GUILTY UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, 19 Feb 2015 #14

[Wallace]

There is no outright proof that Shauna was involved at all though, no BOOM evidence that expected, no smoking gun ... what IF Shauna were innocent? When she was arrested on suspicion of kidnap she didn't even want a solicitor - you can't tell me that's the action of a guilty person? Or even a clever one! In fact a guilty or clever person would've demanded a solicitor be present.

Why should she plead guilty to anything IF she's not?

Her over confidence is what convinces me of her guilt.

She isn't scared, that isn't normal for someone that has no idea what is happening.

A normal person would ask for a solicitor. Guilty or not.

Someone that had practiced and practiced and practiced a story. Someone who had an idiot boyfriend willing to take the fall on his own. Someone who already knew he would do that, would act as she did.

Her not asking for a solicitor is what gives away her guilt.

 

[Tortoise]

I think a lot of the negative reaction to Shauna is maybe because Nathan has confessed and already entered a guilty plea to manslaughter.

I think if Nathan hadn't confessed and was pleading innocent to all charges then the focus would be on him but in this situation.

The people wanted their fight and Nathan already admitted defeat and so it fell to Shauna.

That isn't the case for me. I have judged her by what I deem to be reasonable normal human behaviour and I don't find it in her story or her demeanour during questioning. You might say we've only seen a fraction of the interviews, but she is the same in each of all the clips we've seen. Acting, and unconcerned at all, first by Becky being missing and second by the discovery that she is dead, and dead by Nathan's hands.

Another point that interests me about her interviews is that it is possible to see after a while how her mind works - how she is manipulative and why she says the things she does. It is all contrived. Her responses are not natural.

For instance the police ask her if there is anything at all that she can tell them that might help them. It isn't by chance that she hones in immediately on the night the body parts were removed to the shed - even though she is not supposed to be aware that anything suspicious happened that night. She's not helping them in any meaningful way at all (not giving names or addresses or good descriptions for instance - in fact we find out afterwards that she knew JP/KD quite well), but why does she go straight to that night - if, as far as she's concerned, all they did was give them a lift home and she went straight to bed? What was important about her telling them that? She didn't follow it up by saying 'something could have happened while I was asleep' or 'I got the feeling Nathan was up to something that night'. But the mere fact that she said something about that night shows me that she was right away saying 'I wasn't involved in the moving of the body parts because you will find out later that the body parts were moved that night - I was asleep'.

Alarm bells for me.

 

[epiphany]

I think they were in good position to do it. Note that they used to go to Becky's to do chores. At the time Becky wasn't at home they could easily have picked it from her bedroom for example. From their statements, mainly SH's they were like obssessed with Becky's life, Becky's behaviour, etc, so I believe they could enter her room just to 'discover' things about Becky. 'Becky rules the house' as NM said in a message...

They surely watched Becky like hawks and it was very easy to pick the cheque. Even if it was only to upset her and make her worried for having lost a cheque her granny had given her or to make her appear as lacking responsability.

Yes, not a stretch to imagine these two going through Mum's daily mail (whatever they could do to make life easier for her since both love & adore her soo deeply) to keep abreast of things in the family.

Becky's room looked fairly well-organized & neat as compared to other areas in and out of the home. Therefore, not a stretch in my mind either that the 2 freeloaders, barely stayed in their home house-guests, might remove Becky's clothing, wet towels, shoes or the like and "deposit" them in Mum's pathway to contribute to the Scapegoat position I believe Becky found herself in

I believe they "gaslighted" Becky

 

[Hexenb]

I think the negative reaction about SH is because of her own actions. Why on earth would people look at this situation as a fight I think it's more about justice for a beautiful 16 year old girl who lost her precious life in such a horrendous way Becky is the REAL victim in all of this. I don't care if NM is a crackpot or has fibro, I don't care if SH has had a crap life so have thousands of others it's a cruel world. Becky is not here to defend herself or tell anyone what happened If SH is truely innocent I wish her all the best and I would never ever want a innocent person to be in jail.

 

[Dion]

Ahhh yes but look at the source for all that...not exactly objective

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I knew someone would pick up on the Daily Mail source However, this was a direct quote, so I'm taking it at face value.

 

[Alyce]

Can anyone remember exactly when NM phoned AG to advise that he and SH would be calling round to Crown Hill on Thursday Feb 19 ?

Also, does anyone have the exact time that Becky arrived home on that day ? I have 3 timings of 7.30 8.30 and 10.30am

I just had a thought regarding reasons for the visit, but without those timings it wont necessarily make any sense.

Have tried googling but cant find the specifics.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Yes, not a stretch to imagine these two going through Mum's daily mail (whatever they could do to make life easier for her since both love & adore her soo deeply) to keep abreast of things in the family.

Becky's room looked fairly well-organized & neat as compared to other areas in and out of the home. Therefore, not a stretch in my mind either that the 2 freeloaders, barely stayed in their home house-guests, might remove Becky's clothing, wet towels, shoes or the like and "deposit" them in Mum's pathway to contribute to the Scapegoat position I believe Becky found herself in

I believe they "gaslighted" Becky

I agree. Also, why did NM owe Becky £100 when he had £5000 in his account? He was sabotaging her every way he could, imo. Such a petty and nasty man. Now he wants to play hero, rescuing the family from the manipulative and stroppy Becky. SH was in on this, they were a team.

