehearsed to death his 'scripted' version of the killing and the dismemberment, so that he does not trip up in his sequence of events and show SH knew anything or was involved. But that's where it ends. He cannot think further than that, and that is where he harms his case and SH's case.


1. he cannot explain how he was going to pull off a kidnap of Becky without SH finding out. She would have done, no doubt about it. He didn't have a version ready when he was arrested and still hasn't come up with one in the trial. Strongly suggesting that SH was aware of and involved in what was going to go down when they went there that morning.

2. he has pain and physical difficulty hanging washing on the line, which conflicts with the idea that he subdued an active, kicking and resisting Becky without the assistance of the stun gun, restrained her, managed to keep her still while applying tape and handcuffs, carried her to the landing, and held his hand over her mouth for a long while. The only version that fits his plea of manslaughter is that Becky only resisted at the end when he was putting her in the case, which her injuries do not support and which defies common sense anyway. It all points to him having had help in the form of manpower to not only stop Becky getting away, but to overpower her, injure and kill her in the manner she died.

3.he bought a stun gun for SH's use, which conflicts with SH's account of thinking it was a torch.

4. he took the spare room (blood stained) duvet cover without it being relevant to putting Becky in the suitcase or any of his version of what happened, meaning that he did not have a case with him, or there would have been blood inside the case, and also meaning that he had no plan for hiding an alive Becky from SH to get her in the car boot - SH would have seen him carrying her out as he couldn't have known she would be outside for 15 minutes, he would expect her to return from a smoke after 5-10 minutes.

5. he dismembered the body with one hand so that he could hold the body still, but the weight and design of the saw implies he would have used two hands and with his eyes closed he would have damaged the bath and would have been unable to make the clean cuts through bone that he did - meaning the body was held in position somehow - by a helper.

6. he couldn't account for the neck wounds, or the other 40 bruises on Becky - mooting someone else did them

7. he didn't know Becky died of suffocation - thought she was strangled - mooting someone else did it

8. he doesn't back up SH's story that he was going to sort out the house when he bought cleaning materials and clingfilm and rubble bags - implying SH is lying

9. He placed body parts in the freezer - giving no account of how he stopped SH coming across them, when they had shopped for frozen foods together. revealing that there was no plan to stop her from seeing them.

10. he gave no explanation for SH to believe why their car could not be used all that week when it was left at her Mum's house or why they could not let the police in to search their house the day before the parts were moved.

11. he told SH to lie to her Mum about going for police interviews, and to say they were going for job interviews. Why would SH not think that strange - they were assisting police with finding Becky?

12. he doesn't explain how he got SH to continue to think he was out helping a friend all afternoon, after they returned home and he told her the bathroom was out of use. Neither does she explain it.

13. ETA - THE BIGGY - He admits that he is always sexually frustrated - has to watch 🤬🤬🤬🤬 all the time. he isn't helping himself at all by this admission.
 
  • #374
I don't believe there was any talk of a will.
Perhaps in jest, as one might say "Be nice to me, or I'll leave everything to the Cats' Home" :cat:
With respect, these are not affluent people, so I doubt there would be a great deal to leave anyway.

Some families really do use the will like that. Luckily mine was never one of them but I've known others where the will is used as either a carrot or a threat/blackmail. If the house was privately owned that would be worth a few thousand or would be a ready made home for somebody.
 
  • #375
Most people don't make their entire life, especially photos/posts about their children, public on Facebook. What non Facebook friends (as in you and me) see on anyone's Facebook is usually 5% of what their friends see.

It depends, some make everything public and with SH making things like jokes about oral sex with accompanying comments like "mentioning no names" public, she doesnt strike me as somebody who is too bothered about the privacy of her profile.
 
  • #376
Okay. We've all mostly got views on the outcome of the case.
But could you give a MOTIVE?

Jealousy.

I personally am not sure this was a sexual thing. I am not even totally convinced he/they intended for Becky to end up dead. I do think they saw an opportunity (half term, DG at work, AG at an appt, BW home alone) and took it. If the intention was murder they would have prepped better and not called to let AG know they were going. It crossed my mind that NM tried to rape BW (and possibly not for the first time) but whatever the intention was he took a massive risk knowing SH could walk in any second.

I've changed my mind a few times though and am happy for the jury to decide though I'll be outraged if SH walks free.
 
  • #377
Okay. We've all mostly got views on the outcome of the case.
But could you give a MOTIVE?

I'm not convinced her death was planned. I think they would have been better prepared if that had been the case. I think something got out of hand, either one or both of them made unwelcome approaches to Becky, or there was some other sort of row that escalated.
 
  • #378
Okay. We've all mostly got views on the outcome of the case.
But could you give a MOTIVE?

I believe it was sexually motivated. Everything points to that IMO.

Kidnapping Becky and stuffing her in a suitcase to "teach her a lesson" then leaving her (alive) in a wooded area is too far fetched to be true.
 
  • #379
Okay. We've all mostly got views on the outcome of the case.
But could you give a MOTIVE?

I can't decide if the motive was sexual or jealousy or both.
 
  • #380
Every so often I behaved a bit badly :blushing: had even a post deleted by the mods.

Not because the persons had antagonic opinions from mine. They were as valid as mine or any other's. Were their opinions. But what put me off the rails was the 'blind' defense of SH and the sarcasm towards all that would criticise her.

It was almost hilarious because we would say - 'Oh, SH says she didn't pee' or 'SH says she saw nothing', etc, etc and the person would say 'I too wouldn't pee', 'I too had sickeness in all the pregnancies in the moring, night and afternoon but, like SH never vomited', 'I too wouldn't see' etc, etc, etc

I recognise you all have perhaps more patience or tolerance or coolness, whatever it is when facing plonkerness but I tend to say clearly when I get my head full. Perhaps it is a cultural thing...

Know exactly what you are saying ;)
 
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