 

[Clio]

Can anyone remember exactly when NM phoned AG to advise that he and SH would be calling round to Crown Hill on Thursday Feb 19 ?

Also, does anyone have the exact time that Becky arrived home on that day ? I have 3 timings of 7.30 8.30 and 10.30am

I just had a thought regarding reasons for the visit, but without those timings it wont necessarily make any sense.

Have tried googling but cant find the specifics.

I have 8:30 for Becky getting home on 19th (From my trial timeline but would need to find link). Can't help with exact time of call from NM on the 19th, don't think I recall it being reported during the trial - sorry

 

[epiphany]

I agree. Also, why did NM owe Becky £100 when he had £5000 in his account? He was sabotaging her every way he could, imo. Such a petty and nasty man. Now he wants to play hero, rescuing the family from the manipulative and stroppy Becky. SH was in on this, they were a team.

Even Mad-As-A-Hatter Nathan was smart enough to go relatively easy on Becky to the police. Not so, Miss Shauna!

As much as she is sexually attracted to females, I believe Shauna has not played very well with other females in the schoolyard in quite some time.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Can anyone remember exactly when NM phoned AG to advise that he and SH would be calling round to Crown Hill on Thursday Feb 19 ?

Also, does anyone have the exact time that Becky arrived home on that day ? I have 3 timings of 7.30 8.30 and 10.30am

I just had a thought regarding reasons for the visit, but without those timings it wont necessarily make any sense.

Have tried googling but cant find the specifics.

:: February 19:

8.30am – Becky returns home to 18 Crown Hill, St George, Bristol. Her father, Darren Galsworthy, is at work and her stepmother, Anjie Galsworthy, goes to a hospital appointment.

10.50am – Matthews and Hoare drive towards Becky's home. They stop at Tesco to buy batteries.



http://www.westerndailypress.co.uk/...tory-27984091-detail/story.html#ixzz3qphStEB8

 

[Tortoise]

What time was Anjie picked up, I thought it was either 10.15 or 10.30. So their call must be before that for her to leave a key out.

 

[mrazda71]

I agree. Also, why did NM owe Becky £100 when he had £5000 in his account? He was sabotaging her every way he could, imo. Such a petty and nasty man. Now he wants to play hero, rescuing the family from the manipulative and stroppy Becky. SH was in on this, they were a team.

Becky hadn't, I believe, loaned Nathan cash of any sum, the £100 was payment for a piece of technology that Becky had sold to Nathan.

 

[Clio]

What time was Anjie picked up, I thought it was either 10.15 or 10.30. So their call must be before that for her to leave a key out.

10:15 CM arrived at CH to collect AG to take her to hospital

 

[Insp.Dots]

I wonder if NM will ever spill the beans about what really happened? Will he hold a grudge against SH if she doesn't visit him as often as possible, this is of course, if she's found not guilty, or serves a short sentence.

Have a horrible feeling there will also be several 'stories' sold to papers post verdict!

 

[Tealgrove]

Okay. We've all mostly got views on the outcome of the case.
But could you give a MOTIVE?

Sexual!

I am going to stick my neck out and say that they planned to kidnap Becky and take her back to their home and violate her. I think they were going to keep her around for a few days and do what they planned. I think they hated her and chose her because of that hate and also because she fit his "type". I believe they would have murdered her shortly thereafter. I think we will find out that there is much more evidence that perhaps was inadmissible which led Pros to present his theory. I don't believe that the Crown would put forth the sexual motive with such conviction without hard evidence that this was the plan.

 

[Tealgrove]

Yes, I believe there was a joint kidnap (soon to be followed by murder) plan.

Yup. Me too.

 

[Hexenb]

Sexual!

I am going to stick my neck out and say that they planned to kidnap Becky and take her back to their home and violate her. I think they were going to keep her around for a few days and do what they planned. I think they hated her and chose her because of that hate and also because she fit his "type". I believe they would have murdered her shortly thereafter. I think we will find out that there is much more evidence that perhaps was inadmissible which led Pros to present his theory. I don't believe that the Crown would put forth the sexual motive with such conviction without hard evidence that this was the plan.

Inclined to agree I don't think they thought Becky would resist like she did she fought hard and they wasn't expecting her that jmo

 

[Cherwell]

No, I don't think nitpicking is enough to convict a man either but I'm guessing the police and the CPS must have thought there to be enough evidence to remand him in prison for 5 months ...

Wonder why it wasn't presented in court then. :dunno:

 

[Beesknees]

Yup. Me too.

So do I.

I am not sure about the sexual motive. I think they disliked her so much and had such hatred towards her that they didn't want her in a sexual way- Like they dispised her and thought she wasn't even good for sex with them. I think they would humiliate her, saying she deserved it all, they would make her sure she wouldn't leave their hands alive and would kill her at the end and make it appear as if she had run away. So for me it was hatred, jealousy and the wish to get rid of her from their and also the family lives.

 

[Tealgrove]

I wonder if NM will ever spill the beans about what really happened? Will he hold a grudge against SH if she doesn't visit him as often as possible, this is of course, if she's found not guilty, or serves a short sentence.

Funny you should mention that because I actually googled double jeopardy the other night wondering if SH was found not guilty of murder could she be tried again? I believe she can. The reason I googled it was because I think that NM may turn over on her after being locked away for a while. Just because!